Deficit Is Shrinking Quickly

[Sheep_Mafia]

Two questions:
What criteria will you use to determine whether Tommy voted properly?

What exactly are your qualifications?

When he stops asking incredulously why someone would say that Obama wasn't qualified for the POTUS gig, I'll see that as a sign that he is engaged enough in the process which is a start.

You vote dumb too so don't act like you know any better than Tommy does. Then to further complicate your bad vote, you avoid assigning accountability to the people you vote for like your life depends on it. Though I suppose if you did hold the people you vote for accountable, that might mean you have to hold yourself accountable for said poor voting. I'm sure that's not an option...

[Stoner]

What plans would those be? You actually see a plan?

I see a deficit that is shrinking for the first time in a long time and an economy that was saved from free fall. I admittedly haven't seen an actual formalized plan, but I'm not here to quibble about semantics. What I HAVE seen are policies and logic that were successfully implemented (for example, HARP, MHA, and The American Recovery and Reinvestment act) and I can see that things are heading in a much better direction economically than they were in 2008.

That and the fact that I know trickle down economics is a load of shit; but then again, even an idiot knows that.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Two questions:
What criteria will you use to determine whether Tommy voted properly?

What exactly are your qualifications?

When he stops asking incredulously why someone would say that Obama wasn't qualified for the POTUS gig, I'll see that as a sign that he is engaged enough in the process which is a start.

You vote dumb too so don't act like you know any better than Tommy does. Then to further complicate your bad vote, you avoid assigning accountability to the people you vote for like your life depends on it. Though I suppose if you did hold the people you vote for accountable, that might mean you have to hold yourself accountable for said poor voting. I'm sure that's not an option...

Deflection with ad hominem arguments... I didn't know you were liberal.

We both know where I stand. Now quit being a pussy and answer the questions.

[Sheep_Mafia]

What plans would those be? You actually see a plan?

I see a deficit that is shrinking for the first time in a long time and an economy that was saved from free fall. I admittedly haven't seen an actual formalized plan, but I'm not here to quibble about semantics. What I HAVE seen are policies and logic that were successfully implemented (for example, HARP, MHA, and The American Recovery and Reinvestment act) and I can see that things are heading in a much better direction economically than they were in 2008.

That and the fact that I know trickle down economics is a load of shit; but then again, even an idiot knows that.

I contend his entire strategy is to hang on and wait for the normal cycles in the economy to turn around. No plan other than that. Tax some folk here and there. And of course the sequester was his plan to so I guess there was that. There are positives in every President's terms legislation wise and every President has ups and downs in the economy, including W. This is the United States economy and it's not going to stay down forever whoever is in the White House. Every President always has on his side this fact--business wants to make money. They will try to make money and that helps the overall economy despite the government and their irresponsible ways. This has been and continues to be the slowest recovery since the depression. Obama voters won't hold him accountable for that and had McCain won I think its clear those same people would see it just as clearly as those of us who do hold Obama accountable for his job do.

Obama supporters who mock trickle down...what do you think we have now more than ever? The wealth divide continues to grow and the middle class is being virtually eliminated. Poverty is at record levels in many areas. Unemployment and underemployment at high levels are the new normal. A lot of folk seem to accept that but I don't. We can do a lot better.

[Sheep_Mafia]

Deflection with ad hominem arguments... I didn't know you were liberal.

We both know where I stand. Now quit being a pussy and answer the questions.

I answered your first question and as for the second, I'm not going to give out my personal info on this here internet. It should be self evident to you that I'm following along in the process of things and the mere fact that I can actually hold candidates for either party accountable lends to my credibility as a voter. I'm actually willing to vote for the best candidate regardless of if they are wearing a red or blue jersey. Calling me a liberal is a low blow by the way. Not cool. Insults are one thing but there has to be some standard of decency, even on Sludge.

Stop with the Perry Mason stuff by the way. I am not on trial and there will be no ah ha moments. Too bad you probably felt too held back by the mythical man to be all you could be and pursue something like the law. You would have sucked as a Prosecutor due to the aforementioned accountability assignment issues but you love to ask questions and deflect blame so I could see you working out as a defense attorney. If nothing else, the jury would probably be confused as to why you ask certain questions and think you must be on to something. Could of worked out for you.

[eddie lee roth]

I am working at my local and state level to get rid of establishment candidates..

and you?

I'm just going to bitch about things on a 80's hair metal message board, I'm getting just as much accomplished as you and I manage my time better too, sucker!!!

[Danzig in the Dark]

Deflection with ad hominem arguments... I didn't know you were liberal.

We both know where I stand. Now quit being a pussy and answer the questions.

