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Trumpcare is toast.

Trump is a failure.
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If Trump backs off of an Obamacare repeal, won't his supporters be pissed? He promised them something different.
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TenBenny wrote:If Trump backs off of an Obamacare repeal, won't his supporters be pissed? He promised them something different.
They are already making excuses. Here's one example: viewtopic.php?p=6976557#p6976557
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That-guy wrote:Word is, Trump is giving up on a new healthcare bill if this one doesn't pass. He'll go from "repeal and replace" to "fuck it, Obamacare isn't that bad." :lol:
I hope this means he's ready to move on to the part of his agenda the market loves (regulation/tax reform, infrastructure/military spending, etc.).

The market can't afford to wait for ALL of these incompetent politicians to agree on how to save this sinking ship known as ACA. In a lot of ways, it's politically smart to not take ownership of this sinking ship because it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

Sadly, you'd think we all pay these buffoons enough to work together on something they ALL agree needs serious reform. Too many cooks, too many voting bases/lobbyists to be concerned with to do what's right.
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Chip Z'Hoy wrote:A mentally retarded person is President.
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Some are saying Ryan pulled it others saying Trump. Hopefully there will be a civil war now in what is really a coalition between the tea party and the Republicans, that has come together under the Republican umbrella. They should really be 2 separate parties, but of course they'd never win a thing if they were separate entities.
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Trump blames Democrats for GOP health care bill failure
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Herman Cain: "If You Don't Have A Job And You're Not Rich, Blame Yourself"
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A little off topic, but does anyone else think Betsy DeVos is kinda hot? :lol:
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That-guy wrote:A little off topic, but does anyone else think Betsy DeVos is kinda hot? :lol:
Hell no. But I'd hatefuck the hell out of Tomi Lahren. I'd wipe my dick on her curtains on the way out too.
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That-guy wrote:A little off topic, but does anyone else think Betsy DeVos is kinda hot? :lol:
Hell no. But I'd hatefuck the hell out of Tomi Lahren. I'd wipe my dick on her curtains on the way out too.
That goes without saying. She's as attractive on the outside as she is unattractive on the inside.
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We can all agree that Tomi Lahren got her gig because of her journalistic talent? And her not-at-all irritating voice?
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President Donald Trump likes winning. But on Friday he failed.
Lacking sufficient support, Republicans were forced to pull their bill to replace Obamacare from the floor of the GOP-controlled House. Speaking soon after accepting defeat, Trump didn't shoulder the responsibility himself, nor did he pin the blame on House GOP leadership or any of the warring Republican factions' whose competing demands ultimately sunk any chance of a consensus bill.
Instead, he blamed Democrats :lol: and vowed to let Obamacare "explode."

"We had no Democrat support. We had no votes from the Democrats. They weren't going to give us a single vote, so it's a very very difficult thing to do," Trump said. "I think the losers are (House Minority Leader) Nancy Pelosi and (Senate Minority Leader) Chuck Schumer because now they own Obamacare. 100% own it." (Can the Dems get in trouble for being "The Party of No?")

The words flew in the face of Trump's intense and personal engagement in lobbying members of Congress to support the House bill, efforts the White House touted in recent days as they hinted at Trump's negotiating expertise.
That tune changed on Friday after Trump's first legislative failure, when Trump dubbed himself a mere "team player."
But while Trump publicly declined to level any criticism against House Speaker Paul Ryan -- who Trump said "really worked hard" -- or the House Freedom Caucus, which withheld support even after Trump made major changes to the bill in their favor, he and his advisers had begun the finger-pointing a day earlier.
Standing on the precipice of a legislative failure likely to damage the political capital he will need to steer the priorities he truly cares about through Congress, Trump was "pissed" Thursday night, one source close to the President said, and so were his advisers. Blame fell everywhere but in the Oval Office.

