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d2drums wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:38 am $tEvil, This is going to come across as total ass-kissery, but I'm good with it; I have been attempting to read "Kiss and Sell" the tell all Kiss book for OVER A YEAR ( I work hella early, by the time I get around to reading, I pass out pretty quick), but, that mother fucker is one of the hardest reads I have ever come across, and I am a huge Kiss fan! I actually really like the way you have approached your recollections. I have been feverishly reading the Tuff Diaries the last day or two. I thank you for your straight up, no bullshit memories. I say when it's done, you SHOULD somehow print it.... Just a thought.

suckit wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:58 pm Sir Arthur Payson is Des Child, right?

Darth Blotzer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:01 pm Terrible band, bald asshole, good read. Thanks, CEO.

StateOfShock wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:11 am Finally read the new one. As usual, great stuff.

What I really enjoyed with this one is learning about how the money stuff worked once signing with a major label. I've always heard that bands don't get rich just because they signed with a major label, but never really understood how it all played out.

My question is, back in the day, when did bands start making serious money? Was it with touring? Merch sales? Did they have to sell millions of copies of an album first?

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:50 pm

StateOfShock wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:11 am Finally read the new one. As usual, great stuff.

What I really enjoyed with this one is learning about how the money stuff worked once signing with a major label. I've always heard that bands don't get rich just because they signed with a major label, but never really understood how it all played out.

My question is, back in the day, when did bands start making serious money? Was it with touring? Merch sales? Did they have to sell millions of copies of an album first?

Note: This is my story, and the Tuff story. So, just noting, it's about our deal, what it was for, our pub. deal, how much we received, etc..

Every band, artist, or signing is different. And that can differ by huge amounts.

To my knowledge, from what I have read, Poison's original record deal with Enigma was for like $30,000.00.

By comparison, that is 1/3 of what we spent on our record.

Also, Motley Crue's first budget, or Metallica, were even less. WAY less.

With that said, NONE of those bands, or Tuff, etc.. got ANY advance in the way of "Here, take this 50 grand for the band"

As noted in my Tuff Diaries, we were alloted, $ 600.00 per guy, per month, to basically pay for our rent while in pre-production and recording sesssions.

I don't know exact numbers, but I am pretty sure that bands like Salty Dog, WildSide and even Sister Whiskey, got like 2-4x the amount of money Tuff got fr their deals.

But ultimately those bands sold far less and had less success.

Where as Tuff got way more money than Poison or Motley Crue, but clearly they went 100x further.

There are so many factors...

When a band makes money, whether it's from touring, merch, or publishing, it's a combination of all the above.

But not one particular payday, or show, or advance is always the only reason someone (a band) is broke, or rich.

The more you make, the more you spend. Percentages going in many different ways, reduces it to beans in the end.

$tEvil

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:45 pm

Darth Blotzer wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:01 pm Terrible band, bald asshole, good read. Thanks, CEO.

""""""good read. Thanks, CEO."""""

I love when you slosh my balls around in your mouth.

$tEvil

Mato wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 6:44 pm Let's be honest, it was never going to go gold. Tour support cut abruptly, record company investing some BIG dinero and not seeing any profit... But hey, keep the 'stories' coming...

Desslar wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 5:58 am
Speaking of cats, that bill from the concert you played in Arizona lists a band called Tomcats. Who was that? A local Arizona band? Don't think I've ever heard of them.

Love_Industry wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 2:30 am

Desslar wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 5:58 am
Speaking of cats, that bill from the concert you played in Arizona lists a band called Tomcats. Who was that? A local Arizona band? Don't think I've ever heard of them.

Tomcats was an AZ band with ex-Icon members Dan Wexler and Pat Dixon and Dave Henzerling who also was in King Kobra and Lizzy Borden

Desslar wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 4:50 am

Love_Industry wrote: ↑Sat May 23, 2020 2:30 am

Desslar wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 5:58 am
Speaking of cats, that bill from the concert you played in Arizona lists a band called Tomcats. Who was that? A local Arizona band? Don't think I've ever heard of them.

Tomcats was an AZ band with ex-Icon members Dan Wexler and Pat Dixon and Dave Henzerling who also was in King Kobra and Lizzy Borden

Thanks! That's amazing you know that. Not even Heavy Harmonies seems to know them.

BlackCrypt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:10 pm Are you gonna drop the rest of the episodes of the Diary before you close the Forum down $tEvil?

NearlyNormal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:01 pm

BlackCrypt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:10 pm Are you gonna drop the rest of the episodes of the Diary before you close the Forum down $tEvil?

I think he's got bigger things to worry about now, like who's couch to surf on, the next meal, bankruptcy, etc.

NearlyNormal wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:01 pm

BlackCrypt wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:10 pm Are you gonna drop the rest of the episodes of the Diary before you close the Forum down $tEvil?

I think he's got bigger things to worry about now, like who's couch to surf on, the next meal, bankruptcy, etc.

AlexVonHaig wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:10 am
https://networthroll.com/blog2/stevie-r ... net-worth/

Cereal? Over $200 million net worth

NearlyNormal wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:43 pm

AlexVonHaig wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:10 am
https://networthroll.com/blog2/stevie-r ... net-worth/

Cereal? Over $200 million net worth

You know those sites are bullshit, shit? A guy worth that much isn't driving Uber in shitty L.A traffic just for fun.