I answered your first question and as for the second, I'm not going to give out my personal info on this here internet. It should be self evident to you that I'm following along in the process of things and the mere fact that I can actually hold candidates for either party accountable lends to my credibility as a voter. I'm actually willing to vote for the best candidate regardless of if they are wearing a red or blue jersey. Calling me a liberal is a low blow by the way. Not cool. Insults are one thing but there has to be some standard of decency, even on Sludge.

Stop with the Perry Mason stuff by the way. I am not on trial and there will be no ah ha moments. Too bad you probably felt too held back by the mythical man to be all you could be and pursue something like the law. You would have sucked as a Prosecutor due to the aforementioned accountability assignment issues but you love to ask questions and deflect blame so I could see you working out as a defense attorney. If nothing else, the jury would probably be confused as to why you ask certain questions and think you must be on to something. Could of worked out for you.

Your answer to the first question is that eddie lee roth need to agree with you in order to be qualified. Agreement with your views is not a valid criterion for judging others.

You were wrong when you claimed you didn't answer the second. You're just some anonymous dumbass talking shit on the internet, no more qualified than the rest of us anonymous posters.

By the way, it's "could have", not "could of". If you're going to pretend to be smarter than everyone else, at least get your third grade grammar correct first.

[Sheep_Mafia]

Your answer to the first question is that eddie lee roth need to agree with you in order to be qualified. Agreement with your views is not a valid criterion for judging others.

You were wrong when you claimed you didn't answer the second. You're just some anonymous dumbass talking shit on the internet, no more qualified than the rest of us anonymous posters.

By the way, it's "could have", not "could of". If you're going to pretend to be smarter than everyone else, at least get your third grade grammar correct first.

What's this got to do with ELR? Get your story straight.

Grammar on the Metal Sludge site....You "could have" not been a dumb ass and talk about grammar on a hair metal site but you decided to just give up altogether on any valid argument....

All that aside, probably not too late to be a lawyer. I know you said you needed a time machine to start a business or do something productive, but you can do it. Right now, there is some criminal soul out there about to take a plea bargain and go to jail because his lawyer, knowing his client is guilty, recommends it. That criminal needs you. He needs a lawyer that will say anything in order to point the finger of blame at someone else for his crimes.

[Dr J Jones]

Liberals deflect more than anyone i have ever seen. It's fucking mind boggling.

If there were actually none of the above then they would be FORCED to put up a qualified candidate. .

You chastised voters for failing to select 'qualified' candidates and when prompted for suggestions for more suitable candidates, you responded that none exist. If you can't find a 'qualified' candidate to support, how do you expect others to do so?

Before any sort of meaningful change could take place with the candidate selection process in this country folks like you and your counterparts on the right would have to be willing to put integrity before ideology.
I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

[Dr J Jones]

[Dr J Jones]

[Stoner]

Before any sort of meaningful change could take place with the candidate selection process in this country folks like you and your counterparts on the right would have to be willing to put integrity before ideology.
I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

What a weak ass cop-out; chastise people for who they voted for but refuse to name a suitable (or any) alternative. You and NeverSurrender should become life-partners.

I contend his entire strategy is to hang on and wait for the normal cycles in the economy to turn around. No plan other than that.

I'd hardly categorize the biggest deficit reduction since WWII a "normal cycle". I do not believe Obama is any sort of savior or even a liberal, much less a great president, but to deny that is simply a refusal to give credit where credit is due.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Your answer to the first question is that eddie lee roth need to agree with you in order to be qualified. Agreement with your views is not a valid criterion for judging others.

You were wrong when you claimed you didn't answer the second. You're just some anonymous dumbass talking shit on the internet, no more qualified than the rest of us anonymous posters.

By the way, it's "could have", not "could of". If you're going to pretend to be smarter than everyone else, at least get your third grade grammar correct first.

What's this got to do with ELR? Get your story straight.

Tommy2Tone or ELR, you still didn't explain why your opinion is more valid than any other and how it should be a standard by which to measure others.

Grammar on the Metal Sludge site....You "could have" not been a dumb ass and talk about grammar on a hair metal site but you decided to just give up altogether on any valid argument....

What I've given up on is expecting a valid argument from you.

All that aside, probably not too late to be a lawyer. I know you said you needed a time machine to start a business or do something productive, but you can do it. Right now, there is some criminal soul out there about to take a plea bargain and go to jail because his lawyer, knowing his client is guilty, recommends it. That criminal needs you. He needs a lawyer that will say anything in order to point the finger of blame at someone else for his crimes.

What's the point of this weak ass flame?

