While this isn't the latest debate on Winger Pull or Bert / Poison playing the same setlist. This guy is next level and has to be an honorary sludger.
This was common during early days of covid and remote work. This is a larger problem for some employers and some handle differently.
Working in HR, I stay silent on the issue
https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-n ... cket_saves
A Gen Xer Who Secretly Works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs and Makes $344,000 Paid Off His Mortgage and Is Saving to Send His Kids to College Debt-Free
He said he was doing only four to five hours a week of "actual work" at job No. 1, so taking on more work (and pay) felt easy.
Joseph, a 48-year-old network engineer from Texas, never set out to work three full-time remote jobs at the same time.
But last year, he earned a combined $344,000 doing just that, according to documents viewed by Insider. While the stress is starting to take a toll on him, he said the extra income had made a huge difference for his family and that he planned to keep it up as long as he could. In August, for instance, the extra income helped him pay off the remaining $129,000 on his mortgage, according to a document viewed by Insider.
In early 2020, when Joseph had one job, which paid $117,500 a year, he accepted a new remote role in the IT field with a $120,000 salary. But before he was out the door, he said a colleague convinced him to stay and try to work both jobs at once.
Joseph said he was doing only four to five hours a week of "actual work" in his position at the time, which made him think this was feasible. And if it became too much, he knew he could always quit one of the jobs.
"I hadn't really heard anyone doing this before," he told Insider. "My colleague mentioned it and I gave it a shot."
He said he started working the second job that May, which initially required 30 to 40 hours of additional work a week. Roughly six months later, his new company announced a strategic shift that Joseph feared would put his role in jeopardy. He began looking for a new opportunity.
But by the time he accepted a third job, in February 2022, a full-time IT position that paid $120,000 a year, the workflow of his second job shifted from 30 to 40 hours a week to roughly five to eight.
So he decided to try and juggle all three jobs at once.
"Job two got so easy and was still 100% remote, so I kept it while I got job three," he said, adding: "I hung in there because the pay was good and I wasn't really doing anything."
Today, Joseph said, he typically works roughly 40 hours a week across his three jobs, in addition to a few hours two to three evenings a week. He worked at the third job until September when he accepted what he called a "new job three." He started in October, earning $125,000 a year in the new role.
Every time he took a new job, he fully intended to dedicate all his time to that role and leave the others behind, Joseph said, but "it just seemed to work out that I could do both or all three."
Joseph's real name is known to Insider but has been withheld for his fear of professional repercussions. He's one of many Americans who have taken on additional work partly because of high inflation. He's also among a smaller group of white-collar workers secretly holding multiple full-time remote jobs to, in many cases, double their salaries.
But the window to pull this off may be closing, as many companies are calling remote employees back to the office and listing fewer fully remote positions. Others, particularly those in the tech industry, have laid off workers in remote roles.
And as knowledge of this phenomenon grows, some members of the overemployment community are worried they'll eventually be found out. While holding two jobs at once doesn't violate federal or state laws, it could breach some employment contracts and get people fired. It's already happened to some workers.
He worried about the morality of it, but the financial freedom was worth it
At first, Joseph said, his wife was not a fan of him working multiple jobs and thought it was morally wrong. But he persisted and said his wife was now OK with him deciding how long he would continue this lifestyle.
This is partly because this lifestyle has given him, his wife, and their two children financial freedom.
"We were able to pay off our house, the cars, and pay cash for a car for my son," he said. "I really just want to be comfortable in our financial future.
"I still live on a single paycheck. I never let myself think I have more money to spend on toys or trips. But it's nice to be able to say, 'Hey, let's go to Disney,' on a whim or buy a new dishwasher or dryer without even thinking about it."
Despite these benefits, Joseph said he felt "a little burned out," and that he's not sure how long he could continue working all three jobs. But he said a few things were keeping him going.
First, he doesn't want his children to have to deal with student-loan debt.