Several senior administration officials on Thursday night began blaming a flawed strategy pushed by Ryan and former House member Tom Price, now Health and Human Services secretary, for the embarrassing debacle. It was a strategy Trump signed up for when top aides and Ryan presented him with the plan to make good on his Obamacare repeal campaign promise so he could swiftly move on to issues he is more passionate about and familiar with like tax reform and infrastructure spending.
"This was all Ryan and Price," said one senior administration official. "They agreed upon this plan the day (Trump) hired Price."
Nevertheless, Trump himself answered affirmatively when asked Friday morning if Ryan should stay on as speaker in the face of failure.
A second senior administration official concurred while a third instead pinned the blame on the House Freedom Caucus, the group of hardline conservatives who have held out support for the bill, demanding a slew of 11th-hour changes that sent the House GOP jigsaw puzzle into disarray.

"There is a growing frustration in the White House over how the Freedom Caucus has handled the negotiations. The President has tried to address their concerns and they keep moving the goal posts," said a senior White House official. "If this bill goes down, I don't think the President is going to have any appetite to work with them."
But a source close to Trump described the President as more frustrated with his staff for convincing him to back the House GOP leadership plan in the first place.
Painting the President as a political neophyte who has only been in Washington for two months, the source said Trump has become "frustrated with his staff's inability to get this done" and argued that Trump was misled by those staffers who urged him to tackle Obamacare head first and hitch himself to Ryan's plan.
"He was talked into doing this bill first. It was not negotiated well on his behalf," the source said. "He's relied on his staff to give him good information and they haven't. And that's the problem."
The source close to Trump described a president who felt bamboozled by Ryan and his own staff, duped into thinking that passing health care would be the quick victory he needed to make good on a campaign promise central to his election and push forward on other policy fronts.

Trump is likely to blame Ryan and his chief of staff, Reince Priebus, the source said, since he "bought" into Ryan's plan and helped convince Trump to get on board, according to another senior administration official.
Trump also blames staff for his own late personal engagement in lobbying members of Congress and the lack of presidential travel to key districts that would help flip votes rather than himself, one source said.
But there is plenty of blame to go around, as all factions within the West Wing worked arduously to help craft and sell the bill.

As Trump headed to Mar-a-Lago the first Friday of this month, both Priebus and White House chief strategist Steve Bannon stayed at the White House, working late into the night on tweaks to the bill, according to one senior administration official.
The White House deployed its top conservatives to corral the House Freedom Caucus, with Bannon, counselor Kellyanne Conway and senior White House policy adviser Steven Miller joining Vice President Mike Pence's already longstanding engagement in the legislative push.
And weeks after Trump pledged the full weight of his presidency and White House officials touted Trump's personal engagement in selling the bill, the President appears prepared to accept none of the blame if his gambit fails.
In two rallies in the last two weeks, he barely talked about health care and failed to build a consensus among disparate Republican factions.
Talked up as a "closer," the President who ascended to the presidency on the merits of his negotiating prowess only became intimately involved in the work of wooing and grappling with members of Congress to win their support in the last 10 days.

By that point, Republican senators were becoming increasingly vocal in their objections to the bill while the House Freedom Caucus ramped up its calls for major changes that would unsettle the bill's delicate balance aimed at appealing to all factions of the GOP.
Now, some Republicans have begun to direct at least some of the blame toward the Oval Office, arguing that Trump failed to follow through on his pledge to put sustained pressure on Republican members of Congress in order to pass the bill.
For that, senior administration officials pinned the blame on the House speaker, who, along with his leadership team, crafted the bulk of the House bill months before Trump even took office.
But as one senior administration official argued to CNN that hardline conservative members needed to pass the bill were not brought into the process until too late, Ryan's office quickly responded with prepared pushback.
"The speaker and his staff have met with conservative members of our conference nearly every week as the bill has made its way through the four-committee process," a Ryan aide said in a statement. "The speaker maintains an open door policy for members in his office ... He regularly texts with members, including (Rep. Mark) Meadows. The speaker's senior staff are always available, including our chief of staff."
Still, more blame is likely to fall.
One source wondered late Thursday night why Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and one of the most powerful West Wing forces, was away on a ski vacation with his wife, Ivanka Trump, while other White House staffers toiled away at an increasingly fraught mission.

