I never got the appeal of Dokken.

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I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by milk-milk-lemonade » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:46 pm

George Lynch, that's it for me.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by TenBenny » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:51 pm

You have to be enthralled by fire and/or desire.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by supertzar7078 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:54 pm

I liked Tooth and Nail pretty well, but that was about it. Too many songs about spurned love and heartache and longing for my liking.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by sliquor » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:57 pm

You ain't the only one & I've tried.
Some moments here & there but overall.....

& while we're at it, their Very Best Of from 99 sonically sounds like crap.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by pieceofme » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:03 pm

Back for the Attack is their best album. Even though some of the songs do get a bit repetitive. They had also several other good songs on their earlier albums. The Hunter, It's Not Love, In My Dreams, Breaking the Chains, Into the Fire. Just really good songs of the era. And yeah, George Lynch is a monster on those albums. Really good band imo.

Live, I heard they weren't anything special. And Don himself wasn't the strongest frontman/singer. They did well enough though. But maybe a better frontman could have moved them up a tier?
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by fretslayer » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:06 pm

milk-milk-lemonade wrote:George Lynch, that's it for me.
Same here. Love some of his playing, and even used to crank "Under Lock and Key" But as the years pass, I find them less and less appealing. Aside from a lead or riff here and there I can't even really listen to them anymore. The videos verge on unwatchable.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by Brickjaw » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:20 pm

Don was the weak link in his own band.
The band itself was great. They shoulda cut Donny loose and changed the name but whatever.
I kinda sporadically dig the first few records.
The lyrical content is horrendous.
Jaded love songs folks, nothing but jaded love songs.
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Post by supertzar7078 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:40 pm

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Seems so strange nowadays to see a whole band without any visible tattoos.
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Post by DOWN2WHISKEY » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:26 am

Dysfunctional is light years beyond anything in their catalog!
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Post by The Sacred Cowman » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:37 am

Dokken is the best band ever. They had elements of Euro metal and their melodies were unique, you could hear the oriental music influences and that's why they were so big in Japan and also popular in Korea.
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Post by Lobo » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:49 am

pieceofme wrote:Back for the Attack is their best album. Even though some of the songs do get a bit repetitive. They had also several other good songs on their earlier albums. The Hunter, It's Not Love, In My Dreams, Breaking the Chains, Into the Fire. Just really good songs of the era. And yeah, George Lynch is a monster on those albums. Really good band imo.

Live, I heard they weren't anything special. And Don himself wasn't the strongest frontman/singer. They did well enough though. But maybe a better frontman could have moved them up a tier?
Back For The Attack is one of the best guitar albums ever. Lynch had a really great tone on that album and the solos were fantastic. It really is a great sounding guitar album. So many 80's rock/metal albums had great playing but failed in the sound quality department. Not on this one. You know it's Lynch from the first note that's played. To me it cemented him as the premier guitar player of the 80's that was in a melodic band.

Lynch and the guys from Ratt led the way
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by RoyalSlack » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:03 am

Brickjaw wrote:Don was the weak link in his own band.
The band itself was great. They shoulda cut Donny loose and changed the name but whatever.
I kinda sporadically dig the first few records.
The lyrical content is horrendous.
Jaded love songs folks, nothing but jaded love songs.
You mean, like, "Jaded Heart", for example? :lol:

You pretty-much hit the nail on the head.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by nosell » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:19 am

For me the songs were never there in a time that even the D level bands had some passable material.
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Post by suckit » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:47 am

Brickjaw wrote:Don was the weak link in his own band.
The band itself was great. They shoulda cut Donny loose and changed the name but whatever.
they did, and the results were stellar:

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unfortunately, 1990 was too late.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by Olds_71_442 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:01 am

suckit wrote:
Brickjaw wrote:Don was the weak link in his own band.
The band itself was great. They shoulda cut Donny loose and changed the name but whatever.
they did, and the results were stellar:

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unfortunately, 1990 was too late.
Good album but the singer was still kinda shitty. I've seen a few live shows with Oni singing and he's not very good. I hated the album with Robert Mason but it had nothing to do with Robert's voice. The songs were shitty.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by Peter Crisp » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:12 am

I never really listened to the in the 80s. It took One Live Night and their harmonies. Still, I'm a casual fan.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by suckit » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:21 am

Olds_71_442 wrote:
suckit wrote:
Brickjaw wrote:Don was the weak link in his own band.
The band itself was great. They shoulda cut Donny loose and changed the name but whatever.
they did, and the results were stellar:

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unfortunately, 1990 was too late.
Good album but the singer was still kinda shitty. I've seen a few live shows with Oni singing and he's not very good. I hated the album with Robert Mason but it had nothing to do with Robert's voice. The songs were shitty.
I saw them on their club tour for WS and they were great. I know he and Lynch didn't get along (shocker) and i remember reading here that there were issues with him not taking care of his voice. Can't testify to how he was in later years since I also hated the 2nd album so that was it for me and the Mob.
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Re: I never got the appeal of Dokken.

