Chieftan44 wrote:
I thought the way the Cowboys celebrated after beating the winless Rams was kinda pathetic. It wasn't a rivalry game, the Rams were playing a backup QB...ummm did I mention they're winless?
Take it easy. Steady. Steady.
A win is a win. For a struggling team like Dallas, getting a win against a winless team is just what the doctor ordered.
johnk5150 wrote:Why does Jacksonville have a team?
Politics and bribery.
There is no chance they should have got a team BEFORE Baltimore after the way that city supported the Colts all those years.
I grew up in Baltimore in that in between Colts/Ravens period. Them folks are still pretty pissed. Ravens' SB win in 2001 kinda made it better though. It was even more fucked up that we stole the Browns. That shit still doesn't make sense.
johnk5150 wrote:Why does Jacksonville have a team?
Politics and bribery.
There is no chance they should have got a team BEFORE Baltimore after the way that city supported the Colts all those years.
Actually the Colts almost moved to Jacksonville as early as 1977. Jacksonville had worked for almost 20 years to get a team before finally getting one. Also there was the issue of Baltimore County's archaic blue laws that prohibited games from starting before 2pm on Sunday which was causing the Colts to lose a lot of TV money which was a major concern to the league. On top of that, when the NFL chose cities for a team, Baltimore had a CFL team and no plans to either vacate the CFL at the time nor to build a new stadium for an NFL team. Baltimore actually made it easy to choose Jacksonville to get a team.
Damsel-in-Distress wrote:Taime Downe=pork sausage in a goth wrapper.
The Colts had started talking to Phoenix around 1977 too. Since they weren't going to build a new stadium at that point in Baltimore, the team was destined to split.
radiobed wrote:The bottom line is Sleek is so far from credible when discussing Poison and their impact.
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Niether one of those posts has anything to do with J-Ville getting a team over Baltimore in the 90s. Baltimore was ready to build a stadium and did a couple of years later when the Ravens came to town.
Jacksonville has no business owning an NFL team in a place where college football rules the world and having that huge stadium that they have to block out seats just so they can show it on tv.
On top of that, when the NFL chose cities for a team, Baltimore had a CFL team and no plans to either vacate the CFL at the time nor to build a new stadium for an NFL team. Baltimore actually made it easy to choose Jacksonville to get a team.
The Ravens have a beautiful stadium. And jacksonville was actually the last of a few teams when people wre thrying to figure out who would get a team.
johnk5150 wrote:Why does Jacksonville have a team?
Politics and bribery.
There is no chance they should have got a team BEFORE Baltimore after the way that city supported the Colts all those years.
I grew up in Baltimore in that in between Colts/Ravens period. Them folks are still pretty pissed. Ravens' SB win in 2001 kinda made it better though. It was even more fucked up that we stole the Browns. That shit still doesn't make sense.
Carolina got the team first, and St Loius was originally have thought to have the other team even though Baltimore was the most deserving city of any of the finalists.
And baltimore has since proven they were the city who should have got the expansion team.
St Louis almost got the Patriots in 1993. Orthwein bought them in 1992 for the purpose of moving them but Kraft held the stadium lease and refused to break it. Kraft ended up getting the team in 1994. The ownership changed 4 times in 6 years. Sullivan to Kiam in '88, Kiam to Orthwien in '92, and Orthwein to Kraft in '94.
It just goes to show you that any team can turn it around if they get get good ownership. New England had basically four good seasons from 1970 to 1994 and then went from being a perennial bottom-feeder to a regular contender when they got Kraft, Parcells, and Bledsoe in place in '93 & '94.
Ownership is key, but good coaching means everything. Parcells had the team in the Superbowl and then Carroll ran it into the ground in 3 seasons with the same personnel that got to a Superbowl. One more season after that Belichick took over the same core group and had them winning a Superbowl in his second seasons. Parcells took over messes in NY and Dallas and got them into the playoffs quickly while Carroll is in the process of destroying yet another team.
Look at the other teams that are out there now turning things around with stability and good coaching. And how the hell does Carroll have a job? The guy sucked everywhere he's been except when he was in college with an ideal recruiting situation. How frigging stupid does an owner have to be to hire him?
Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski was hanging with this chick over the bye week: porn star Bibi Jones. It's all over the news here and they say nothing happened, but that's only because there is a morality clause in NE that could cause problems. Hell, I would have been all over this even if Belichick and Kraft were in the next room.
NeverSurrender wrote:Carolina got the team first, and St Loius was originally have thought to have the other team even though Baltimore was the most deserving city of any of the finalists.
And baltimore has since proven they were the city who should have got the expansion team.
The Charlotte market could've been so much better. Jerry Richardson wanted to privately finance the stadium, but the NFL decided that, added to the franchise fee, it was too much debt to take on. So they came up with the idea of PSL's. Yeah, it got the stadium built, but it priced out a huge segment of the fanbase. That's why we have such a wine and cheese crowd.
So...who wins a game first? Rams, Colts, or Dolphins?
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St_Augustines_Pears wrote:So...who wins a game first? Rams, Colts, or Dolphins?
You have to look at the teams situations. Miami has the worst roster but at least they are trying to win games. They are just bad at almost every position on the field, especially most of the skill positions. They lost their QB who while not great was at least solid. And their coaching staff is a bunch of idiots. I think they'll win at least 1 game on effort.
St Louis is bad and has lots of injuries. They need to rebuild. They are a 1-2 win team.
Indy has been ordered to tank games by their asshole GM as evidenced by their performance in the last couple of games. N.O. ran the ball on every single play against them in the 4th quarter the other day and even though they knew exactly what was coming the couldn't stop it. Can't blame that on their QB situation. No way a team goes from a 10 win team to winless because of an injury to their QB. It's not a QB's fault when an opponent puts 62 points on them. The coaching staff has been ordered to lose games and that team has quit because of it. There is no other explanation.
NeverSurrender wrote:Yeah, how do you get all the coaches and all the players to agree to losing on purpose?
Did they stop caring? Yes. But to lose on purpose?
A coaching staff can put in a lousy game plan and the players are smart enough to know it. By all accounts Caldwell is Polian's puppet and I don't think the team respects him. And don't put it past Polian to order Caldwell to put in vanilla sets on both sides of the ball. I don't think the players have agreed to lose games, but they have certainly stopped giving maximum effort. Did you see the way that defense laid down in the 4th quarter on Sunday night? Their first couple of games were competitive but since then they have just been going through the motions. How else do you explain going from being competitive in most of their games last year to being winless this year? Manning doesn't play defense and special teams too. That organization simply isn't giving effort to win games this year, however you spin it.
I don't think you can minimize what losing Manning did to the collective psyche of that team. There's no incentive for a coaching staff or players to "Suck for Luck", because most of them probably won't be around when he gets there.
SkyDog112046 wrote:St Louis almost got the Patriots in 1993. Orthwein bought them in 1992 for the purpose of moving them but Kraft held the stadium lease and refused to break it. Kraft ended up getting the team in 1994. The ownership changed 4 times in 6 years. Sullivan to Kiam in '88, Kiam to Orthwien in '92, and Orthwein to Kraft in '94.
It just goes to show you that any team can turn it around if they get get good ownership. New England had basically four good seasons from 1970 to 1994 and then went from being a perennial bottom-feeder to a regular contender when they got Kraft, Parcells, and Bledsoe in place in '93 & '94.
Ownership is key, but good coaching means everything. Parcells had the team in the Superbowl and then Carroll ran it into the ground in 3 seasons with the same personnel that got to a Superbowl. One more season after that Belichick took over the same core group and had them winning a Superbowl in his second seasons. Parcells took over messes in NY and Dallas and got them into the playoffs quickly while Carroll is in the process of destroying yet another team.
Look at the other teams that are out there now turning things around with stability and good coaching. And how the hell does Carroll have a job? The guy sucked everywhere he's been except when he was in college with an ideal recruiting situation. How frigging stupid does an owner have to be to hire him?
yeah yeah yeah we all know about the Pats' fabulous recent history.
We'll see what a wonderful genius Belichick is once Brady retires.
Crazy Levi wrote:
yeah yeah yeah we all know about the Pats' fabulous recent history.
We'll see what a wonderful genius Belichick is once Brady retires.