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House Speaker Paul Ryan conceded the biggest defeat of his political career Friday: Republicans have failed to repeal and replace Obamacare.

And after nearly three full months into the year, he now has to face a head-on a challenge that is likely to haunt his tenure as speaker for the foreseeable future: seemingly irreconcilable differences among his fellow Republicans.
"Moving from an opposition party to a governing party comes with growing pains," Ryan told reporters Friday. "And well, we're feeling those growing pains today."

The stunning setback was particularly excruciating for the 47-year-old, who made his name in Washington as a conservative policy wonk committed to repealing the Affordable Care Act and ascended to the powerful position of House speaker in fall 2015.
The bill that too many of his fellow colleagues ultimately rejected was based on Ryan's signature policy agenda, called "A Better Way."
"I don't know what else to say other than Obamacare is the law of the land. It'll remain law of the land until it's replaced," he said. "We're going to be living with Obamacre for the foreseeable future."
It's a rough reminder that life is different for Ryan now than before Trump was elected. During the Obama administration, the Republican-controlled House could pass message bills that would repeal Obamacare with impunity, knowing they would die in the Senate or be vetoed by the President.
"This is how governing works when you're in the majority. We need to get 216 people to agree with each other to write legislation. Not 210. Not 215," Ryan said at Friday's press conference. "We were close but we didn't have 216 people. That's how legislating works."
RELATED: Dems gleeful after Obamacare victory
Even before the decision to pull the health care bill, Republican lawmakers were worried about the impact of a potential defeat.
New York Rep. Chris Collins said Friday afternoon prior to the cancellation of the vote that if the health care bill fails, it would leave a "black eye" on his party's ability to legislate.
"If we don't pass this, I personally don't think we pass a 2018 budget. We couldn't pass a 2017 budget. So if we couldn't pass a 2017 budget and this happens today, how are we going to pass a 2018 budget?" he said.
"And that's the vehicle for tax reform. And if you don't do tax reform, where does the money come from for infrastructure? That's how critical this vote is today."
But both Trump and Ryan say they plan to go to tax reform next.

Ryan spoke alone from behind the podium, and he was not flanked by any of the Republican colleagues or White House officials who had furiously worked with him for weeks to try to get the health care legislation through the House.
And while questions are being raised about Ryan's relationship with Trump, the two have publicly insisted that they have a healthy dialogue.
The Wisconsin Republican said he had directly informed Trump that he did not have the votes, and that the President accepted his recommendation that Republicans yank the bill.
Trump publicly blamed Democrats -- not the speaker -- for Friday's failure.
"I like Speaker Ryan. He worked very hard," Trump said from the Oval Office.

But it will take more than platitudes to unite his party, especially after both conservative and moderate factions demonstrated their strength this week.
The GOP's internal divisions were Ryan's gravest challenge, and one he never came close to resolving.
Members of the conservative Freedom Caucus refused to get behind the bill, referring to leadership's proposal as "Obamacare Lite" that simply didn't go far enough in gutting the law.
But when Ryan and his deputies attempted to appease that faction by offering to go further than their original bill in gutting Obamacare, that only irked the more moderate lawmakers in the House conference.
In the final days, Ryan worked around the clock to try to bridge the two factions, holding back-to-back meetings and one-on-one sessions. But the differences could not be reconciled.
"We came really close today, but we came up short," Ryan said at a news conference. "I will not sugarcoat this. This is a disappointing day for us."
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When his Muslim ban was ruled unconstitutional, he should have said "That's okay. I always said I wanted another terrorist attack. Then the Democrats will come to me and we can negotiate."

