BBC's whitewashed profile of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

[SmokingGun]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12313405

All that text... all quite positive and upbeat.. but they leave out the rather pertinent fact that the Muslim Brotherhood wants to sever the peace treaty with Israel. I would think that this is a glaring omission.

http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/2011/02/0 ... oy-israel/

http://israelinsider.net/profiles/blogs ... on-signals

And their aim is to introduce Sharia law.. so say goodbye to any chance of democracy in Egypt. Sharia law says what the law is clearly and directly, it doesn't leave it up to the general public to decide.

[Woland]

looololol grow up, dude.

[SmokingGun]

It is getting really tedious.. but the fate of a country is at stake here, if they get true democracy the idea might spread through the middle east and catch on. One can hope...

But yeah, I'm as bored of these Muslim threads as everyone else is by now, and I'll be winding them down.

[Woland]

looololol which country are you talking about. Israel? because even their youth are fucking sick and tired of the genocidal tactics their country uses on neighboring people.

don't worry. it will spread while your country goes into further economic peril.

too bad the US and UK destroyed the wrong country LOOOLOLOL.

[EvilMadman]

LOOOLOLOL @ "genocidal tactics of Israel".

too bad the US and UK destroyed the wrong country LOOOLOLOL.

ABC News has obtained 12 hours of tape recordings of Saddam Hussein meeting with top aides during the 1990s, tapes apparently recorded in Baghdad's version of the Oval Office. ABC News obtained the tapes from Bill Tierney, a former member of a United Nations inspection team who translated them for the FBI. "Because of my experience being in the inspections and being in the military, I knew the significance of these tapes when I heard them," says Tierney. U.S. officials have confirmed the tapes are authentic, and that they are among hundreds of hours of tapes Saddam recorded in his palace office. One of the most dramatic moments in the 12 hours of recordings comes when Saddam predicts -- during a meeting in the mid-1990s -- a terrorist attack on the United States.

"Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans a long time before Aug. 2 and told the British as well ... that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction."

Saddam goes on to say such attacks would be difficult to stop. "In the future, what would prevent a booby-trapped car causing a nuclear explosion in Washington or a germ or a chemical one?" But he adds that Iraq would never do such a thing.

"This is coming, this story is coming but not from Iraq." Also at the meeting was Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, who said Iraq was being wrongly accused of terrorism. "Sir, the biological is very easy to make. It's so simple that any biologist can make a bottle of germs and drop it into a water tower and kill 100,000. This is not done by a state. No need to accuse a state. An individual can do it."

The tapes also reveal Iraq's persistent efforts to hide information about weapons of mass destruction programs from U.N. inspectors well into the 1990s. In one pivotal tape-recorded meeting, which occurred in late April or May of 1995, Saddam and his senior aides discuss the fact that U.N. inspectors had uncovered evidence of Iraq's biological weapons program -- a program whose existence Iraq had previously denied. At one point Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law and the man who was in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts can be heard on the tapes, speaking openly about hiding information from the U.N. "We did not reveal all that we have," Kamel says in the meeting. "Not the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct."

Shortly after this meeting, in August 1995, Hussein Kamel defected to Jordan, and Iraq was forced to admit that it had concealed its biological weapons program. (Kamel returned to Iraq in February 1996 and was killed in a firefight with Iraqi security forces.) A spokeswoman for John Negroponte, director of national intelligence, said information contained in the transcriptions of the tapes was already known to intelligence officials. "Intelligence community analysts from the CIA, and the DIA reviewed the translations and found that, while fascinating, from a historical perspective the tapes do not reveal anything that changes their post-war analysis of Iraq's weapons programs nor do they change the findings contained in the comprehensive Iraq Survey group report," she said in a statement. "The tapes mostly date from early to mid-1990s and cover such topics as relations with the United Nations, efforts to rebuild industries from Gulf war damage and the pre 9/11 situation in Afghanistan."

Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, says the tapes are authentic and show that "Saddam had a fixation on weapons of mass destruction and he had a fixation on hiding what he was doing from the U.N. inspectors." Hoeckstra says there are more than 35,000 boxes of such tapes and documents that the U.S. government has not analyzed nor made public that should also be translated and studied on an urgent basis.

Charles Duelfer, who led the official U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction after the war, says the tapes show extensive deception but don't prove that weapons were still hidden in Iraq at the time of the U.S.-led war in 2003. "What they do is support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted." Tierney, who provided ABC News with the tapes, plans to make the 12 hours of recordings public at a nongovernmental meeting -- called Intelligence Summit 2006 -- this weekend in Arlington, Va. John Loftus, a former federal prosecutor, runs the meeting. "We think this is a tape that is unclassified and available to the public," says Loftus " just want to have it translated and let the tape speak for itself."

ABC News' Hoda Osman and Avni Patel contributed to this report.

By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ
Feb. 15, 2006
abcnews.go.com

[bane]

It is getting really tedious.. but the fate of a country is at stake here, if they get true democracy the idea might spread through the middle east and catch on. One can hope...

But yeah, I'm as bored of these Muslim threads as everyone else is by now, and I'll be winding them down.

True secular democracy in the mid east? What are you smoking dude?

[Woland]

looololol @ some idiot still believing that propaganda about saddamn hussein when he was so useful in fighting Iran with those 'WMDs' he got from the US.

too bad you guys didn't find fuck all. sucks how 'WMDs' have a shelf-life and all, eh?

