I don't know why this is hard to grasp. The argument on page 4 is the same as the argument on page 1... Cinderella had a lukewarm album. Their change in style wasn't a bad move (and they got some critical acclaim at the time), but none of the singles caught on. So they were still stuck trying to sh...

Nothing wrong with saxophone. But it was Cinderella's image that both gaveth and took it away. Good music but the wave they rode in on was gonna crash to shore pretty quick. They looked silly and it really narrowed their reach. By 1991? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Poison were multi pl...

The difference between GnR and the Stones is that GnR was dabbling in Stonesy-sounding stuff, but Cinderella was trying to remake their whole image and sound (see also their little bro Dizzy Dean with Black Eyed Susan), and, as judged by the poor album and ticket sales, the public wasn't buying. Re...

I'd take Pete Willis over Phil in a minute. That drunk midget had some chops. .....Unless I was in a scuffle and needed back up, then it's shirtless Phill all the way. I think that drunk midget beat up Joe Elliott while in a blackout bender and that is why he got kicked out. Given Steve’s fall into...

just for kicks, name 5 or so of the better songwriters Only five? Dee Snider Joe Elliott Tom Keifer Donnie Vie Rachel Bolan :roll: You honest to god think that Jani is better than those guys? Look, I’m a fan but let’s be honest and realistic. Jani wasn’t even in the top ten best frontmen never mind...

DangerZone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:12 am

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:03 am Yeah the whole idea that the Cherry Pie Guy was a songwriting genius is one of the weirdest Sludge tropes ever.

I feel the same about Donnie vie

Donnie Vie is Mozart by comparison.

JamesHetfieldsAcneScars wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:11 am What did tubby do to piss Diamond Dave off?

Stopped playing in a band with him

I still can’t comprehend Dime is gone all these years later. I’m glad I got to see him a couple times

I would say Metallica are A List.

Axl and Slash are A list. Duff is B List with the Miracle Man

Def Leppard might be A list

Elton, Stones, McCartney are A list

Dave Grohl is A list, so are Green Day love them or hate them

Taylor Swift isn’t rock neither was Bieber

I'd take Pete Willis over Phil in a minute. That drunk midget had some chops. .....Unless I was in a scuffle and needed back up, then it's shirtless Phill all the way. I think that drunk midget beat up Joe Elliott while in a blackout bender and that is why he got kicked out. Given Steve’s fall into...

What’s wrong with the saxophone? The Stones started using sax and horn players back in the 70s. Cinderella weren't the Stones, and imitating them killed their career. Nothing wrong with saxophone. But it was Cinderella's image that both gaveth and took it away. Good music but the wave they rode in ...

Night Songs is such an amazing album. It's so ridiculous that a few years later they've a got a fuckin saxophone player on stage. That band really took a massive nosedive. What’s wrong with the saxophone? The Stones started using sax and horn players back in the 70s. Dave started using horns on his...

When looking at the roster of the RRHOF, I see names such as Clyde McPhatter, Dion, Frankie Lymon and The Teenagers, Pete Seeger, Lovin' Spoonful, The Moonglows, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics. So yes.. Megadeth absolutely belongs in the RRHOF. Word. Preach it brother Metal Heart. Throw Venom on there ...

Psychobolia.com wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:50 am Chris fooken Holmes

I was never a big fan of his band but I do agree. Chris had some shit. He was way cooler than Phil too

zz666 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:23 am This could be the first time I agree with this stupid cunt!

I got a compliment out of z. See folks, his heart isn’t completely black and dead inside.

I'm not sure. Great band. Had a run of albums that were near-godly. Pussed out in the 90's but bounced back and have been consistently pretty good since. Even their last album was good. But, and I think this factors in quite a bit, who names them as an influence? I think I've only ever seen Lamb of...

I'm surprised by all this. Dave is the godfather of thrash plain and simple. No Dave, no Metallica. Go back and listen to Kill Em All, that doesn't exist without him. At the same time RNRHOF is a really bad joke. Who cares what they think? Maybe it's better to not be in it. Clearly you haven’t list...

Night Songs is such an amazing album. It's so ridiculous that a few years later they've a got a fuckin saxophone player on stage. That band really took a massive nosedive. What’s wrong with the saxophone? The Stones started using sax and horn players back in the 70s. Cinderella weren't the Stones, ...

Name an 80s guitarist you find to be superior to Phil Collen.

I’ll start with the obvious

Pete fooken Willis

Hopefully resting in peace. One of the best songwriters of his genre. He would have been 60 today. Went way too early. He left us with songs that have stood the test of time. Far from perfect but he was a talent for sure. He was good. I was a fan but I don’t get all the Sludge love he gets. I would...

The Fox were good but Cinderella were way better.

I liked Tommy better than Dean

Hopefully resting in peace. One of the best songwriters of his genre. He would have been 60 today. Went way too early. He left us with songs that have stood the test of time. Far from perfect but he was a talent for sure. He was good. I was a fan but I don’t get all the Sludge love he gets. I would...

Full show just turned up a few weeks ago on a new-ish channel and there is enough there to keep your average Sludger occupied til the end of time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHjagyWuyW4 Haven't scrolled down yet to see if there is a Cinderella set He honestly looked like he was having a blast H...

Night Songs is such an amazing album. It's so ridiculous that a few years later they've a got a fuckin saxophone player on stage. That band really took a massive nosedive. What’s wrong with the saxophone? The Stones started using sax and horn players back in the 70s. Dave started using horns on his...

It was a good interview. I like Jason’s show The headline is misleading. Jason asked him about the yellow and black image and how much Robert had to do with it. Robert refers to himself as a maniac since he painted all of the band’s gear yellow and black, beginning with his drum kit. He mentions th...

It just got a groan from me and my friends. Seemed like a desperate way to get attention. MTV was on board with it, since it only validated their favorites at the time. They played it enough. More than it deserved. I wasn’t watching a lot of MTV at the time. The little I did watch the channel I don...

I stand corrected. I remember reading at the time it was Gold but not platinum. Either way, it sounds like it didn’t translate into domestic ticket sales. I don’t remember them getting much promotion or push compared to Always. They made three or four videos for that album MTV gave the first two vi...

It was a good interview. I like Jason’s show The headline is misleading. Jason asked him about the yellow and black image and how much Robert had to do with it. Robert refers to himself as a maniac since he painted all of the band’s gear yellow and black, beginning with his drum kit. He mentions tha...

I was watching a live 1997 Jon Bon Jovi solo show and got to think that he was trying to fit with the times but all the same Warrant, Poison, Winger, etc etc also did that, and by the end of the century, if Bon Jovi the band didn't have the new "crossover" hit with ITS MY LIFE, would they...

Had Paul put more of an effort into the set lists by including change ups to the classic 70s material instead of relying on the same old, giving some nods to S4/A2, P&G’s 78 Solo albums, The Elder and Killers albums, Eric Carr singing Beth though I know he hated the idea he did a solid job on i...