What a seriously fucked up person.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:They are already making excuses. Here's one example: viewtopic.php?p=6976557#p6976557
radiosped wrote:I hope this means he's ready to move on to the part of his agenda the market loves (regulation/tax reform, infrastructure/military spending, etc.).
Meanwhile, 230 innocent civilians were killed by US airstrikes while Trump pushes to eliminate any refugees because they should just deal with being bombed by his forces themselves somehow. No excuse needed, it's just cool. But by all means, increase military spending at the expense of the poor and elderly, the market loves that after all. Thank god that hawk Hillary didn't win the election.
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In the new Time Magazine interview about Trump's dishonesty, Trump boasts "I predicted a lot of things"
http://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-ti ... falsehood/
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How Trump the Closer Became Trump the Loser
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It was right out of "Art of the Deal," Trump's old business book in which he stressed the importance of being ready to walk away to force a sale.

But Republicans called his bluff. Some of them had studied the "Art of the Deal" themselves — Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) handed out copies to Freedom Caucus members — and reached a similar conclusion.


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SebastianLeeDanzig wrote: But by all means, increase military spending at the expense of the poor and elderly, the market loves that after all. Thank god that hawk Hillary didn't win the election.
You misunderstand my personal thoughts on military spending. I'm not looking for the US to be hawkish. If you look at what Trump/Mattis say, they're not looking to use the military other than to help defeat ISIS and protect all the poor refugees you claim to care so much about.

What I like about infrastructure and military spending is two fold:

1. We need to improve bridges, airports, military technology, etc. The military is a great way to take kids out of awful situations in the inner city and help get them the development/training/job skills they need to have a successful life. They could directly train a lot of these people to assist on the infrastructure jobs.

2. This spending creates jobs, opportunities and ultimately benefits the economy. That enables us to more easily help those truly in need.

Now spending money on able bodied folks like you so that they can buy meth, is that benefiting anyone??

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radiobed wrote: We need to improve bridges, airports, military technology, etc. The military is a great way to take kids out of awful situations in the inner city and help get them the development/training/job skills they need to have a successful life. They could directly train a lot of these people to assist on the infrastructure jobs.
Good thinking. Send the poor inner city kids to war. What a novel idea.

And if they can avoid coming back in coffins, still have all their limbs, and can avoid sticking a gun in their mouth because they don't get the treatment they need to battle a lifetime of crippling PTSD, they can improve airports!
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Son_of_Sam_I_Am wrote:
radiobed wrote: We need to improve bridges, airports, military technology, etc. The military is a great way to take kids out of awful situations in the inner city and help get them the development/training/job skills they need to have a successful life. They could directly train a lot of these people to assist on the infrastructure jobs.
Good thinking. Send the poor inner city kids to war. What a novel idea.

And if they can avoid coming back in coffins, still have all their limbs, and can avoid sticking a gun in their mouth because they don't get the treatment they need to battle a lifetime of crippling PTSD, they can improve airports!
I have to wonder if radiobed has been in the military. Our kid joined with a great MOS, because he already had wanted skills (I had to take back a lot of my bitching about his gaming. :lol: Plus, he was actually already a couple of years into an electricians apprenticeship). But for a whole lot of kids going into the military, it isn't a jobs training operation. That's not what the military is about. Nor does it want to be., unless the person has something useful to them.

And again, with the "inner city" kids. :roll: How about the poor kids in coal country? From what I hear, it's "carnage" there. How about suggesting it for them?
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Son_of_Sam_I_Am wrote:
radiobed wrote: We need to improve bridges, airports, military technology, etc. The military is a great way to take kids out of awful situations in the inner city and help get them the development/training/job skills they need to have a successful life. They could directly train a lot of these people to assist on the infrastructure jobs.
Good thinking. Send the poor inner city kids to war. What a novel idea.

And if they can avoid coming back in coffins, still have all their limbs, and can avoid sticking a gun in their mouth because they don't get the treatment they need to battle a lifetime of crippling PTSD, they can improve airports!
Yeah but it goes along with Drumpf's sell line to the poor inner city black folks, "What have you got to lose?" so radiosped has no problem with them taking the jobs in this instance.
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vlad wrote:And again, with the "inner city" kids. :roll: How about the poor kids in coal country? From what I hear, it's "carnage" there. How about suggesting it for them?
White people should get manufacturing jobs. People of color need to be shipped off to die.

