You don't get it at all. The point is that people can and do change. the point is that people were just as racist in the city in which you live as they were anywhere else, and probably still are. If they're still racist, then they haven't changed a whole lot, have they ? Christ, you're a bleeding i...

You don't get it at all. The point is that people can and do change. the point is that people were just as racist in the city in which you live as they were anywhere else, and probably still are. Your intolerance is not much different from the racism you claim to abhor, that is the point. You are n...

I have another question for you, Juggernaut. Does your city have a predominantly black ghetto? If so, how do you think it came to be? Because at one time it was required segregation, even in supposedly enlightened Canada. So don't think that the views of the past that you look down on didn't apply ...

I have another question for you, Juggernaut. Does your city have a predominantly black ghetto? If so, how do you think it came to be? Because at one time it was required segregation, even in supposedly enlightened Canada. So don't think that the views of the past that you look down on didn't apply ...

You made a smarmy answer to upinsmoke's question, and said sure. When he reiterated the question, you asked him if he had a question. That's it ? That's the end of the discussion with him ? When I say "claimed" I am not implying that he wasn't in the Klan at one time. I am saying that I d...

I never justified the Klan's activities, you can lie about that all you want and it won't change the facts. Explanation is not the same as justification. Yes, you did. Byrd was a leader in the Klan. You tried to mitigate his membership (not to mention his leadership) in the Klan by saying it was a ...

It's not irrelevant at all. Is Byrd himself accused of taking any lives? and you're lying when you say i justified Byrd's leadership role in the KKK or his membership, period. Explanation and justification are two different things. If I say Hitler dragged Europe into WWII, am I justifying his actio...

Irrelevant. You justified Byrd's LEADERSHIP role in the KKK, a VIOLENT hate group, because his views were mainstream for their time. You say Vick's involvement in dog fighting being a cultural thing is bullshit because dog fighting has been illegal for decades. Well, lots of the violent acts commit...

None of them did. First of all Presidents are executives, not legislators. Second, murder has been illegal since before recorded history even began, from everything we can tell. If you need a first written instance I imagine it's in the Code of Hammurabi. Ok good. So we've established that Klan mem...

Which President made murder illegal ? None of them did. First of all Presidents are executives, not legislators. Second, murder has been illegal since before recorded history even began, from everything we can tell. If you need a first written instance I imagine it's in the Code of Hammurabi. Ok go...

Byrd was racist. I can't see spinning that. Oh, they can try with their apologist bullshit about it being mainstream. However, here's the catch - Michael Vick was raised in a dog fighting culture. Growing up, to him, dog fighting was mainstream. A significant amount of people know this, especially ...

I think it would be a monumental mistake politically for Romney to get the nod in 2012. It will be another Clinton/Dole showdown, with Obama winning. I think Obama will win in 2012 regardless of his lazy performance so far. The Republican party, although strong at the state level, has no national l...

Byrd was racist. I can't see spinning that. Oh, they can try with their apologist bullshit about it being mainstream. However, here's the catch - Michael Vick was raised in a dog fighting culture. Growing up, to him, dog fighting was mainstream. A significant amount of people know this, especially ...

Yeah, pretty much. So...does an earlier thought pattern preclude a change of heart? Depends on the conviction of the beliefs and the age which constitutes "earlier". Radical views don't usually 180 with time. They sometimes soften, but remain intact at their core. We're not talking about ...

By my count, we have at least two confirmed liberals that have bowed out rather than choosing Obama over Bush. That's a bit telling to me. I don't know what that portends for 2012, but, I do think president Obama is not as popular now as he once was. The GOP could win it back depending on who they ...

Drunk Kennedy wrote:that same question would then needed to be answered about obamas entire staff.

The better question would be if Biden has to have Obama included.

Yeah, pretty much. So...does an earlier thought pattern preclude a change of heart? Depends on the conviction of the beliefs and the age which constitutes "earlier". Radical views don't usually 180 with time. They sometimes soften, but remain intact at their core. We're not talking about ...

Yeah, pretty much. So...does an earlier thought pattern preclude a change of heart? Depends on the conviction of the beliefs and the age which constitutes "earlier". Radical views don't usually 180 with time. They sometimes soften, but remain intact at their core. We're not talking about ...

upinsmoke wrote:Do you have more than a ready-made opinion?

As opposed to an opinion not already formed or thought about ?

Sure, what exactly? I didn't make a statement. Do you have definitive proof Byrd was a racist until the end, or are you relying on the "Where there's smoke in the past, there's fire now" assessment? I'm not going to claim that Byrd WASN'T a racist until the end, because political aspirati...

Do you think it was possible that...y'know...maybe...Byrd might have changed his mind about the race issue? Was it just a political ploy, or was it a change of heart? Sure. And Obama had a change of heart and started to love his country after distancing himself from Wright after being called on it....

LOL @ "the community organizer." Last I checked, he was your president, too. I'm tired of his fuckups, but I still get some small pleasure out of knowing how it pisses idiots like you off. :lol: at your dumb ass thinking it pisses me off. It was his greatest acomplishment in life before h...

Discounting the fact that the ghastly swine looks like she only knows how to locate chocolate factories and fried food, here's some more laughable information about her > Peggy West was elected 12th District Supervisor in 2004 and, after being reelected in 2008, is serving her second term represent...

Not an email, but I appreciate the opinions. I just want to get a feel for everyone's thoughts on the subject. So you don't feel that what's happening down there warrants more action than the Feds have taken so far? It does, indeed. I was simply raising the point that I wouldn't expect McCain to be...

Maybe so Juggs, but to me there's a difference between Amnesty for illegals already here and letting Mexican warlord thugs rule the border (and well inside it) with their brand of lawlessness. I sincerely doubt McCain with his military background and sensibility would take this shit lying down. The...

Add your own thoughts, opinions, etc. I'm pretty jaded these days politically but this shit has me incensed. I cannot BELIEVE the stuff going down on our Southern Border and the complete inaction by our federal government. Just to recap: -The United States has an illegal immigration problem. The Fe...

I know most people in Washington are lawyers. However, Obama's side of the fence are also huge union guys.[/color][/size] And how does that make them different from any other president's guys? Other than, of course, Obama's pledge to be different. You don't know how a staff of union reps, pro union...

I'd be more inclined to agree it was a shakedown if, you know, there was some reason they shouldn't be establishing the fund. "Shakedown" implies that it is wrong for BP to pony up the money. Argue all you want about methods, but can you honestly say that BP shouldn't be paying for this? ...