[Moggio]

^^^^^^^^^^^^




The US National Debt when Bush Jnr. exited in 2009:

10.6 TRILLION

The current US National Debt under Obama (more than ALL 40+ Presidents COMBINED and in ONLY less than 4 years):

16.8 TRILLION+

Try again Moggio

http://www.snopes.com/politics/politici ... aldebt.asp

That doesn't detract from ANYTHING I've stated.

Holy jumping shit-balls, you're stupid.

I see a deficit that is shrinking for the first time in a long time and an economy that was saved from free fall. I admittedly haven't seen an actual formalized plan, but I'm not here to quibble about semantics. What I HAVE seen are policies and logic that were successfully implemented (for example, HARP, MHA, and The American Recovery and Reinvestment act) and I can see that things are heading in a much better direction economically than they were in 2008.

You can't be serious?!

Obama handled the Housing Bubble Crisis and recovery in the WORST way imaginable. Believe it or not, it was a crash that NEEDED to let run its course, so the creation of the imminently-bursting Currency/Treasuries Bubble that is now on the horizon, could be avoided. But instead, Obama's socialistic Keynesianism BS got in the way and clogged the economy up like a shit-filled toilet. He apparently thinks that over-seeing the printing of $100 BILLION per month and borrowing over $3 BILLION per day is somehow going to offset this mess and push the economy in the right direction, despite the FACT it's not happening. Also, interest and inflation rates now have to be ARTIFICIALLY manipulated at 0% or nearly 0%, otherwise the REAL crash would've already happened. And hence, any economic growth that's currently happening is ARTIFICIAL. What Obama's essentially doing is creating a Currency/Treasuries Bubble. And when it bursts in the next few years, we will be going into a DEPRESSION, which will make the current crisis look like a fucking PICNIC.

But wait, there's more: there are now 47+ million Americans on food stamps, as opposed to the 32 million 5 years ago. And the Employment Rate (or Labor Participation Rate) is the lowest its been since May of 1979 at 63.3% (despite the fact the population has grown over 40% since that point) and has consistently dropped almost every month since early 2000.

Many UK/European nations are worse off than we are but not only because of the complexities surrounding the Euro and the affects of the Housing Bubble Crisis but also because they have more socialist policies embedded within their Mixed Economies than we do. Yes, that's right...the US does NOT live in a Capitalist Economy and hasn't since the Roaring Twenties. If they did, since Capitalist Economies don't ALLOW bailouts or minimal to no Government interference in the markets, the bankers wouldn't have had the incentive to create the Housing Bubble in the first place because they'd be more than aware that they would NOT be getting a bailout...and hence, the Housing Bubble Crisis would've NEVER happened, nor would we have to worry about the existence of the imminently-bursting Currrency/Treasuries Bubble. It's better to have ONE crash and ONE recovery than TWO. But unfortunately, that shit-filled toilet is about to explode!

One may ask, out of all the countries that were affected by the Housing Bubble Crisis, was there a nation that handled the crisis the CORRECT way? Yes, there was. It was Iceland. In short, they did NOT bail out the banks and instead jailed the bankers. And as a result, their recovery only lasted less than two years. They are now back to prosperity.

This begs another question. And that is, why didn't Obama adopt principles from the Austrian or Chicago School of Economics or implement similar tactics to correct this mess like Iceland successfully did? Well, let's just say, apart from him not knowing JACK SHIT ALL about economics, needing to get re-elected and the fact that Goldman Sachs funds a major portion of his campaign, that kind of precluded it...

[Dr J Jones]

Before any sort of meaningful change could take place with the candidate selection process in this country folks like you and your counterparts on the right would have to be willing to put integrity before ideology.
I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

What a weak ass cop-out; chastise people for who they voted for but refuse to name a suitable (or any) alternative. You and NeverSurrender should become life-partners.

I fail to see a "weak ass cop out. I was asked to name a candidate that I thought was qualified...I said that out of the current lying pieces of shit that we have to choose from ..I can't find one so....until we REJECT all of these lying pieces of shit and force both parties to put up an honest candidate then we will continue to have perpetual fail in the white house.

I wish I could name a person currently known...but right now I don't see one. So..Let's tell both parties to come up with someone better...ok..maybe I'm asking too much...can we just get a guy who isn't a fucking liar.

I don't care if you get a blowjob in the Oval office...in fact I am for that..just don't fucking lie about it.
I don't even care if you failed our diplomats overseas..just don't fucking lie about it.

Can we get a honest president?

[eddie lee roth]

Perhaps you should move to fantasyland.

[Turner Coates]

And when it bursts in the next few years, we will be going into a DEPRESSION, which will make the current crisis look like a fucking PICNIC.