[Luminiferous]

Well Mubarak is out.. Egypt is under military control..

Guess we should all hope they shoot the Muslims..

[EvilMadman]

looololol @ some idiot still believing that propaganda about saddamn hussein when he was so useful in fighting Iran with those 'WMDs' he got from the US.

too bad you guys didn't find fuck all. sucks how 'WMDs' have a shelf-life and all, eh?

North Korea and Iraq



It was reported that Pakistani technology was being exported to North Korea. In May 1998, Newsweek magazine alleged that Khan had sent nuclear know-how to Iraq, an allegation that he denied. United Nations arms inspectors apparently discovered documents discussing Khan's purported offer in Iraq; Iraqi officials said the documents were authentic but that they had not agreed to work with Khan, fearing a sting operation.

The Bush administration investigated Pakistani nuclear weapons proliferation in 2001 and 2002, focusing on Khan's personal role. In December 2002 it renewed the allegation that an unidentified agent, supposedly acting on Khan's behalf, had offered nuclear weapons expertise to Iraq in the mid-1990s. Khan strongly denied this allegation and the Pakistani government declared the evidence to be "fraudulent". The United States responded by imposing sanctions on KRL.

Iran and Libya

In December 2003, Libya announced that it had agreed to abandon its undisclosed weapons of mass destruction program. Libyan government officials were quoted as saying that Libya had bought nuclear components from various black market dealers, including Pakistanis. U.S. officials who visited the Libyan uranium enrichment plants reported that the gas centrifuges used there were very similar to the Iranian machines. The IAEA officials also visited the Libyan nuclear plant where they found models of Paksat-1. Interpol arrested three Swiss nuclear scientists, who were Khan's close associates.

In 2003, Libya gave up nuclear weapons-related material including these centrifuges that were acquired from Pakistan's AQ Khan nuclear "black market"

wikipedia.org

[EvilMadman]

looololol @ some idiot still believing that propaganda about saddamn hussein when he was so useful in fighting Iran with those 'WMDs' he got from the US.

too bad you guys didn't find fuck all. sucks how 'WMDs' have a shelf-life and all, eh?

The conventional wisdom is that the USA and Great Britain supplied Saddam with his chemical weapons equipment during the Iran-Iraq war. The cynical joke goes: "The USA has proof of Saddam's WMD: they have the sales receipts." In fact, both the Reagan and Thatcher administrations worked strenuously to forbid the export of even precursor chemicals, as confirmed by the archives of the State Department's Office for Export Controls Cooperation. It was the former Soviet Union that supplied Saddam with 99% of his chemical and biological weapons.
Covering up for this was not simply a question of hiding a few Russian scientists or shredding some documents. The Russians had given Saddam biowar samples and chemical precursors, whose molecular signature could possibly be traced back to their points of origin, and the Russians had to get rid of substantial amounts of physical evidence. That is what the Spetznatz unit was sent to Iraq for in the last months before the invasion: to remove the proof that Russia had violated its international treaties by supplying Saddam with biological and chemical weapons.
According to US and British intelligence, a pair of retired Russian generals was sent to Iraq to deliver the bad news to Saddam. At the very end of 2002, the Russians persuaded a reluctant Saddam that CW [chemical weapons] and BW [bio weapons], while useful in massacring civilians,would have no impact on the well-equipped American and British forces. Leaving the weapons stockpile lying around would only confirm to the world that the Coalition had been justified in invading Iraq.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46340292/Iraq ... dom-Loftus

http://www.stratfor.com/memberships/982 ... emain_iraq

Gee, I wonder why that was?

I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding that maybe, just maybe, there might have been something really "fishy" going with regards to WMD between Iraq, Syria, Libya, DPRK, PRC, Russia, Pakistan and even Iran (Saddam sent his friggin' Air Force to his enemy Iran, rather than see it destroyed by the U.S./Coalition forces). Why is it so damn hard to believe?

[Woland]

looololol you're still copy/pasting shit from 9+ years ago, dude. shit that was never confirmed. you highlighted the 'alleged' part yourself.

and maybe you should dig a little deeper into the US giving mustard gas and sarin to use on persian soldiers... that source you posted is shit.

but i guess if you thought newsweek was legit too... LOOOLOLOL.

[EvilMadman]

looololol you're still copy/pasting shit from 9+ years ago, dude. shit that was never confirmed. you highlighted the 'alleged' part yourself.

and maybe you should dig a little deeper into the US giving mustard gas and sarin to use on persian soldiers... that source you posted is shit.

but i guess if you thought newsweek was legit too... LOOOLOLOL.

The "9+ years ago" article was to prove a point, Saddam's regime was still very dangerous and up to absolutely no good, BEFORE Bush and Cheney arrived on the scene.



1% WOW!

The top three scumbags were the ones truly arming and signing multi-billion dollar oil contracts with Saddam all those years ago, and were also the exact same fuckers who vehemently opposed the Iraq invasion.

Okay, here's something much more recent for you...

Wikileaks: WMD program existed in Iraq prior to US invasion

The release by Julian Assange's web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.

One of the WikiLeaks document dumps reveals that as late as 2008, American troops continued to find WMD in the region.

There are numerous mentions of chemical and biological weapons in the WikiLeaks documents, however the U.S. media appear only interested in those portions of the leaked material that highlight actions that are viewed as embarrassing for the U.S. military such as the accusation that U.S. commanders were aware of abuse and "torture" of prisoners by Iraqi soldiers and police officers.

