Biggest fall from grace?

[SexxAtraxxion]

Brian Wilson. He released the best album of all time (Pet Sounds) then his mental health went downhill and never recovered.

[BulletProofPoet]

Ryan Adams - his Whiskeytown and first few solo albums were great and the. It just started a quicker and quicker decline to not having any good songs.

[Lobo]

Dave Ellefson. He was in a band (Megadeth) that headlined halls and mid-size arenas. They also co-headlined summer sheds.

Now he's the butt of jokes because of an online jerk-off session with some chick 40 years younger than him.

Now he bounces between 3 or 4 bands that play small clubs no matter where they go.

[Danzig in the Dark]

I'd say Twisted Sister should towards the top of the list, they went from two massive hits to Dee Snider riding a ten speed to a minimum wage office job a few years later. They were probably not going to be much more than a two hit wonder but if they weren't so gimmicky, they probably could have a WASP sized career.

Lmao, Twisted Sister was never a big deal.

And what hits are you even talking about? We're Not Going To Take It did well on rock radio, but nothing else did. I Wanna Rock was barely top 40 on Mainstream Rock. They had their little rock radio hit, and didn't do shit before or after.

Seriously.
I like TS but they got lucky so if it was a fall from grace, it was no bigger than a hundred other bands who had their moment and disappeared.

WASP sized career?

[Velvis]

Bon Jovi. If putting asses in the seats is the criteria then I'm wrong. If making good records is the criteria then it's them. After New Jersey is all been shit. Fight me.

Thay have always had shitty music. Are there dudes that like Bon Jovi?
If Jon and Richie looked like the rest of the band, their career would have been like every other middle of the road hair band.

[Chip Z'Hoy]

Ryan Adams - his Whiskeytown and first few solo albums were great and the. It just started a quicker and quicker decline to not having any good songs.

THIS. I don't want LAGR to give me any more grief on the matter but I gotta co-sign this.

I hung in there for a while. 29 is when I was kinda like "Okay, the downward slide is starting." I can't think of one song I liked on that album.

Every album after that had one or two amazing songs and then a bunch of Grateful Dead-sounding filler.

I guess now he's just doing bad 80's rock. I haven't listened to a lot of it. I really liked "I'm Sorry and I Love You." Didn't explore much further though.

I listened to about a song each of those recent cover albums he did and it was some of the worst shit I ever heard in my life.

[Chip Z'Hoy]

I would say Van Halen is the one band that almost seemed hellbent on getting in their own way.

Ed taking, what, a decade to just drink bum wine in an empty house? One of the greatest bands of all time but after a certain point (Hagar getting canned the first time) they just could not stop fucking up.

Even when they got Roth back and it seemed like they were going to be a functional band again (after another trip to The 'Hab), they refused to make things easy on themselves. Just total fuckups until the end.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Agree. There were only 3 ppl in America who didn't want them to get back together with Roth in '96 - the bros. and their stupid manager, who was the only one who thought it was a good idea to hire The Boston Prancer as singer #3.

[SW]

GNR by a landslide. From being one of the, if not THE biggest rock band on the planet in the early 90s riding the wave of the Illusions and becoming a household name to releasing a shitty covers album, self imploding and sizzling out in a relative short time.

"""""""""""""""GNR by a landslide. """""""""""""""

You're kidding right?

Or, I guess you missed their last 5 year plus run, of massive attendance globally?

$600M alone for their NITLT tour, 2016-2019 making it Top 5 all-time... that's hardly a fall from grace.

$tEvil

What does these touring numbers have to do with the horrible output of music for last 30+ years?

[john3232]

I'd say Twisted Sister should towards the top of the list, they went from two massive hits to Dee Snider riding a ten speed to a minimum wage office job a few years later. They were probably not going to be much more than a two hit wonder but if they weren't so gimmicky, they probably could have a WASP sized career.

I read the Dee autobiography. 1st record sells 5M. They recorded their second album, had a massive stage show/tour planned and the first single “Lead of the Pack” (Dee idea) tanks. "Be Chrool to Your Scuel" is the second single but MTV bans it.

It was all downhill from there.

[inextrem]

I'd say Twisted Sister should towards the top of the list, they went from two massive hits to Dee Snider riding a ten speed to a minimum wage office job a few years later. They were probably not going to be much more than a two hit wonder but if they weren't so gimmicky, they probably could have a WASP sized career.

I read the Dee autobiography. 1st record sells 5M. They recorded their second album, had a massive stage show/tour planned and the first single “Lead of the Pack” (Dee idea) tanks. "Be Chrool to Your Scuel" is the second single but MTV bans it.

It was all downhill from there.

First album 5 million?.... "Under the Blade"?.... I guess you think "Stay Hungry" is the first album, don't you?

[john3232]

I'd say Twisted Sister should towards the top of the list, they went from two massive hits to Dee Snider riding a ten speed to a minimum wage office job a few years later. They were probably not going to be much more than a two hit wonder but if they weren't so gimmicky, they probably could have a WASP sized career.

I read the Dee autobiography. 1st record sells 5M. They recorded their second album, had a massive stage show/tour planned and the first single “Lead of the Pack” (Dee idea) tanks. "Be Chrool to Your Scuel" is the second single but MTV bans it.

It was all downhill from there.

First album 5 million?.... "Under the Blade"?.... I guess you think "Stay Hungry" is the first album, don't you?