Post by RaceFan3 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:26 am

As was mentioned before, Don was arguably the weak link. The band was excellent IMHO. George is great, and Jeff is a fantastic all around musician and songwriter. Mick is solid behind the kit.

They had some real good songs and Don, Jeff and Mick really did harmonize vocally extremely well.
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Post by The Stench » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:35 am

They were a very solid band in their prime. The songs were about darker subjects, rather than the whole "party" vibe that many of their contemporaries were selling. The fact that they broke up at their creative peak added to the mystique at the time as well.
Then they reunited and kinda ruined all of that. :lol:
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Post by Schenkmore » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am

Probably one of my top 5 or for sure top 10 bands. Great guitar, melodic, and great songs, especially some of the non hits. They don’t fit that LA vibe at all which is good.
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Post by SikkiNixx » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:02 am

Me either.. I gave em a fair shake and nothing at all jumped out to see.. except the bone guitar.. I thought that was cool.. I even saw them as support for a poison show in around 2003ish and I thought Ok maybe they'll win me over live but it just didn't happen..
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Post by Schenkmore » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:08 am

SikkiNixx wrote:Me either.. I gave em a fair shake and nothing at all jumped out to see.. except the bone guitar.. I thought that was cool.. I even saw them as support for a poison show in around 2003ish and I thought Ok maybe they'll win me over live but it just didn't happen..
Did Poison win you over?
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Post by TripleRex » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:10 am

To each their own I guess. While I understand the appeal of bands like Poison and Faster Pussycat, they never did anything for me.

Dokken had stellar guitar work, perfect harmony vocals, good songs, and all around great musicianship. For me, it was the whole package.
Live was a different story since George was very inconsistent in concert and Don not very charismatic. But I love those albums, then and now. For people that wanted to get wasted and listen to songs about partying, there were plenty of those bands to listen to.
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Post by Vettehead2006 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:10 am

Shitty drummer, shitty band. Too much sameness.
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Post by SikkiNixx » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:24 am

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SikkiNixx wrote:Me either.. I gave em a fair shake and nothing at all jumped out to see.. except the bone guitar.. I thought that was cool.. I even saw them as support for a poison show in around 2003ish and I thought Ok maybe they'll win me over live but it just didn't happen..
Did Poison win you over?
They know how to put on a good show. But the reason I went was to see Cinderella. That was the show at the Molson Amphitheater in Toronto... they'd wheeled out a giant white grand piano to the stage... front and center... so they're just about to hit the first chorus of Dont know what you got... when some guy in the front row threw a GIANT cup of beer and it was aimed perfectly at Toms melon.. this beer was probably the size of a jug in a bar.. it cost about $30 for one of those.. the thing I found totally awesome? Kiefer didn't miss a note.. and he was absolutely drenched haha ... we were almost as stunned as he musta been.. anyways.. I love Cinderella and always have... I just wish they picked a less gay name for the band.. Great show.. I watched poison cuz we had a limo coming back after the concert so there was nothing else to do.. they're a good live band..everyone knows most songs and i think CC is fun to watch
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Post by davis666 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:06 am

Im a huge fan of Georges other stuff, but really only a casual when it comes to Dokken. Songwriting was the issue for me.... too much of their material sounds the same.

Just Got Lucky is my favorite Dokken song because it actually has an upbeat kinda feel in the verse, completely opposite of their other well known songs.

George plays his ass off and wrote cool riffs throughout their catalogue, but I don't care about the guitar playing if I don't like the song itself.

Dokken is definitely a band that would have benefitted from the assistance of pro songwriters.
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Post by Love_Industry » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:12 am

Most of their material is kind of samey, but Under Lock & Key was up there with Night of the Crime and Future World, the best of melodic hard rock, for me for some time. One of the albums that will always take me back to the late 80s, they really nailed it with that one. Their best songs, great production, great playing.... Tooth & Nail had crap production but some really good songs, and by BFTA the songwriting started falling apart.
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Post by milk-milk-lemonade » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:19 am

DOWN2WHISKEY wrote:Dysfunctional is light years beyond anything in their catalog!
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Exceptional wig, Donny. :lol:
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Post by DemonFilth2001 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:03 am

Easily the best L.A. band. Not even close. Back for the Attack, Tooth and Nail, Under Lock and Key, and Dysfunctional are all better than anything by Crue, Ratt, Poison, Warrant, etc...Not just the musicianship, but the songs as well. 4 amazing releases.
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Post by Schenkmore » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:20 am

DemonFilth2001 wrote:Easily the best L.A. band. Not even close. Back for the Attack, Tooth and Nail, Under Lock and Key, and Dysfunctional are all better than anything by Crue, Ratt, Poison, Warrant, etc...Not just the musicianship, but the songs as well. 4 amazing releases.
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