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What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:39 pm
by demolition23
Maybe this isn’t an accurate perception, but it seems to me that every year there’s a string of stories about American festivals that wind up being debacles.

From fly by night promoters who are either scam artists or well-meaning incompetents, to oversold and undersold shows, to horrible locations and limited planning around seasonal weather patterns, there always seems to be a string of high profile shit-shows.

By comparison, the European festival season always seems to go off pretty smoothly, barring the mud at Glastonbury.

What’s the deal?

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:47 pm
by Bono Nettencourt
Yeah, all you guys do is throw beer bottles full of piss at the talent... y'know, basic tomfoolery.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:00 pm
by demolition23
Bono Nettencourt wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:47 pm Yeah, all you guys do is throw beer bottles full of piss at the talent... y'know, basic tomfoolery.
I’m not British, or from Europe. And the throwing shit is definitely lame, but the festivals it happens at still tend to run fairly smoothly.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:27 pm
by ParaDime77
A lot of band’s feature broke or nearly broke members who are easy marks for shady promoters to take advantage of.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:17 am
by Spongie
The lion’s share of the organizers’ priority and focus is spent acquiring and advertising the biggest bands possible, to drive revenue.

A distant afterthought is the quality and safety of the actual festival experience.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:32 pm
by TheCULTofMANSON
Great question

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:34 pm
by TheCULTofMANSON
Spongie wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:17 am The lion’s share of the organizers’ priority and focus is spent acquiring and advertising the biggest bands possible, to drive revenue.

A distant afterthought is the quality and safety of the actual festival experience.

This

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:05 pm
by alexleehooker
demolition23 wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:39 pm Maybe this isn’t an accurate perception, but it seems to me that every year there’s a string of stories about American festivals that wind up being debacles.

From fly by night promoters who are either scam artists or well-meaning incompetents, to oversold and undersold shows, to horrible locations and limited planning around seasonal weather patterns, there always seems to be a string of high profile shit-shows.

By comparison, the European festival season always seems to go off pretty smoothly, barring the mud at Glastonbury.

What’s the deal?

Because the USA is still a relatively new and unregulated economy , and if you look at its history it’s been built on snake oil sales and money churches.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:07 am
by jens
All big European festivals are organised by huge promotors ala Live Nation.

Those festivals in the US that go tits up all seem to have over-ambitious individuals who are in way over their heads. No organic growth, but attempting something way too expensive without any experience nor business plan.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:21 am
by Black Stuff
Spongie wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 4:17 am The lion’s share of the organizers’ priority and focus is spent acquiring and advertising the biggest bands possible, to drive revenue.

A distant afterthought is the quality and safety of the actual festival experience.
exactly!!!

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:10 am
by Mister Freeze
Not sure what you're talking about. The U.S. has a history of successful, trouble-free music festivals, dating back to Woodstock and Altamont.

Re: What is it with festivals in the US?

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:40 am
by TheCULTofMANSON
Mister Freeze wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:10 am Not sure what you're talking about. The U.S. has a history of successful, trouble-free music festivals, dating back to Woodstock and Altamont.
Fake news. What rock are u living under