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Wikileaks: WMD program existed in Iraq prior to US invasion - National public safety | Examiner.com December 7th, 2010

LOOOLOLOL

[Woland]

the top three scumbags... with the lower two being your allies LOOOLOLOL. wonder where they get their weapons from .

oh, wikileaks - thank god. something interesting. oh, but it says right there, 'WMD program existed in Iraq prior to US invasion,' which um, if you scroll up - i already acknowledged that they had WMDs before the US invaded.

and also, those WMDs discovered were impotent... like i said earlier.

so, looololol you keep getting pwned. but keep trying!

[EvilMadman]

the top three scumbags... with the lower two being your allies LOOOLOLOL. wonder where they get their weapons from

Yeah, yeah, they're such allies that they actively support most of the United States' enemies (i.e. Iraq, Iran, DPRK).

And please don't try to claim that the world's AK 47's, and all of Saddam's old hidden bunkers were all U.S. made.

oh, wikileaks - thank god. something interesting. oh, but it says right there, 'WMD program existed in Iraq prior to US invasion,' which um, if you scroll up - i already acknowledged that they had WMDs before the US invaded.

WikiLeaks document dumps reveals that as late as 2008, American troops continued to find WMD in the region.

"As late as 2008", not just from when Saddam was using WMD in the 1980's-90's against the Kurds and Iranians.

and also, those WMDs discovered were impotent... like i said earlier.

No, no, not quite. You're confusing this report about old spent artillery shells with degraded nerve gas...

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent recently exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday.
Bush administration officials told Fox News that mustard gas was also recently discovered.

foxnews.com
May 17, 2004

With what was mentioned on the Wikileaks document...

Julian Assange's web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.

"Chemical weapon labs"? Not "lab", but "labs"? And here I thought the mobile weapon lab stuff was debunked long ago as just more U.S. intel service failures.

"Insurgents who were specialists in toxins" and "Uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq".

I guess if the MSM doesn't report a story, it doesn't exist, huh?

so, looololol you keep getting pwned. but keep trying

You don't actually believe you've won something, do you? What's the prize? looololol

[SeminiferousButtNoid]

genocidal tactics of Israel

That didn't take long.

[Woland]

Yeah, yeah, they're such allies that they actively support most of the United States' enemies (i.e. Iraq, Iran, DPRK).

i don't get your point. it's like your saying too many cooks are spoiling the broth. everyone should play nice while the US gets to support all the terrorists they want? LOOOLOLOL yeah, ok. good luck.

"As late as 2008", not just from when Saddam was using WMD in the 1980's-90's against the Kurds and Iranians.

snore. again, for what now, the third time? impotent WMDs = worthless. the US found a bunch of dead stock. way to go. no one cared about these bullshit stories of containers that were weaker than aspirins LOOOLOLOL.

foxnews.com May 17, 2004

LOOOLOLOL says it all.

"Chemical weapon labs"? Not "lab", but "labs"? And here I thought the mobile weapon lab stuff was debunked long ago as just more U.S. intel service failures.

"Insurgents who were specialists in toxins" and "Uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq".

I guess if the MSM doesn't report a story, it doesn't exist, huh?

fascinating stuff, bro. too bad it doesn't even bother to go into detail. i wonder why, LOOOLOLOL.

i guess the prize is you learning something, because this is like beating a child.

[EvilMadman]

Yeah, yeah, they're such allies that they actively support most of the United States' enemies (i.e. Iraq, Iran, DPRK).

i don't get your point. it's like your saying too many cooks are spoiling the broth. everyone should play nice while the US gets to support all the terrorists they want? LOOOLOLOL yeah, ok. good luck.

Maybe you just lack simple reading comprehension? LOOOLOLOL

So, who are all of these "terrorists" that the U.S. supports, in your opinion? Israel? LOOOLOLOL

Okay, the United States' support for Mubarak? Well, I can guarantee he was not even in the same league when it comes to pure evil as North Korea (who China and Russia support), the Sudan (China, again), Iran (North Korea and Russia, again) or Iraq under the Hussein regime (France, Germany, China and Russia, again).

"As late as 2008", not just from when Saddam was using WMD in the 1980's-90's against the Kurds and Iranians.

snore. again, for what now, the third time? impotent WMDs = worthless. the US found a bunch of dead stock. way to go. no one cared about these bullshit stories of containers that were weaker than aspirins LOOOLOLOL.

Granted, there weren't any massive stock of WMD ever found in Iraq. BUT...

In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.
Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to
look in on a “chemical weapons” complex. “One of the bunkers has been tampered with,” they write. “The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.”

"Two positive results"? So that crap was still active?

C'mon, at least admit the "Chemical weapons" bunker was sort of interesting. So, maybe there are more buried that might still have something important in them.

foxnews.com May 17, 2004

LOOOLOLOL says it all.

Oh, please, spare me your condescension. Fox is perfectly capable of reporting regular news story without any ideological "spin". I could've used this link as well...

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb thought to contain deadly sarin nerve agent exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday. It was believed to be the first confirmed discovery of any of the banned weapons that the United States cited in making its case for the Iraq war.

msnbc.com
5/17/2004

And Lord knows, "left" leaning news networks never, ever add any ideological spin on to their news. LOOOLOLOL

"Chemical weapon labs"? Not "lab", but "labs"? And here I thought the mobile weapon lab stuff was debunked long ago as just more U.S. intel service failures.

