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I am at a loss for words... as to how dumb some guys are in this business.

I don't consider myself a genius or a scholar, but for the love of Grade School... how the F#@k did some of these clowns make it this far in life?

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Off the top of my head…

Michael Sweet (never heard his music, just know he’s really fucking dumb)

Aaron Lewis

David Ellefson

Ace (163 IQ my ass, subtract 60 from that and you’re in the ballpark)

Jon Cooper (from the band Skillet, again, never heard his music, just know from rock media that he’s an incredibly stupid person)

Mick Mars tries to act way smarter than he actually is.

Don’t know their music but neither Jack Russell nor Don Dokken strike me as particularly bright.

Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Eric Clapton are people with intelligence who nevertheless choose to be some of the dumbest fucking people alive.

rik fox?

Tommy Skeoch. Ever watch his Facebook videos?

I have to say, from even being in bands through my teenage years, the brightest bulbs on the planet are not in rock/metal. In general, it's not a great area for geniuses. I know there are some outliers, but there are a lot of peeps with uneducated backgrounds - Especially for those musicians who reached stardom at a young age. It's like that with child actors and retired atheletes, as well. No one ever paid them to be smart and "know stuff".

Everyone in early WASP not named Lawless or Riley... Randy Piper, Tony Richards, Johnny Rod and Chris Holmes may have an average IQ.. if added together.

Mick "purple dinosaurs" Mars is also a grade A dumbass... and Tommy and Vince are likely not much smarter....or just very uneducated.

Everyone in Pantera seemed pretty stupid, not sure how much was due to drugs and alcohol. See also Ozzy.

Eric Carr was famously retarded.

The list of smart musicians would probably be shorter!

Even a musical genius like Michael Jackson was an idiot. I watched the We are the World special last night. The dude hums the music...doesn't play a note. He stands 6 feet away from everyone. Doesn't take his sunglasses off. Has a monkey and/or a snake with him at all times. And we know what allegedly happened later in his life.

Sebastian Bach is notoriously dumb but he's amusing and entertaining.

S. Adler

D. Vie

and countless other other junkies we discuss here on Sludge

George Criscuola

Stephen Pearcy is always the first one who comes to mind

SterileEyes1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:06 pm Off the top of my head…

Michael Sweet (never heard his music, just know he’s really fucking dumb)

Aaron Lewis

David Ellefson

Ace (163 IQ my ass, subtract 60 from that and you’re in the ballpark)

Jon Cooper (from the band Skillet, again, never heard his music, just know from rock media that he’s an incredibly stupid person)

Mick Mars tries to act way smarter than he actually is.

Don’t know their music but neither Jack Russell nor Don Dokken strike me as particularly bright.

Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Eric Clapton are people with intelligence who nevertheless choose to be some of the dumbest fucking people alive.

I thought this thread was about intelligence, not "who's done dumb shit and/or whose political opinions you disagree with".

JB Frank of Kingdom Come. And I did't even know who he was until I read the James Kottak thread.

aznsquirt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:02 pm

SterileEyes1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 12:06 pm Off the top of my head…

Michael Sweet (never heard his music, just know he’s really fucking dumb)

Aaron Lewis

David Ellefson

Ace (163 IQ my ass, subtract 60 from that and you’re in the ballpark)

Jon Cooper (from the band Skillet, again, never heard his music, just know from rock media that he’s an incredibly stupid person)

Mick Mars tries to act way smarter than he actually is.

Don’t know their music but neither Jack Russell nor Don Dokken strike me as particularly bright.

Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, and Eric Clapton are people with intelligence who nevertheless choose to be some of the dumbest fucking people alive.

I thought this thread was about intelligence, not "who's done dumb shit and/or whose political opinions you disagree with".

Uhh the thread is about who is DUMB. A simple glance at the thread title and CEO’s post will confirm that for you. I made a distinction between who’s straight up dumb and who’s intelligent but chooses to be dumb.

But, ok, let’s do it your way.

…so which of these goons are intelligent in your opinion? Michael Sweet? David Ellefson? This should be good

1. The Kid
2. The Kid's dead guitar player

3. Race Frehley
4. Eric Carr

5. Zakk Wylde

Johnny B Frank
Bobby Blotzer
Aaron Lewis
Wes Scantlin
Kid Rock
Mark Kendall
Michael Sweet
Phil Varone
Peter Criss
Eddie Ojeda
Steven Adler
Mark Michals

There is definitely something wrong in Vinnie Vincent’s head.

Ace Frehley and Peter Criss

Ozzy
Evan Dando

Zinny wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:06 pm There is definitely something wrong in Vinnie Vincent’s head.

Vinnie sure has problems but low IQ isn't one of them.

I suspect the opposite, that he was at least on Gene and Paul's level and they didn't know how to handle him. They were used to have dumbasses without drive in the band - Criss, Ace, Carr - and then they got someone who was a leader himself and wanted to be their equal. So they started screwing with him not expecting him to not sign contracts and walk away.

Wonder how he was in person before Kiss. Drummer Hirsh Gardner who played with him before and just after Kiss says he noticed Vinnie changed massively and for the worse when working with him in 1984 on VVI demos.

Peter Criss. No competition.

TravisBicklesMohawk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:21 am Peter Criss. No competition.

I raise you a Tommy Lee.
In his book Peter Criss did nor so much come across as dumb, but just very uneducated.

El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:52 am

TravisBicklesMohawk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:21 am Peter Criss. No competition.

I raise you a Tommy Lee.
In his book Peter Criss did nor so much come across as dumb, but just very uneducated.

Neither is the dumbest in their respective bands IMO. I'm not even sure Criss was the dumbest DRUMMER Kiss had.

The really dumb ones are those that make terrible life choices sober, too.

El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:52 am

TravisBicklesMohawk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:21 am Peter Criss. No competition.

I raise you a Tommy Lee.
In his book Peter Criss did nor so much come across as dumb, but just very uneducated.

Inside of the gatefold of KISS "Alive" are the four letters from the band. Peter's letter was written by his then wife, Lydia.

risingfarce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:50 am

El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:52 am

TravisBicklesMohawk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:21 am Peter Criss. No competition.

I raise you a Tommy Lee.
In his book Peter Criss did nor so much come across as dumb, but just very uneducated.

Inside of the gatefold of KISS "Alive" are the four letters from the band. Peter's letter was written by his then wife, Lydia.

Well, like I said...uneducated, never learned how to write properly.
He also seemed pretty immature in his book.

maninblack wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:13 am The really dumb ones are those that make terrible life choices sober, too.

Truer words were never spoken.