I credit ownership first and foremost. An owner should do all they can to make the team competitive in terms of the stadium situation but they need to stay out of the way of the football people and let them run the team. Meddling owners don't usually fare well.
As for the team itself, Parcells is the one who turned the franchise around. He is the one that built the team in the early to mid-90's, although he was eventually driven out by a personnel dept that started going against his wishes. That was his team that went to the SB vs GB, and his basic core that Belichick started winning with. Kraft learned a valuable lesson when he went against Parcells and drove him out and has since stayed out of on-field matters.
My initial point was that a good owner sets the tone and brings in the right football people and then stays out of their way and lets them run the show. Any franchise that gets good ownership can eventually turn things around. Maybe one day Snyder will learn his lesson and stop meddling.
Kraft is a great owner. Obviously a bit better than Victor Kiam.
Snyder is a terrible owner. He's been a good owner for precisely 6 weeks now - since he dropped that stupid lawsuit against the DC City Paper.
He has apparently stayed out of the football side of things since Shannahan took over but we'll see what happens if the Skins aren't winning by next season.
No teams attend T.O. workout -- Wed Oct 26 9:29 am --
Coming back from torn ACL
No teams attended Terrell Owens' workout in Calabasas, Calif., on Tuesday, but the 37-year-old receiver said he was confident that he showed enough that teams will be interested. The free-agent receiver is unsigned after tearing his anterior cruciate ligament and having surgery in early April. He participated in some drills and caught passes Tuesday in the workout that was televised on ESPN and the NFL Network. He did not run the 40-yard dash. (ESPN.com)
johnk5150 wrote:No teams attend T.O. workout -- Wed Oct 26 9:29 am --
Coming back from torn ACL
No teams attended Terrell Owens' workout in Calabasas, Calif., on Tuesday, but the 37-year-old receiver said he was confident that he showed enough that teams will be interested. The free-agent receiver is unsigned after tearing his anterior cruciate ligament and having surgery in early April. He participated in some drills and caught passes Tuesday in the workout that was televised on ESPN and the NFL Network. He did not run the 40-yard dash. (ESPN.com)
Someone tell T.O. that his career is over.
No teams are interested in signing an aging receive with
a selfish attitude.
Crazy Levi wrote:Kraft is a great owner. Obviously a bit better than Victor Kiam.
Snyder is a terrible owner. He's been a good owner for precisely 6 weeks now - since he dropped that stupid lawsuit against the DC City Paper.
He has apparently stayed out of the football side of things since Shannahan took over but we'll see what happens if the Skins aren't winning by next season.
Snyder sucks. I remember him trying to charge fans for showing up to training camp. Dumbass has one of the best fanbases in sports, and tries fleecing them, all while throwing money all over the place.
Crazy Levi wrote:Kraft is a great owner. Obviously a bit better than Victor Kiam.
Snyder is a terrible owner. He's been a good owner for precisely 6 weeks now - since he dropped that stupid lawsuit against the DC City Paper.
He has apparently stayed out of the football side of things since Shannahan took over but we'll see what happens if the Skins aren't winning by next season.
Snyder sucks. I remember him trying to charge fans for showing up to training camp. Dumbass has one of the best fanbases in sports, and tries fleecing them, all while throwing money all over the place.
He didn't TRY charging them, he did charge them. The funniest thing about it - and this is mostly forgotten - is that by charging, he allowed scouts from any other NFC team to go sit in on practices. You can't keep anybody out if you charge or some shit like that.
All anybody needs to know about Snyder is right here:
After 7 rough games, it may be hard for some people to remember that prior to that we'd had about 10 amazing seasons. The fact is we've been an exemplary franchise for the past decade. We suffered an unavoidable blow to this season which we could not have possibly prepared for. The climb back to glory and greatness will begin and next season we will be back.
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poizond13 wrote:After 7 rough games, it may be hard for some people to remember that prior to that we'd had about 10 amazing seasons. The fact is we've been an exemplary franchise for the past decade. We suffered an unavoidable blow to this season which we could not have possibly prepared for. The climb back to glory and greatness will begin and next season we will be back.
Whatever you say there, John Facenda.
All that posts needs is some classical music and mad Dog Mike Curtis leveling somebody in the snow.
