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There was a lot of common knowledge here and a so-so documentary, but it had some cool insider info I had not seen in the 39 years since the song was released. I knew it was done in one day, but I did not know they pulled an all-nighter after the American Music Awards broadcast. It was also interesting to see the insecurities of many mega-pop stars of the mid-80s. I always knew Bob Dylan was "eccentric," but to see how out of his element he was and what it took to make him feel more comfortable was cool. And despite whatever the real story is on MJ, that guy was a genius who played no instruments, composed everything in his head, and hummed his ideas.

At 97 minutes, it was too long, but it was more BTS than the video of the making of... that was released in the 80s. It also seems like they had to leave out some specific major pieces, particularly Ray Charles and James Ingram, maybe because they did not gain permission from their respective estates. Not sure.

It also made me go back and read the lyrics (which were mediocre despite how iconic the song has become over the years).

saw it, loved it.

Sheila E. was used, as a way to try and get Prince to come in. she's still not happy about it, all these years later.

I had no idea that Waylon Jennings was involved with this, briefly. as per Wikipedia, "he left the studio because of a dispute over the song's lyrics that were to be sung in Swahili." you'd think that his buddy Willie would have been able to rein him back in.

Anything else worth watch on Netflix this month?

I started a 3 season series called Loudermilk. If you're an Office Space fan, you'll like this dark comedy. Same actor, Ron Livingston plays a sobriety counselor who also is in his sobriety

alleyrulez wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:49 pm saw it, loved it.

Sheila E. was used, as a way to try and get Prince to come in. she's still not happy about it, all these years later.

I had no idea that Waylon Jennings was involved with this, briefly. as per Wikipedia, "he left the studio because of a dispute over the song's lyrics that were to be sung in Swahili." you'd think that his buddy Willie would have been able to rein him back in.

Yeah. Never knew either of those stories. I guess the MJ and Prince feelings were a real thing.

TooOldToCare wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:30 pm I started a 3 season series called Loudermilk. If you're an Office Space fan, you'll like this dark comedy. Same actor, Ron Livingston plays a sobriety counselor who also is in his sobriety

Great show. Watched all 3 seasons in a week.

DemonFilth2001 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:03 pm

TooOldToCare wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:30 pm I started a 3 season series called Loudermilk. If you're an Office Space fan, you'll like this dark comedy. Same actor, Ron Livingston plays a sobriety counselor who also is in his sobriety

Great show. Watched all 3 seasons in a week.

We've been savoring it and stretching it out since it's so good. I laugh every episode. Great writing.

Waylon Jennings said screw this.

Too much time spent on Bob Dylan, it needed more Micheal Jackson.

I’ve started watching the 3rd season of Loudermouth … but that’s about it, I think I’ve watched everything good on there.

I thought it was interesting they chose Lauper over Madonna … Jackson,Madonna, Prince and Lionel on the same song would’ve been even more epic.

Maybe it was because she couldn't sing... I'm sure that she needed a LOT of work in the studio to sound good and they didn't have that kind of time. Can see her being self-aware enough to realize that too.

A Voices That Care doc would be entertaining for me. I wanna know if it was Jani's idea to take off his John Lennon glasses and look into the camera during the video.

TooOldToCare wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:30 pm I started a 3 season series called Loudermilk. If you're an Office Space fan, you'll like this dark comedy. Same actor, Ron Livingston plays a sobriety counselor who also is in his sobriety

YES!

God, I loved this one. it will be a crime if Netflix doesn't pick it up for a fourth season.

Mister Freeze wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:11 am
2. I needed more of an explanation for why Madonna wasn't there. Some executive glossed over it, saying it was between her or Cyndi Lauper, which doesn't make sense. I know they were compared to each a lot around that time, but wouldn't you want both? I could get it if she just wasn't around. But they showed her at the AMA show the same night while Huey Lewis was next to her talking about it. So it's not like she didn't know.

https://youtu.be/S7_WsodBNUE?si=ioxOgpZ7w5KFfEzx

They simply didn't want her around.

Don't forget that Madonna was looked at as being pretty trashy when she came out. Wouldn't surprise me if a number of people involved took offense to her name and image and left her out because of that.

The two things that blew me away:

- Stevie Wonder creating an instant melody for Bob Dylan as Dylan would sing it himself. Absolutely fucking genius.

- The power and range of Cyndi Lauper’s voice in the section with Huey and Kim Carnes. She was so young and talented.

alleyrulez wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 10:29 am

TooOldToCare wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:30 pm I started a 3 season series called Loudermilk. If you're an Office Space fan, you'll like this dark comedy. Same actor, Ron Livingston plays a sobriety counselor who also is in his sobriety

YES!

God, I loved this one. it will be a crime if Netflix doesn't pick it up for a fourth season.

Just finished it last week. Loved it. But I think it’s over. Netflix passes on the good stuff but puts out garbage.


S3 was 2020, so that’s the last of Sam, Ben, and Claire. I’ve been finding some Loudermilk rabbit holes on YouTube and watched a Brian Regan stand-up last night. I'm a big Office Space and Ron Livingston fan, so checking out some of his movies. Up next, Shanghai la Suite.

My main thing with tho doco is...liiiike...okay. So you have the cream of the bullshit pop world in 1985. They START recording at 10pm, and go past dawn, right?

...and the only thing they mention is that Al Jarreau got a bit tipsy.