"Insurgents who were specialists in toxins" and "Uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq".

I guess if the MSM doesn't report a story, it doesn't exist, huh?

fascinating stuff, bro. too bad it doesn't even bother to go into detail. i wonder why, LOOOLOLOL.

I have no damn idea why there wasn't more detail. It was quoted from Wikileaks. I've heard they possess thousands of Iraq war documents, with only God knows how many pages in each, all untranslated (or so I've heard). So, who really knows what the hell was going on with Iraq's WMD situation.

i guess the prize is you learning something, because this is like beating a child.

Actually, I've learned plenty way before you showed up.

For instance...

#1 Saddam's regime had supported almost every terror organization in the Mideast (Abu Nidal Organization, Hamas, Ansar al-Islam, Arab Liberation Front, Palestine Liberation Front/Abu Abbas, Kurdish Workers Party (PKK), Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK)
U.S. Department of State. November 17, 2003).

#2 Saddam had connections to Syria.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/31/syria.iraq

#3 Saddam had connections to Libya (in order to continue WMD development without Hans "Mr. Magoo" Blix interfering in everything).

"Some of Iraq's BW experts, according to a 1998 congressional task force, dispersed to Libya, Sudan and Algeria after the gulf war. Both Algeria and Syria reportedly still conduct bioweapons research."

newsweek.com
10/28/2001

I know it's from 1998. I posted it only to prove a connection.

Syria and Libya? so maybe that's where Saddam's large WMD stockpiles went before the invasion, if he still had any left?

Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, now director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, told reporters that U.S. surveillance satellites captured images of vehicle traffic dispersing WMD materiel to urban locations in Iraq and moving large quantities into Syria as well.

"Those below the senior leadership saw what was coming, and I think they went to extraordinary lengths to [dispose, destroy and disperse] the evidence," said Gen. Clapper.
"By the time that we got to a lot of these facilities...there wasn't that much there to look at. There was clearly an effort to disperse, bury and conceal certain equipment prior to inspections."
Gen. Clapper added that there is "no question" that people and WMD materiel were moved by truck convoys into Syria.

directorblue.blogspot.com
July 04, 2007

If true, very suspicious, even you must admit.

[Woland]

Maybe you just lack simple reading comprehension? LOOOLOLOL

So, who are all of these "terrorists" that the U.S. supports, in your opinion? Israel? LOOOLOLOL

Okay, the United States' support for Mubarak? Well, I can guarantee he was not even in the same league when it comes to pure evil as North Korea (who China and Russia support), the Sudan (China, again), Iran (North Korea and Russia, again) or Iraq under the Hussein regime (France, Germany, China and Russia, again).

um... have you ever looked up this 'coalition of the willing' your previous administration went on about? LOOOLOLOL.

why does the US give food and money to Kim Il Jung? LOOOLOLOL.

you care about Sudan but fail to mention what the US did in Somalia? how it supported Charles Taylor in Liberia?

LOOOLOLOL @ Iran. you mean after the islamic revolution kicked out the US sponsored Shah? boohoo!

or Iraq, after the US used Hussein to fight Iran LOOOLOLOL.

sorry, bro - but the US still sponsors more terrorists than any other country in the world. look up the SOAW for more info .

"Two positive results"? So that crap was still active?

C'mon, at least admit the "Chemical weapons" bunker was sort of interesting. So, maybe there are more buried that might still have something important in them.

i guess? this is how you're trying to justify the massacre of hundreds of thousands of people? really?

so why didn't the US just attack Russia, China or France in the first place?

oh, right. like speak the hungarian rapper would say, business.

Oh, please, spare me your condescension. Fox is perfectly capable of reporting regular news story without any ideological "spin". I could've used this link as well...

LOOOLOLOL no it isn't. they do a shit job just like most of your media does.

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb thought to contain deadly sarin nerve agent exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday. It was believed to be the first confirmed discovery of any of the banned weapons that the United States cited in making its case for the Iraq war.

snbc.com
5/17/2004

oh and msnbc is left leaning now? LOOOLOLOL. yeah. General Electric ( who also make weapons in the third world - not just cute toasters and shit ) are totally a socialist company!

oh, and the container blew up... i mean - what shit luck, right? there goes all the evidence .

I have no damn idea why there wasn't more detail. It was quoted from Wikileaks. I've heard they possess thousands of Iraq war documents, with only God knows how many pages in each, all untranslated (or so I've heard). So, who really knows what the hell was going on with Iraq's WMD situation.

doesn't mean that it's 'intelligence' that it's worth something. look at the arguments prior to the invasion LOOOLOLOL.

Actually, I've learned plenty way before you showed up.

For instance...

LOOOLOLOL you clearly haven't...

1. who cares. stop blaming someone else for something your country already does ( the US supports Fatah and Abbas - didn't you know this? they even made wikileaks and proved how they were another puppet of the US/Israel LOOOLOLOL ).

2. wow. connections to Syria. that's scary. i might have to call my jewy friends and tell them about the evil syrians coming.

3. wow. Lybia. the same country that's is allied to the US now. so scary. and LOOOLOLOL @ still hating on Blix for being right. that's so sad to not be able to let go.

did you ever ask yourself why saddam had to allow 'inspectors' while Israel never had to? but i guess that doesn't matter because they don't support terrorists ( even though they funded fatah, hamas, hezbollah... LOOOLOLOL ).

yeah, bro - hundreds of thousands of dead. and all you have is 'connections' and aerial shots.

but absolutely no fucking concrete proof.

i guess some never learn.