Canada's gonna have a "depression"?......and is currently having a "crisis"?......or did you paraphrase that from an article you googled about the USA?
Note that you said, "WE", and you are Canadian.

See how you are?

[Danzig in the Dark]

Before any sort of meaningful change could take place with the candidate selection process in this country folks like you and your counterparts on the right would have to be willing to put integrity before ideology.
I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

What a weak ass cop-out; chastise people for who they voted for but refuse to name a suitable (or any) alternative. You and NeverSurrender should become life-partners.

I fail to see a "weak ass cop out. I was asked to name a candidate that I thought was qualified...I said that out of the current lying pieces of shit that we have to choose from ..I can't find one so....until we REJECT all of these lying pieces of shit and force both parties to put up an honest candidate then we will continue to have perpetual fail in the white house.

I wish I could name a person currently known...but right now I don't see one. So..Let's tell both parties to come up with someone better...ok..maybe I'm asking too much...can we just get a guy who isn't a fucking liar.

I don't care if you get a blowjob in the Oval office...in fact I am for that..just don't fucking lie about it.
I don't even care if you failed our diplomats overseas..just don't fucking lie about it.

Can we get a honest president?

We can't even get an honest answer.

[Dr J Jones]

What is not honest? THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO QUALIFIED "HONEST" CANDIDATES! WTF is so hard to understand? They are all lying pieces of shit. And you gladly accept that so YOUR party keeps putting them up KNOWING that sheep like you will vote for them. And that goes for the weak ass sheeple on the right too? What if your spouse or significant other lied to you on a daily basis? Would you stay with them?...my guess is probably...


Why don' t you demand a better honest president? I have yet to see you even attempt to answer one single question EVER on this board. Deflect and defend your lying sack of shit of a president. That is all you do.

But it will never change the fact that YOUR president is an inept liar.


Barack and Bush = 16 years of inept liars.

[Danzig in the Dark]

What is not honest? THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO QUALIFIED "HONEST" CANDIDATES! WTF is so hard to understand? They are all lying pieces of shit. And you gladly accept that so YOUR party keeps putting them up KNOWING that sheep like you will vote for them. And that goes for the weak ass sheeple on the right too? What if your spouse or significant other lied to you on a daily basis? Would you stay with them?...my guess is probably...


Why don' t you demand a better honest president? I have yet to see you even attempt to answer one single question EVER on this board. Deflect and defend your lying sack of shit of a president. That is all you do.

But it will never change the fact that YOUR president is an inept liar.


Barack and Bush = 16 years of inept liars.

What is not honest? That's a good question. Is it a matter of degree or volume? Perhaps a zero tolerance policy? What are your criteria? Like Diogenes, you search for an honest man. How will you know when you've found one that meets your standards?

[Moggio]

And when it bursts in the next few years, we will be going into a DEPRESSION, which will make the current crisis look like a fucking PICNIC.

Canada's gonna have a "depression"?......and is currently having a "crisis"?......or did you paraphrase that from an article you googled about the USA?
Note that you said, "WE", and you are Canadian.

See how you are?

Are you stupid?

The Employment Rate in Canada hasn't been released for 2-3 years. Wtf do you think that is?!

You've been OWNED once again.

See how you are?

[eddie lee roth]

Obama handled the Housing Bubble Crisis and recovery in the WORST way imaginable. Believe it or not, it was a crash that NEEDED to let run its course

If that happened then the banks would have gone under, when that happens everything goes, which in turns affects markets all over the world, so yea you're a little off base there dumbass, if you think it wouldn't effect you it would, your boss would not have the money to pay you to stay on washing dishes.

[Constantine]

Obama has been nothing but nasty and incompetent. Adding trillions to debt and a completely unmanageable mess called Obamacare to a country who cant even pay its obligations. This will make him and his party as the traitors they are forever. Those obligations, not wars have doomed your future generations.

Communism/fascism : those are the real facts leading to this never ending death spiral. And the libtards know it.

[KneelandBobDylan]

Obama has been nothing but nasty and incompetent. Adding trillions to debt and a completely unmanageable mess called Obamacare to a country who cant even pay its obligations. This will make him and his party as the traitors they are forever. Those obligations, not wars have doomed your future generations.

Communism/fascism : those are the real facts leading to this never ending death spiral. And the libtards know it.

I see you don't know the difference between the two. It figures. It's impossible to be a fascist and a communist.

[Turner Coates]

The Employment Rate in Canada hasn't been released for 2-3 years. Wtf do you think that is?!

Huh?

[Tommy2Tone84]

What plans would those be? You actually see a plan?