"I mainly do it so I can pay cash for my two kids' college education," he said. "I see how my college degree has helped me, and I want them to at least have the same opportunities I did."
Additionally, he wants to preserve the extra job security he's built.
"With the current economic climate and possible recession coming, I wouldn't be surprised if I was laid off from at least two of them," he said.
At the second job, where he saw his workload reduced after the company's acquisition, he said he expected to be laid off sometime over the next year.
How to juggle meetings and obligations for 3 jobs
While Joseph worries from time to time about getting caught, he said, he thinks IT is one of the easier fields to be overemployed in.
"In the IT world, we never really work a full 40 hours a week," he said.
If he does ever get caught, he said, he's confident he'll be able to land on his feet and find other work. But he works hard to ensure this doesn't happen — and pointed to a few ways he avoids suspicion.
On his first job's digital work calendar, for instance, he adds any meetings or obligations he has for the other two jobs, labeling them as "private" so no one can see what they pertain to. This helps him avoid double-booking and prevents him from being bothered during these periods.
"If you keep your Outlook calendar up to date, you should never have a conflict," he said. "But occasionally I do. I just have multiple headsets on with multiple meetings, and, of course, the camera is always off."
Additionally, he said, he has one good friend at each of his first two jobs whom he's told about his overemployment lifestyle.
"They are fine with it, and I trust them not to tell anyone else," he said. "I really just needed someone on the inside to understand there might be a meeting I miss here or there."
Joseph said he rarely felt bad about keeping the other jobs a secret from his employers. If someone on his team was ever laid off — presumably from their only job — he said he would struggle with some feelings of guilt.
"I am salary-based, so it doesn't really matter if I work 15 hours a week or 40 hours a week," he said. "If I do the job that they hire me for, then I have earned my pay."
Moving forward, Joseph said that he may quit the first two jobs to focus on the third, his "real passion." It challenges him more, is more in his area of expertise, and offers the potential for more career growth than his other two roles, he said.
Despite the stress of juggling the three jobs, he said he's not in a rush to give them up.
"Occasionally I wonder what I would do if I only had one job," he said. "What would I do with all the time on my hands?"
Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
Moderator: Metal Sludge
-
- Signed to a Major Label Multi-Album Deal
- Posts: 16589
- Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:51 am
- Location: Detroit Rock City
Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin - Modern Philosopher
George Carlin - Modern Philosopher
- BulletProofPoet
- Playing Decent Clubs in a Bus
- Posts: 1354
- Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:13 am
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
Had someone at work that had two jobs and got caught. He is no longer with us. Assuming he still has the other job.
-
- Signed to a Major Label Multi-Album Deal
- Posts: 16589
- Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:51 am
- Location: Detroit Rock City
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
How did he get caught ?BulletProofPoet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:46 pm Had someone at work that had two jobs and got caught. He is no longer with us. Assuming he still has the other job.
If you do this you have to stay quiet on LinkedIn and other socials for sure that tie back to work.
I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin - Modern Philosopher
George Carlin - Modern Philosopher
-
- Headlining Clubs
- Posts: 2804
- Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:58 pm
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
Why in the holy fuck would he record his meetings with the other jobs in the outlook calender of the first job? Labeling them private means nothing. Any system admin can override this.
Why not just keep your own private calender with all meetings?
Also, telling any colleague about this seems inane to me.
Other than that, all power to him!
Thinking I should do this as well!
Why not just keep your own private calender with all meetings?
Also, telling any colleague about this seems inane to me.
Other than that, all power to him!
Thinking I should do this as well!
- sicktwistedfreak
- Opening for Slaughter
- Posts: 476
- Joined: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:20 am
- Location: Houston, TX
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
I knew of a guy doing this not that long ago. When his employer caught wind, he found out the other two company names and contacted them. All three fired him on the same day, right after he bought a $600,000 house.gtrjay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:48 pm While this isn't the latest debate on Winger Pull or Bert / Poison playing the same setlist. This guy is next level and has to be an honorary sludger.