[MurrayFiend]

looololol at me actually trying to read this fucking thread.

[Woland]

looololol good luck. i got way too bored.

[EvilMadman]

Maybe you just lack simple reading comprehension? LOOOLOLOL

So, who are all of these "terrorists" that the U.S. supports, in your opinion? Israel? LOOOLOLOL

Okay, the United States' support for Mubarak? Well, I can guarantee he was not even in the same league when it comes to pure evil as North Korea (who China and Russia support), the Sudan (China, again), Iran (North Korea and Russia, again) or Iraq under the Hussein regime (France, Germany, China and Russia, again).

um... have you ever looked up this 'coalition of the willing' your previous administration went on about? LOOOLOLOL.

The United Kingdom, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Spain, Italy, Poland, and a bunch of USSR satellite states. So what? Definitely should have gotten support from Turkey, India and China (Yeah, I don't completely trust China's government. But they still could've helped to stabilize a region that they also depend on, given that they gulp down even more oil than the U.S. does LOOOLOLOL). Might have helped greatly with the rebuilding effort and the security situation with the extra troops/logistics.

why does the US give food and money to Kim Il Jung? LOOOLOLOL.

Because we're stupid! LOOOLOLOL

you care about Sudan but fail to mention what the US did in Somalia? how it supported Charles Taylor in Liberia?

We also pushed Charles Taylor out of Liberia (and rightfully so). LOOOLOLOL

What did the U.S. do in Somalia? Well, we were distributing food and other desperately needed supplies, that is, until these fucking retarded degenerates decided to poke their heads out of the sewer...



LOOOLOLOL

LOOOLOLOL @ Iran. you mean after the islamic revolution kicked out the US sponsored Shah? boohoo!

They would have WAY better off with the not anywhere near as awful Shah, then suffer 30 rotten years with a bunch of corrupt, illiterate, wife beaters in dirty turbans who think they're God's little helpers. LOOOLOLO

or Iraq, after the US used Hussein to fight Iran LOOOLOLOL.

Enable two of your enemies to fight amongst themselves, instead of them both planning attacks (or causing trouble) against you? Sounds like a smart (if slightly myopic, and maybe less than perfect) strategy to me. LOOOLOLOL

sorry, bro - but the US still sponsors more terrorists than any other country in the world. look up the SOAW for more info .

I know it's nowhere near the amount that Russia, Iran, Iraq (under Saddam Hussein), Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Egypt (i.e. The Muslim Brotherhood) have. LOOOLOLOL

The U.S. should have financed way more democracy reformers/advocates, and WAY less violent militia groups in South America. No disagreement from me on that one.

"Two positive results"? So that crap was still active?

C'mon, at least admit the "Chemical weapons" bunker was sort of interesting. So, maybe there are more buried that might still have something important in them.

i guess? this is how you're trying to justify the massacre of hundreds of thousands of people? really?

Hundreds of thousands of people would have still been butchered had the U.S./Coalition invasion not taken place. The ONLY hope for that EVER ending, was the ouster of Saddam Hussein's regime. FACT!

so why didn't the US just attack Russia, China or France in the first place?

They just would have vetoed the U.N. resolution authorizing any use of force. LOOOLOLOL

oh, right. like speak the hungarian rapper would say, business.

Yup. Just like every other nation on the globe for thousands of years. Quite the shock, I know. LOOOLOLOL

Oh, please, spare me your condescension. Fox is perfectly capable of reporting regular news story without any ideological "spin". I could've used this link as well...

LOOOLOLOL no it isn't. they do a shit job just like most of your media does.

Hey, finally something that we can both agree on! LOOOLOLOL

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb thought to contain deadly sarin nerve agent exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday. It was believed to be the first confirmed discovery of any of the banned weapons that the United States cited in making its case for the Iraq war.

snbc.com
5/17/2004

oh and msnbc is left leaning now? LOOOLOLOL. yeah. General Electric ( who also make weapons in the third world - not just cute toasters and shit ) are totally a socialist company!

Okay, then Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Ed Rendell, Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann (before he was crap canned LOOOLOLOL) etc. etc. are/were all insane Right-Wing Republicans. LOOOLOLOL

Third world weapon supplier, huh? Not nearly as much as what Russia and China supply. LOOOLOLOL

oh, and the container blew up... i mean - what shit luck, right? there goes all the evidence .

The U.S. military were still able to test it.

"The Iraq Survey Group has confirmed today that a 155 (mm) artillery round containing sarin nerve agent had been found. The round had been rigged as an IED (improvised explosive device) that was discovered by a U.S. force convoy," he said.
"A detonation occurred before the IED be could be rendered inoperable," Kimmitt said, adding that two members of an explosives team had been treated for exposure to the substance.
Kimmitt said the round, designed to mix the sarin in flight, belonged to a class of ordnance that the ousted government of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) claimed to have destroyed before the 1991 Gulf war.

Reuters.com
May 17, 2004

I have no damn idea why there wasn't more detail. It was quoted from Wikileaks. I've heard they possess thousands of Iraq war documents, with only God knows how many pages in each, all untranslated (or so I've heard). So, who really knows what the hell was going on with Iraq's WMD situation.

doesn't mean that it's 'intelligence' that it's worth something. look at the arguments prior to the invasion LOOOLOLOL.