I meaaaaannnn...THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MOUNTAINS OF BLOW AT THAT FUCKING THING. I would imagine Quincy had a goddam salad bowl full waiting for those jagoffs when they showed up. SEVERAL of them are visibly gacked off their tits in the video, but nope, no mention ~just poor Al Jarreau who had a little too much wine.

Kind of weird how there was not even ONE hard rocker there. I mean, you can say they were going for something specific, but with Willie, Waylon and the Jazz guys, it seems that was not the case.

I would have expected at least DLR would have gotten a call.

They also don't mention Crazy Girls being across the street. I would be pretty surprised if nobody ran across the street on a break to do some big gaggers off a stripper's ass.

...maybe that's where Waylon really went.

Sleek wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:10 pm My main thing with tho doco is...liiiike...okay. So you have the cream of the bullshit pop world in 1985. They START recording at 10pm, and go past dawn, right?

...and the only thing they mention is that Al Jarreau got a bit tipsy.

I meaaaaannnn...THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MOUNTAINS OF BLOW AT THAT FUCKING THING. I would imagine Quincy had a goddam salad bowl full waiting for those jagoffs when they showed up. SEVERAL of them are visibly gacked off their tits in the video, but nope, no mention ~just poor Al Jarreau who had a little too much wine.

Kind of weird how there was not even ONE hard rocker there. I mean, you can say they were going for something specific, but with Willie, Waylon and the Jazz guys, it seems that was not the case.

I would have expected at least DLR would have gotten a call.

They also don't mention Crazy Girls being across the street. I would be pretty surprised if nobody ran across the street on a break to do some big gaggers off a stripper's ass.

...maybe that's where Waylon really went.

They said Van Halen was on tour at the time.

Technically, yeah, but it was with Sammy. Dave was just hanging around.

Sleek wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:21 pm Technically, yeah, but it was with Sammy. Dave was just hanging around.

We Are The World was recorded January 28 1985. Sam wasn’t in VH yet.

And VH weren’t on tour either, last show they did was September 1984.

Awesome documentary, wish it was even longer. The fact that they pulled it all together in one night is incredible. The one thing they didn’t mention was Ray Charles’ adlibs at the very end of the song. He didn’t seem to be there anymore when they were doing the solo lines and then the adlib parts at the end, wonder if he came back later with Quincy and they punched him in after the fact?

Edit : just rewatched the video. He’s in different clothes for his adlibs at the end and you can’t see any of the other celebs in his shots. I’d say they were recorded another day.

Show of hands - who thinks that DLR would do anything for free?

He would have 100% done it for free to be in the room with all those legends. Street cred.

Anyone else piss themselves every time they showed Dan fuckin Ackroyd? What a goofball nerd, why was he even there?

No one seems to be able to say for sure if Waylon Jennings is actually on the song or not. He was credited on the cover of the single with all the names, but then in the credits of the song on the documentary he wasn’t included.

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:40 pm

Sleek wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:21 pm Technically, yeah, but it was with Sammy. Dave was just hanging around.

We Are The World was recorded January 28 1985. Sam wasn’t in VH yet.

And VH weren’t on tour either, last show they did was September 1984.

Hm yeah. I looked on setlist and saw March gigs, but it was '86.

The single was released in March so...there was my confusion.

When is the HEAR N AID one coming out? They could totally do one, depending on how much footage they shot on the day. They wouldn’t have been working with an unlimited budget like We Are The World.

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:09 pm When is the HEAR N AID one coming out? They could totally do one.

How about a Northern Lights one for the Canucks to chronicle the making of "Tears Are Not Enough"? Were Bryan Adams, Neil Young, Geddy Lee, Joni Mitchell, and Gordon Lightfoot gacked out of their gourds, too? Or will they just claim Anne Murray had "too much wine"?

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:47 pm He would have 100% done it for free to be in the room with all those legends. Street cred.

Anyone else piss themselves every time they showed Dan fuckin Ackroyd? What a goofball nerd, why was he even there?

Reread Sleek's 1st post.

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:17 pm

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:09 pm When is the HEAR N AID one coming out? They could totally do one.

How about a Northern Lights one for the Canucks to chronicle the making of "Tears Are Not Enough"? Were Bryan Adams, Neil Young, Geddy Lee, Joni Mitchell, and Gordon Lightfoot gacked out of their gourds, too? Or will they just claim Anne Murray had "too much wine"?

Never heard that one. Was Canada's best band ever, Triumph, involved?

DemonFilth2001 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:22 pm

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:17 pm

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:09 pm When is the HEAR N AID one coming out? They could totally do one.

How about a Northern Lights one for the Canucks to chronicle the making of "Tears Are Not Enough"? Were Bryan Adams, Neil Young, Geddy Lee, Joni Mitchell, and Gordon Lightfoot gacked out of their gourds, too? Or will they just claim Anne Murray had "too much wine"?

Never heard that one. Was Canada's best band ever, Triumph, involved?

No, but Rik Emmett was asked according to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, Triumph's touring schedule said nope. Leonard Cohen got the invite too, but was busy performing in Denmark. At least we got Mike Reno from Loverboy on this one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJN3u1wAWIk

Mister Freeze wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:11 am I needed more of an explanation for why Madonna wasn't there.

Lionel was on Kimmel recently and basically said there were only so many lines for people to sing and they wanted the voice to be immediately recognizable and they thought Lauper fit that more than Madonna. Not sure if that's the real story or revisionist history. He went on to say he regrets not having her on it now.