This was common during early days of covid and remote work. This is a larger problem for some employers and some handle differently.
Working in HR, I stay silent on the issue
https://www.entrepreneur.com/business-n ... cket_saves
A Gen Xer Who Secretly Works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs and Makes $344,000 Paid Off His Mortgage and Is Saving to Send His Kids to College Debt-Free
He said he was doing only four to five hours a week of "actual work" at job No. 1, so taking on more work (and pay) felt easy.
Joseph, a 48-year-old network engineer from Texas, never set out to work three full-time remote jobs at the same time.
But last year, he earned a combined $344,000 doing just that, according to documents viewed by Insider. While the stress is starting to take a toll on him, he said the extra income had made a huge difference for his family and that he planned to keep it up as long as he could. In August, for instance, the extra income helped him pay off the remaining $129,000 on his mortgage, according to a document viewed by Insider.
In early 2020, when Joseph had one job, which paid $117,500 a year, he accepted a new remote role in the IT field with a $120,000 salary. But before he was out the door, he said a colleague convinced him to stay and try to work both jobs at once.
Joseph said he was doing only four to five hours a week of "actual work" in his position at the time, which made him think this was feasible. And if it became too much, he knew he could always quit one of the jobs.
"I hadn't really heard anyone doing this before," he told Insider. "My colleague mentioned it and I gave it a shot."
He said he started working the second job that May, which initially required 30 to 40 hours of additional work a week. Roughly six months later, his new company announced a strategic shift that Joseph feared would put his role in jeopardy. He began looking for a new opportunity.
But by the time he accepted a third job, in February 2022, a full-time IT position that paid $120,000 a year, the workflow of his second job shifted from 30 to 40 hours a week to roughly five to eight.
So he decided to try and juggle all three jobs at once.
"Job two got so easy and was still 100% remote, so I kept it while I got job three," he said, adding: "I hung in there because the pay was good and I wasn't really doing anything."
Today, Joseph said, he typically works roughly 40 hours a week across his three jobs, in addition to a few hours two to three evenings a week. He worked at the third job until September when he accepted what he called a "new job three." He started in October, earning $125,000 a year in the new role.
Every time he took a new job, he fully intended to dedicate all his time to that role and leave the others behind, Joseph said, but "it just seemed to work out that I could do both or all three."
Joseph's real name is known to Insider but has been withheld for his fear of professional repercussions. He's one of many Americans who have taken on additional work partly because of high inflation. He's also among a smaller group of white-collar workers secretly holding multiple full-time remote jobs to, in many cases, double their salaries.
But the window to pull this off may be closing, as many companies are calling remote employees back to the office and listing fewer fully remote positions. Others, particularly those in the tech industry, have laid off workers in remote roles.
And as knowledge of this phenomenon grows, some members of the overemployment community are worried they'll eventually be found out. While holding two jobs at once doesn't violate federal or state laws, it could breach some employment contracts and get people fired. It's already happened to some workers.
He worried about the morality of it, but the financial freedom was worth it
At first, Joseph said, his wife was not a fan of him working multiple jobs and thought it was morally wrong. But he persisted and said his wife was now OK with him deciding how long he would continue this lifestyle.
This is partly because this lifestyle has given him, his wife, and their two children financial freedom.
"We were able to pay off our house, the cars, and pay cash for a car for my son," he said. "I really just want to be comfortable in our financial future.
"I still live on a single paycheck. I never let myself think I have more money to spend on toys or trips. But it's nice to be able to say, 'Hey, let's go to Disney,' on a whim or buy a new dishwasher or dryer without even thinking about it."
Despite these benefits, Joseph said he felt "a little burned out," and that he's not sure how long he could continue working all three jobs. But he said a few things were keeping him going.
First, he doesn't want his children to have to deal with student-loan debt.
"I mainly do it so I can pay cash for my two kids' college education," he said. "I see how my college degree has helped me, and I want them to at least have the same opportunities I did."