That means a lot of other nations intelligence service provided info were also completely faulty? Wow! Hope that's not the case. Totally not a good thing, if true.

C'mon, Saddam was a verified terrorism financier/supporter, who committed a genocide, and who violated more than a couple of "Last Chance" U.N. Security Council resolutions over the course of a dozen years. What more intelligence was really necessary to finally fucking act?!

By LARRY NEUMEISTER Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - A federal judge Wednesday awarded nearly $104 million in damages to the families of two victims of the September 11 attacks, finding the plaintiffs had provided some evidence that Iraq provided support to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.
Judge Harold Baer outlined the damages against bin Laden, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and his Iraqi government in a written decision in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.
Baer said he had concluded that lawyers for the two victims "have shown, albeit barely ... that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al-Qaida."

And...

Statement of Laurie Mylroie to the
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
July 9, 2003
911commission.gov

Actually, I've learned plenty way before you showed up.

For instance...

LOOOLOLOL you clearly haven't...

Uh, yes I have. That is just your opinion. LOOOLOLOL

1. who cares. stop blaming someone else for something your country already does ( the US supports Fatah and Abbas - didn't you know this? they even made wikileaks and proved how they were another puppet of the US/Israel LOOOLOLOL ).

Wikileaks was created by Israel and the U.S.? What have you been smoking? And do you have any of it left? LOOOLOLOL

Yup, I knew that. The U.S. supports the corrupt murdering bad guys of Fatah and Abbas, over the slightly worse corrupt murdering bad guys of Hamas. Probably because the U.S. State Department, Defense Department and White House are all completely clueless as to how to deal with that situation. Palestine needs a real thorough cleaning Egypt and Tunisia style. LOOOLOLOL

2. wow. connections to Syria. that's scary. i might have to call my jewy friends and tell them about the evil syrians coming.

You don't have to tell 'em anything about Syria, looks like that they already figured it out...

Israelis ‘blew apart Syrian nuclear cache’

Andrew Semmel, a senior US State Department official, said Syria might have obtained nuclear equipment from “secret suppliers”, and added that there were a “number of foreign technicians” in the country.

Asked if they could be North Korean, he replied: “There are North Korean people there. There’s no question about that.” He said a network run by AQ Khan, the disgraced creator of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, could be involved.

But why would nuclear material be in Syria? Known to have chemical weapons, was it seeking to bolster its arsenal with something even more deadly?

thetimes.co.uk
September 16, 2007

LOOOLOLOL

3. wow. Lybia. the same country that's is allied to the US now. so scary. and LOOOLOLOL @ still hating on Blix for being right. that's so sad to not be able to let go.

They got rewarded with whatever the U.S. is promising them, for giving up their verified NUCLEAR PROGRAM (which I suspect was actually Saddam's)

But incompetence that great certainly deserves never ending derision. What are you, pro U.N.? LOOOLOLOL

did you ever ask yourself why saddam had to allow 'inspectors' while Israel never had to? but i guess that doesn't matter because they don't support terrorists ( even though they funded fatah, hamas, hezbollah... LOOOLOLOL ).

Uh, yeah, bro, REAL big difference between the free, liberal, democratic, rule of law state of Israel (entitled to a fair trial? certainly were not going to find that one under Saddam's rule LOOOLOLOL), and Iraq under the the Arab pseudo Nazi-fascist dictatorship that was Saddam Hussein's regime. Although, you probably don't see any difference at all, which just goes to show what you know. LOOOLOLOL

As far as I know, Israel never funded/supported Hezbollah, but they did fund/support Hamas in order to weaken Yasser Arafat/PLO. Which in hindsight, just ended up blowing up in their faces, literally.

yeah, bro - hundreds of thousands of dead. and all you have is 'connections' and aerial shots.

Yup. Probably around the same number of innocent people that got killed/maimed EVERY year under Saddam's regime. Extremely, horribly, tragic, yes. And the absolutely ONLY way that situation was EVER going to improve, was by forcing Saddam's entire regime from power.

but absolutely no fucking concrete proof.

There's more than enough circumstantial evidence.

i guess some never learn.

Yeah, like you. LOOOLOLOL

[Woland]

LOOOLOLOL this retard is all over the fucking place.

dude, re-read your own arguments. you can't go from vilifying Saddam, Russia and China, etc, for playing a role to putting everything the US does on a pedestal.

just your first argument... go look up Chavez and how many times he's been re-ecleted DEMOCRATICALLY looololol.

figure out the rest yourself. this has become dull.

[EvilMadman]

LOOOLOLOL this retard is all over the fucking place.

dude, re-read your own arguments. you can't go from vilifying Saddam, Russia and China, etc, for playing a role to putting everything the US does on a pedestal.

just your first argument... go look up Chavez and how many times he's been re-ecleted DEMOCRATICALLY looololol.

figure out the rest yourself. this has become dull.

No, "not all over the place". Only gave you my honest OPINION to EVERYTHING you posted in response. Why must people always resort to cheap insults when losing discussions? LOOOLOLOL

And I have NEVER posted ANYTHING implying whatever the U.S. does or has done, was absolutely perfect or wonderful or without any consequences etc. etc.

And you blindly condemn everything the U.S. does. LOOOLOLOL

Yeah, yeah, he's won A fair (I guess) election. And now a shit load of Venezuelans want him gone (my prediction, he'll be "DEMOCRATICALLY" re-ecleted [sic] for the next 32 years. That's how it works, right, Hosni? LOOOLOLOL).