I see a deficit that is shrinking for the first time in a long time and an economy that was saved from free fall. I admittedly haven't seen an actual formalized plan, but I'm not here to quibble about semantics. What I HAVE seen are policies and logic that were successfully implemented (for example, HARP, MHA, and The American Recovery and Reinvestment act) and I can see that things are heading in a much better direction economically than they were in 2008.

That and the fact that I know trickle down economics is a load of shit; but then again, even an idiot knows that.

I contend his entire strategy is to hang on and wait for the normal cycles in the economy to turn around. No plan other than that. Tax some folk here and there. And of course the sequester was his plan to so I guess there was that. There are positives in every President's terms legislation wise and every President has ups and downs in the economy, including W. This is the United States economy and it's not going to stay down forever whoever is in the White House. Every President always has on his side this fact--business wants to make money. They will try to make money and that helps the overall economy despite the government and their irresponsible ways. This has been and continues to be the slowest recovery since the depression. Obama voters won't hold him accountable for that and had McCain won I think its clear those same people would see it just as clearly as those of us who do hold Obama accountable for his job do.

Obama supporters who mock trickle down...what do you think we have now more than ever? The wealth divide continues to grow and the middle class is being virtually eliminated. Poverty is at record levels in many areas. Unemployment and underemployment at high levels are the new normal. A lot of folk seem to accept that but I don't. We can do a lot better.

Thanks for proving Stoner's point SM.

You also might want to check some actual historical facts about the Depression and the recovery during Hoover's first and only term between 1929-1933, compared to Barry's.

This article is a good starting point but next try opening a book after reading through this primer.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... vs-hoover/

[Danzig in the Dark]

I see a deficit that is shrinking for the first time in a long time and an economy that was saved from free fall. I admittedly haven't seen an actual formalized plan, but I'm not here to quibble about semantics. What I HAVE seen are policies and logic that were successfully implemented (for example, HARP, MHA, and The American Recovery and Reinvestment act) and I can see that things are heading in a much better direction economically than they were in 2008.

That and the fact that I know trickle down economics is a load of shit; but then again, even an idiot knows that.

I contend his entire strategy is to hang on and wait for the normal cycles in the economy to turn around. No plan other than that. Tax some folk here and there. And of course the sequester was his plan to so I guess there was that. There are positives in every President's terms legislation wise and every President has ups and downs in the economy, including W. This is the United States economy and it's not going to stay down forever whoever is in the White House. Every President always has on his side this fact--business wants to make money. They will try to make money and that helps the overall economy despite the government and their irresponsible ways. This has been and continues to be the slowest recovery since the depression. Obama voters won't hold him accountable for that and had McCain won I think its clear those same people would see it just as clearly as those of us who do hold Obama accountable for his job do.

Obama supporters who mock trickle down...what do you think we have now more than ever? The wealth divide continues to grow and the middle class is being virtually eliminated. Poverty is at record levels in many areas. Unemployment and underemployment at high levels are the new normal. A lot of folk seem to accept that but I don't. We can do a lot better.

Thanks for proving Stoner's point SM.

You also might want to check some actual historical facts about the Depression and the recovery during Hoover's first and only term between 1929-1933, compared to Barry's.

This article is a good starting point but next try opening a book after reading through this primer.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... vs-hoover/

[Moggio]

Obama handled the Housing Bubble Crisis and recovery in the WORST way imaginable. Believe it or not, it was a crash that NEEDED to let run its course

If that happened then the banks would have gone under, when that happens everything goes, which in turns affects markets all over the world, so yea you're a little off base there dumbass, if you think it wouldn't effect you it would, your boss would not have the money to pay you to stay on washing dishes.

What a bunch of SHIT. That's what the left-bias mainstream media want you to believe. If the banks hadn't been bailed out, unemployment definitely would've been very high IN THE BEGINNING...but the recovery would NOT have taken this long, nor would we have to worry about the existence of the now imminently-bursting Currency/Treasuries Bubble. And next time, quote my ENTIRE post. It explicitly contradicts your above ignorant ramblings, dipshit.

The Employment Rate in Canada hasn't been released for 2-3 years. Wtf do you think that is?!

Huh?

[Turner Coates]

The Employment Rate in Canada hasn't been released for 2-3 years. Wtf do you think that is?!

"released"? Wrong again, Moggio:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/unemployment-stats/



2011: http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=16

[Moggio]

The Employment Rate in Canada hasn't been released for 2-3 years. Wtf do you think that is?!

"released"? Wrong again, Moggio:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/unemployment-stats/



2011: http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/[email protected]?iid=16

Since when is the Unemployment Rate the same thing as the Employment Rate?!