Additionally, he wants to preserve the extra job security he's built.
"With the current economic climate and possible recession coming, I wouldn't be surprised if I was laid off from at least two of them," he said.
At the second job, where he saw his workload reduced after the company's acquisition, he said he expected to be laid off sometime over the next year.
How to juggle meetings and obligations for 3 jobs
While Joseph worries from time to time about getting caught, he said, he thinks IT is one of the easier fields to be overemployed in.
"In the IT world, we never really work a full 40 hours a week," he said.
If he does ever get caught, he said, he's confident he'll be able to land on his feet and find other work. But he works hard to ensure this doesn't happen — and pointed to a few ways he avoids suspicion.
On his first job's digital work calendar, for instance, he adds any meetings or obligations he has for the other two jobs, labeling them as "private" so no one can see what they pertain to. This helps him avoid double-booking and prevents him from being bothered during these periods.
"If you keep your Outlook calendar up to date, you should never have a conflict," he said. "But occasionally I do. I just have multiple headsets on with multiple meetings, and, of course, the camera is always off."
Additionally, he said, he has one good friend at each of his first two jobs whom he's told about his overemployment lifestyle.
"They are fine with it, and I trust them not to tell anyone else," he said. "I really just needed someone on the inside to understand there might be a meeting I miss here or there."
Joseph said he rarely felt bad about keeping the other jobs a secret from his employers. If someone on his team was ever laid off — presumably from their only job — he said he would struggle with some feelings of guilt.
"I am salary-based, so it doesn't really matter if I work 15 hours a week or 40 hours a week," he said. "If I do the job that they hire me for, then I have earned my pay."
Moving forward, Joseph said that he may quit the first two jobs to focus on the third, his "real passion." It challenges him more, is more in his area of expertise, and offers the potential for more career growth than his other two roles, he said.
Despite the stress of juggling the three jobs, he said he's not in a rush to give them up.
"Occasionally I wonder what I would do if I only had one job," he said. "What would I do with all the time on my hands?"
I'm in IT and that is a rampant problem in IT since the beginning of working from home. So much so that employers are now putting in contracts stating that you will be terminated if you work additional jobs.
Whether it's his outer glaze or cream-filled insides, King Ding Dong gets his subjects filthy!
-
- Headlining Clubs
- Posts: 2804
- Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:58 pm
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
Yeah, it's in my contract as well....sicktwistedfreak wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:50 amI knew of a guy doing this not that long ago. When his employer caught wind, he found out the other two company names and contacted them. All three fired him on the same day, right after he bought a $600,000 house.gtrjay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:48 pm While this isn't the latest debate on Winger Pull or Bert / Poison playing the same setlist. This guy is next level and has to be an honorary sludger.
This was common during early days of covid and remote work. This is a larger problem for some employers and some handle differently.
Working in HR, I stay silent on the issue
I'm in IT and that is a rampant problem in IT since the beginning of working from home. So much so that employers are now putting in contracts stating that you will be terminated if you work additional jobs.
-
- Signed to a Major Label Multi-Album Deal
- Posts: 22186
- Joined: Wed May 10, 2006 6:04 am
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
I felt this was super common, almost the norm.
The golden parachutes company can’t have little Billy worker bee making the same kinda dough they do up in the boardrooms.
The golden parachutes company can’t have little Billy worker bee making the same kinda dough they do up in the boardrooms.
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
I know it's an obvious question but what the hell kind of job (his first one) pays that much for something that can be done in under 10 hours a week? Either this guy is super-skilled (so overqualified for it anyway) or the job ad and spec were put together by someone who was beyond clueless about the actual role.
-
- Winning Local Battle of the Bands
- Posts: 506
- Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:20 am
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
"I still live on a single paycheck. I never let myself think I have more money to spend on toys or trips. But it's nice to be able to say, 'Hey, let's go to Disney,' on a whim or buy a new dishwasher or dryer without even thinking about it."