Hey, I get it, you don't really mind the likes of Chavez, Castro, Saddam, Arafat, al-Assad etc.

Oh, and here's another one of my honest opinions (sure to knot your panties LOOOLOLOL), I truly believe everyone who had protested in Egypt owes George W. Bush and his toppling of Hussein (thus demonstrating that average civilian Arabs/Muslims, can easily manage their personal affairs and run a government, without a dictator or theocrat thug having to maintain "stability" or "peace", a very small "Thank You".

Clashes reported in Iran protests
Pro-reformist marches under way in Tehran despite a heavy security presence and police crackdown.
Last Modified: 14 Feb 2011 19:36 GMT


aljazeera.net/news

LOOOLOLOL

[Woland]

right. your honest opinion to everything, eh? you've been using outdated information to back your arguments that invading Iraq was justified. i have yet to see any current info that you have posted ( and god knows with wikileaks, there has been a shitload of it ) that backs your arguments.

but no, go dig up some fucking dead end worthless story from 1993 or what the fuck ever that some bozo wrote up. when there is tonnes of information available now that contradicts it.

losing discussions, right? you're grasping for straws when you put up dumb pics and make snide comments that make absolutely no sense ( LOOOLOLOL @ you watching blackhawk down one too many times. yeah, Elite Rangers are sent in to give food and supplies to people LOOOLOLOL. )

oh, and i've posted shit that said that Saddam was a fucking gem? again, i don't get your arguments.

Chavez won A fair election? you guess? you mean, only one? LOOOLOLOL. a shitload want him gone? hahaha. you mean a few rich people want him dead. like when they kidnapped him LOOOLOLOL.

LOOOLOLOL Hosni? there goes the guy that continued the peace process that Anwar Sadat had started with Israel. i dunno why you're laughing... i'm the one that should go LOOOLOLOL because they got rid of a US fascist client.

LOOOLOLOL let's see, the US supported the likes of

Pinochet ( the US sponsored a coup against democratically elected Allende )
Videla ( the US sponsored a coup against democratically elected de Peron )
Noriega ( i don't think i need to explain this one, eh? )
Francois and Jean-Claude Duvalier ( oh, right. radio haiti ring any bells? probably not. )
Trujillo ( classic cult of personality. )
Batista ( oh, yeah. so much better than Castro, right? )

that's just in the americas.

anyway, i don't see how this has to do with Bush. but you're allowed to your opinion.

to me, this a complete nightmare to the US. look at their fascist clients, ( like Bahrain, Yemen, Kuwait, Jordan, Tunisia, Algeria... basically, countries you skipped over as usual ) they're all offering concessions to the masses. money, yearly food supplies, even removing some silly laws... just so that they keep quiet. but they're not.

Israel is shitting their pants and i dunno why you're acting as if those protests in Iran are anything new... they've been happening before the US invaded Iraq the first time.

but yeah, enjoy posting more pics of elections that turned to shit.

unless you have something new to add ( and not from 199fucking3), i'm done with this.

[EvilMadman]

right. your honest opinion to everything, eh? you've been using outdated information to back your arguments that invading Iraq was justified. i have yet to see any current info that you have posted ( and god knows with wikileaks, there has been a shitload of it ) that backs your arguments.

but no, go dig up some fucking dead end worthless story from 1993 or what the fuck ever that some bozo wrote up. when there is tonnes of information available now that contradicts it.

I already mentioned previously that there wasn't anything "concrete", just a lot of "circumstantial evidence". So, cut me a little slack. LOOOLOLOL I still think ALL of the older info shouldn't just be discounted as complete nonsense. Bozo, who? I didn't believe anyone I quoted should be considered a "bozo". I never would have used it if I thought that.

losing discussions, right?

Geez, I was only joking about that. Don't get so defensive. Lighten up. LOOOLOLOL

yeah, Elite Rangers are sent in to give food and supplies to people LOOOLOLOL.

Uh, no. "Elite Rangers" generally do not give out food and supplies to civilians on aid missions, but they can protect U.S. and other U.N. AID workers, and pursue warlords and other assorted armed thugs who try and steal/intercept International Aid for themselves. Remember Aidid?

oh, and i've posted shit that said that Saddam was a fucking gem? again, i don't get your arguments.

Okay, okay, so you think he's a bad guy. Great. Then why be against his overthrow?

Chavez won A fair election? you guess? you mean, only one? LOOOLOLOL. a shitload want him gone? hahaha. you mean a few rich people want him dead. like when they kidnapped him LOOOLOLOL.

He's really wrecking what was already in pretty bad shape. And despite all of it's vast oil wealth, Venezuela is really fucked up now, or so I've heard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/world ... venez.html

LOOOLOLOL Hosni? there goes the guy that continued the peace process that Anwar Sadat had started with Israel. i dunno why you're laughing... i'm the one that should go LOOOLOLOL because they got rid of a US fascist client.

YES. The U.S. had long history of myopically supporting who it thinks is the safe bet. The only way to real lasting stability, peace in the middle east is through supporting democratic institutions and reformers and "moderates".