Radioracist has it all figured out.
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Son_of_Sam_I_Am wrote:
radiobed wrote: We need to improve bridges, airports, military technology, etc. The military is a great way to take kids out of awful situations in the inner city and help get them the development/training/job skills they need to have a successful life. They could directly train a lot of these people to assist on the infrastructure jobs.
Good thinking. Send the poor inner city kids to war. What a novel idea.

And if they can avoid coming back in coffins, still have all their limbs, and can avoid sticking a gun in their mouth because they don't get the treatment they need to battle a lifetime of crippling PTSD, they can improve airports!
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Son_of_Sam_I_Am wrote:Good thinking. Send the poor inner city kids to war. What a novel idea.

And if they can avoid coming back in coffins, still have all their limbs, and can avoid sticking a gun in their mouth because they don't get the treatment they need to battle a lifetime of crippling PTSD, they can improve airports!
To be clear, I was in no way looking at military spending to start wars. I am very much in favor of us not getting involved like we have in the past.

I'm coming from the angle of overpriced college not working for everyone and us not having skilled people to fill jobs. I'd like to see more direct training for good jobs for those not interested in college, that wouldn't need to involve the military at all. Of course it can also come via the military where some people need more than just job training but structure as well.

I'm not picking on people that grew up in a bad environment but job programs fail sometimes for these people because the employers can't deal with constant tardiness/unreliability. They may know the job but they need to also build a structure. The military can be an aid to not only help these people with skills but also get them ready for responsibility they weren't taught growing up.

To your point, if spending just leads to more wars and lives lost, I would agree this wouldn't work.
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vlad wrote:And again, with the "inner city" kids. :roll: How about the poor kids in coal country? From what I hear, it's "carnage" there. How about suggesting it for them?
White people should get manufacturing jobs. People of color need to be shipped off to die.

Radioracist has it all figured out.

There's poor people of all color. Direct to job training and military could be options for all people depending on what they need . You making this somehow about color is silly.

There are a lot of able bodied people not working yet shortages of people for good paying skilled jobs. Everyone does not have to go to college to be successful. There are other options and they are needed.
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Son_of_Sam_I_Am wrote:Good thinking. Send the poor inner city kids to war. What a novel idea.

And if they can avoid coming back in coffins, still have all their limbs, and can avoid sticking a gun in their mouth because they don't get the treatment they need to battle a lifetime of crippling PTSD, they can improve airports!
To be clear, I was in no way looking at military spending to start wars. I am very much in favor of us not getting involved like we have in the past.

I'm coming from the angle of overpriced college not working for everyone and us not having skilled people to fill jobs. I'd like to see more direct training for good jobs for those not interested in college, that wouldn't need to involve the military at all. Of course it can also come via the military where some people need more than just job training but structure as well.

I'm not picking on people that grew up in a bad environment but job programs fail sometimes for these people because the employers can't deal with constant tardiness/unreliability. They may know the job but they need to also build a structure. The military can be an aid to not only help these people with skills but also get them ready for responsibility they weren't taught growing up.

To your point, if spending just leads to more wars and lives lost, I would agree this wouldn't work.
The military is not a goddamn vocational program, radiosped, nor does it magically impart ambition and discipline into lazy slackers. If your idea had any validity, we would have already turned our prisons to Parris Islands and replaced the COs with DIs.
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I was giving an example of how the military can benefit some, not all.

My broader point is infrastructure spending creates jobs and improves our country. Military spending creates jobs and protects our country.

Spending on able bodied folks that do nothing isn't helping anyone long term. We need to be creative and find multiple ways to help those that can fill jobs we need filled.

I'm not sure what you're arguing against. Should lazy people be allowed to just cheat the system forever which could compromise help to those that truly need it??
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