Right. Stay Hungry.

Dee wrote about attending a baseball incognito and hearing, "We're not going to take it" blasting on a kid’s radio. The older boy alongside the kid told him to "Turn that shit off? T.W. sucks"

At which point Dee knew the band was in trouble.

[FreddyFender]

As mentioned in another thread....

JD Fortune spent six years touring the world as the frontman for INXS. Was on TV, made a top-20 album.

He cleans cars out for a living now.

[Psychobolia.com]

I read the Dee autobiography. 1st record sells 5M. They recorded their second album, had a massive stage show/tour planned and the first single “Lead of the Pack” (Dee idea) tanks. "Be Chrool to Your Scuel" is the second single but MTV bans it.

It was all downhill from there.

First album 5 million?.... "Under the Blade"?.... I guess you think "Stay Hungry" is the first album, don't you?

Right. Stay Hungry.

Dee wrote about attending a baseball incognito and hearing, "We're not going to take it" blasting on a kid’s radio. The older boy alongside the kid told him to "Turn that shit off? T.W. sucks"

At which point Dee knew the band was in trouble.

I'm almost done reading the book...

Another hint was issueing a call for extras for a video (COAP era of course) and nobody showed up...

The whole Leader of the Pack controversy actually amazes me, I really dig the song, it's the video that sucks...Not sure all the backlash was deserved just because of a crap video... It's really not much different a tune from GnR covering Since I Don't Have You on the Spag album, which I believe was the lead single as well...

[HueyRamone]

I read the Dee autobiography. 1st record sells 5M. They recorded their second album, had a massive stage show/tour planned and the first single “Lead of the Pack” (Dee idea) tanks. "Be Chrool to Your Scuel" is the second single but MTV bans it.

I could *kinda* get if a casual thought Stay hungry was the first album.

I'd be surprised if a Sludger didnt know about Under the Blade and YCSRNR

I'm shocked that a reader of the damn autobiography doesnt know that Stay hungry and COAP arent the first and second album.

[john3232]

I read the Dee autobiography. 1st record sells 5M. They recorded their second album, had a massive stage show/tour planned and the first single “Lead of the Pack” (Dee idea) tanks. "Be Chrool to Your Scuel" is the second single but MTV bans it.

I could *kinda* get if a casual thought Stay hungry was the first album.

I'd be surprised if a Sludger didnt know about Under the Blade and YCSRNR

I'm shocked that a reader of the damn autobiography doesnt know that Stay hungry and COAP arent the first and second album.

I was never a fan of T.S. but enjoyed Dee's book. I was aware Stay Hungry wasn't their first record and should have written follow up record. In any case the T.W. fall from grace was swift.

[john3232]

First album 5 million?.... "Under the Blade"?.... I guess you think "Stay Hungry" is the first album, don't you?

Right. Stay Hungry.

Dee wrote about attending a baseball incognito and hearing, "We're not going to take it" blasting on a kid’s radio. The older boy alongside the kid told him to "Turn that shit off? T.W. sucks"

At which point Dee knew the band was in trouble.

I'm almost done reading the book...

Another hint was issueing a call for extras for a video (COAP era of course) and nobody showed up...

The whole Leader of the Pack controversy actually amazes me, I really dig their video, it's the video that sucks...Not sure all the backlash was deserved just because of a crap video... It's really not much different a tune from GnR covering Since I Don't Have You on the Spag album, which I believe was the lead single as well...

One of the best parts of the book wsa Dee running into a former co-worker who enjoyed mocking Dee when calling him over the loudspeaker, “Rockstar needed over at…”

Later while enjoying the massive wave of Stay Hungry, Dee runs across the man again.

The former co-worker now a janitor(?) in a building Dee where was doing promotion or something. “Hi, it’s me, Mr. Rockstar… remember me?”

The man most certainly did and revenge was sweet for Dee.

[Love_Industry]

The whole Leader of the Pack controversy actually amazes me, I really dig the song, it's the video that sucks...Not sure all the backlash was deserved just because of a crap video... It's really not much different a tune from GnR covering Since I Don't Have You on the Spag album, which I believe was the lead single as well...

Objectively Leader is probably a good song in its genre. But as the lead-off single for a major label hair metal band in 1985 it is totally wrong. TS and their label were way out of touch with what the fans wanted then, see also Be Chrool to Your Scuel with guests like the guy from Springsteen's band, Billy Joel and that guy from Stray Cats. Maybe they saw that Mötley got a hit with an old cover (Smokin') and wanted to repeat it, but that was an exception.

TS were already on the way out when they released COAP, but sticking to the formula and releasing something like Looking Out for #1 or You Want What We Got with a video in the style of IWR and WNGTI would at least have prevented a backlash.

The Guns example is a bit different, GnR were much bigger and more established as an arena/stadium act in 1993 so they had the fanbase, and they were a much more diverse band to start with.

[itdoesntmatter]

Check out Britney Spears on Instagram and get back to me.

Check. She's so far gone that an NBA player who's yet to take a dribble is snubbing her and have his posse shoo her away.

Yes, but a 19 year-old with a $55 million NBA contract and a rumored $100 million Nike deal wouldn't be looking at a 41 year-old woman anyway. Even if her peak fame hadn't occurred before he was even born. That kid who's never taken a dribble has way more appeal to hot prime women than anyone in this group ever had.