IF you are paying off all your bills, buying cars for cash and taking vacation you are not living off of one paycheck LOL
IF you are paying off all your bills, buying cars for cash and taking vacation you are not living off of one paycheck LOL
-
- Headlining Clubs
- Posts: 2804
- Joined: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:58 pm
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
My experience in IT is companies don't really have a clue what you actually do and how much time it should take....GoodJudge wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:42 am I know it's an obvious question but what the hell kind of job (his first one) pays that much for something that can be done in under 10 hours a week? Either this guy is super-skilled (so overqualified for it anyway) or the job ad and spec were put together by someone who was beyond clueless about the actual role.
- Wild Obsession
- Debut Album Goes Gold
- Posts: 4033
- Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:39 pm
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
All my IT buddies "make bank" while sitting in their home offices spending most of the day playing video games/watching tv/practicing guitar/jerking off/napping, etc......El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:47 amMy experience in IT is companies don't really have a clue what you actually do and how much time it should take....GoodJudge wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:42 am I know it's an obvious question but what the hell kind of job (his first one) pays that much for something that can be done in under 10 hours a week? Either this guy is super-skilled (so overqualified for it anyway) or the job ad and spec were put together by someone who was beyond clueless about the actual role.
And none of them can explain what exactly they do .............
I chose the wrong career.........
- BulletProofPoet
- Playing Decent Clubs in a Bus
- Posts: 1354
- Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 8:13 am
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
Not 100% sure but he worked completely remote and also had the 2nd job in another city and wasn’t responsive when reached out to.gtrjay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:54 pmHow did he get caught ?BulletProofPoet wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:46 pm Had someone at work that had two jobs and got caught. He is no longer with us. Assuming he still has the other job.
If you do this you have to stay quiet on LinkedIn and other socials for sure that tie back to work.
- FullDJacket
- MSX Tour Support Act
- Posts: 4731
- Joined: Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:52 am
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
And then the leftwingers and the rightwingers complain that we're outsourcing too much to India......and this was the reason why GM and Ford declined leading up to 2008, you overpay for a shitty workforce right?
Luke 16:10 "and he that is unjust in the least, is unjust also in much"
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
In IT, there are tons of ways to make money.... And not all IT jobs are the same.... You do have some jobs where you might have 10 hours of work one week, then the next you could have 200 hours. It all evens out in the end
The smart IT pros will take contracts with other companies based on their availability. ie I'll call up an company and say I have 3 days..what do you got?
What you don't do, is take another full time job, much less 2.
The smart IT pros will take contracts with other companies based on their availability. ie I'll call up an company and say I have 3 days..what do you got?
What you don't do, is take another full time job, much less 2.
- HueyRamone
- Playing First Stage at SludgeFest
- Posts: 32442
- Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:07 pm
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
I have weeks where I have to only work around 10 hours, but I fill the remaining time with YouTube and Sludging, like a responsible employee.
Don't Damn Me wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:21 pm Dummy, are you aware that hydroxy-chloroqin and Ivermectin have since been proven effective?
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
I don't know, this guy seems pretty smart seeing how he has paid off his house and cars and is now working towards paying off his kids colleges.daveg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:07 am In IT, there are tons of ways to make money.... And not all IT jobs are the same.... You do have some jobs where you might have 10 hours of work one week, then the next you could have 200 hours. It all evens out in the end
The smart IT pros will take contracts with other companies based on their availability. ie I'll call up an company and say I have 3 days..what do you got?
What you don't do, is take another full time job, much less 2.
-
- Signed to a Major Label Multi-Album Deal
- Posts: 16589
- Joined: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:51 am
- Location: Detroit Rock City
Re: Sludge in workplace: Man secretly works 3 Full-Time Remote Jobs, earns $344K
Huey for the win!HueyRamone wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:32 am I have weeks where I have to only work around 10 hours, but I fill the remaining time with YouTube and Sludging, like a responsible employee.
I’m completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. These two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin - Modern Philosopher
George Carlin - Modern Philosopher