LOOOLOLOL let's see, the US supported the likes of

Pinochet ( the US sponsored a coup against democratically elected Allende )
Videla ( the US sponsored a coup against democratically elected de Peron )
Noriega ( i don't think i need to explain this one, eh? )
Francois and Jean-Claude Duvalier ( oh, right. radio haiti ring any bells? probably not. )
Trujillo ( classic cult of personality. )
Batista ( oh, yeah. so much better than Castro, right? )

that's just in the americas.

Once again. YES. The U.S. had history of myopically supporting who it thinks is the safe bet. The only way to real lasting stability, peace in the middle east is through supporting democratic institutions and reformers and "moderates". So, stop posting the same thing twice, when I heard you the first time. LOOOLOLOL

anyway, i don't see how this has to do with Bush. but you're allowed to your opinion.

I think Bush might have got the ball rolling, by shaking the status quo up a little bit. Might have made some people think who else could be overthrown. Don't know for a fact. Just saying it was possible. Cool. And you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

to me, this a complete nightmare to the US. look at their fascist clients, ( like Bahrain, Yemen, Kuwait, Jordan, Tunisia, Algeria... basically, countries you skipped over as usual ) they're all offering concessions to the masses. money, yearly food supplies, even removing some silly laws... just so that they keep quiet. but they're not.

A nightmare only if extremists takeover and cancel all future free elections.

Israel is shitting their pants and i dunno why you're acting as if those protests in Iran are anything new... they've been happening before the US invaded Iraq the first time.

Actually, Israel's main concern is probably the exact same main concern that the moderate Egyptians have at the moment, The Muslim Brotherhood. I doubt the Israelis are really panicking now.

but yeah, enjoy posting more pics of elections that turned to shit.

You mean, Iraq's elections? Hey, however imperfect Iraq's elections might have been (and they probably were. it really couldn't have been helped. that was the reality on the ground at the time, unfortunately), they were still WAY better than what Egypt had then, what Iran has now, what Syria has now, what Libya has now. The fact they even had a somewhat free, only slightly (by Iraq's standards) violent election, was a great thing for a region that really needed it.

unless you have something new to add ( and not from 199fucking3), i'm done with this.

Nope. You've probably already seen it all. LOOOLOLOL

[upinsmoke]

With what was mentioned on the Wikileaks document...

Julian Assange's web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.

"Chemical weapon labs"? Not "lab", but "labs"? And here I thought the mobile weapon lab stuff was debunked long ago as just more U.S. intel service failures.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41609536/ns ... tn_africa/

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LONDON — An Iraqi defector who went by the codename “Curveball” has publicly admitted for the first time that he made up stories about mobile bioweapons trucks and secret factories to try to bring down Saddam Hussein’s regime.

"I had a problem with the Saddam regime," Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who fled Iraq in 1995, told The Guardian newspaper. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."

Al-Janabi’s information was used in part by the U.S. as justification for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. More than 100,000 people, most of them Iraqi civilians, have died in the war. The U.S. began to withdraw its troops from Iraq last summer.

Janabi said he was comfortable with what he did, despite the war that ensued.

"Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he told the Guardian. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

[Woland]

^

LOOOLOLOL.

( actually, that's not as bad as the UK getting the 'downing street' memo from a taxi cab driver LOOOLOLOL. )

[Woland]

Demonstrators are demanding Latif Hamad al-Tarfa, the provincial governor, resign over poor basic services such as electricity and water.

They held up placards that said, "To all citizens: Electricity is only for officials", a reference to Iraq's dramatic shortfall in power provision.

"We demand that our rights be met, that we have better services and that the authorities fight corruption," Ali Mohsen, a 54-year-old professor at Wasit university, said.

"We demand that the governor resign ... all we need is services."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 47154.html

looks like shit is going well after all in Iraq.

one more bush pic for the road!

[EvilMadman]

With what was mentioned on the Wikileaks document...

Julian Assange's web site Wikileaks of classified documents reveals that U.S. military intelligence discovered chemical weapons labs, encountered insurgents who were specialists in the creation of toxins, and uncovered weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. However, Washington, DC officials and the news media have ignored this information.

"Chemical weapon labs"? Not "lab", but "labs"? And here I thought the mobile weapon lab stuff was debunked long ago as just more U.S. intel service failures.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41609536/ns ... tn_africa/

msnbc.com
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LONDON — An Iraqi defector who went by the codename “Curveball” has publicly admitted for the first time that he made up stories about mobile bioweapons trucks and secret factories to try to bring down Saddam Hussein’s regime.

"I had a problem with the Saddam regime," Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who fled Iraq in 1995, told The Guardian newspaper. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."

Al-Janabi’s information was used in part by the U.S. as justification for the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. More than 100,000 people, most of them Iraqi civilians, have died in the war. The U.S. began to withdraw its troops from Iraq last summer.

Janabi said he was comfortable with what he did, despite the war that ensued.

"Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he told the Guardian. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

Yeah, I've already seen that article a few days ago.

Oh, well, if old reliable "Curveball" says it, then it must be true.

Keep up the good work, Curvie? LOOOLOLOL

And speaking of people who "lie" and "fabricate", here's a delightful, completely ignored, news story by America's worst news agency. Enjoy! LOOOLOLOL

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

LOOOLOLOL

looks like shit is going well after all in Iraq.

You can't dismiss the righteous overthrow of one of the world's worst mass murdering dictators (FACT!), because of suffering from the identical problems with crumbling infrastructure that Iraq was faced with BEFORE the invasion. LOOOLOLOL

one more bush pic for the road!

Okay.

[cantstopthemusic]