Oh great, the "Obama expanding government" argument. Quick, name one president in the last 80 years who didn't expand the government. the only reason I bring up Obama is because right now he's the one in power, but to me it's not a partisan issue, the government should not be expanded by ...

say what you want about the Teabaggers, but when I hear a story like this, I can understand where they're coming from, obviously there's a lot more going on with them other than wanting lower taxes and a fiscally responsible government, but when I hear stories like this, it makes my blood boil, espe...

back when it was more of a hot button issue, Bane and I went back and forth quite a lot on the mandate, he saw it as a necessary evil, which, without a public option I guess it was, I was always dead set against it, he, along with EYU made some really good points about how without a public option, i...

Actually this board has run pretty much across the board against a health care mandate. I've gotten into arguments, actually, debates is probably a better word with a few people that were for them, or at least saw it as a necessary evil like Bane, Ugmo, EYU and Pooldude, not that they were all gung...

what I'm seeing in this thread are a bunch of people who think the government has no right to drug test welfare recipients (which I basically agree with) because it's unconstitutional, they've committed no crime, and basically it's none of the government's business how they live their lives. But man...

the war on drugs is set up as unwinnable by design, so many people make their living off of it, law enforcement at every level, prosecutors, defense lawyers, judges, prison guards, without dealers, growers, and users to go after, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs, and a lot of government ...

A huge new bureaucracy? How much of a bureaucracy is it for parole officers to test people on parole? They can have you piss in a cup when you do your reporting and test it right there, and call the judge. There's a HUGE difference between testing somebody who's on public aid and the government tes...

philosophically, I tend to agree that this should be implemented, but the reality is that we're talking about bigger government and more bureaucracy, and in that case no thanks. But even if they did implement it, should it stop with people on welfare? How about everyone on unemployment, or anyone wh...

... Obama's "broken promises." What are you going to do, not vote for him again next time? You mean like liberals crying about Bush "spending like a drunken sailor'"? No, that's not remotely the same thing. Conservatives can criticize Obama for whatever they want, that's fine. W...

I don't know why the guy won, but I'm glad he did because it will make it that much harder for the dems to push through their terribly flawed health care plan, they elected a republican governor a few years ago, so it's not like they're all a bunch of flaming liberals who'll vote blindly for any dem...

the government takes 30% of what I make right off the top, what I do with the rest should be my business, not theirs Okay, well then I respectfully disagree, as when people choose not to spend some of their disposable income on health insurance, the costs get divided amongst everyone else. Hell, I ...

I agree that isn't very realistic either, but so many people are gung ho about the health care mandate that I have to wonder how much government control they would welcome into their lives here's a thread I posted a few months back about how nearly as many people in the US are "food insecure&q...

I've asked this before and never gotten an answer, if the mandate is such a good idea, what other goods or services should the government mandate we buy? How far should this go? I don't know... what else are you thinking about? I can tell you that in Austria I have to pay my taxes and I have to pay...

Those people aren't exactly filing taxes anyway Juggs. I wondered about that. Seeing as how we'll be mandated that everyone legally in the country will be insured, do we still have to pay for their emergency care? of course we will, and illegal's aren't the only people who don't file taxes, these p...

there are a lot of what ifs out there, should the government force us to insure ourselves against all of them, where should it stop? I went without insurance for years, and when I got sick and went to the doctor, I paid for my visit and my prescriptions, sometimes it took me a while, but I always p...

with all the money the government wastes, I'm not thrilled with the rate of taxes I pay, but the mandate is a whole different story, it sets a dangerous precedent in my opinion, and would take us down a road to more and more government control. I don't need the government telling me how to spend my...

with all the money the government wastes, I'm not thrilled with the rate of taxes I pay, but the mandate is a whole different story, it sets a dangerous precedent in my opinion, and would take us down a road to more and more government control. I don't need the government telling me how to spend my ...

if this passes, it's not outside the realm of possibility that someone could be sent to jail for not purchasing health insurance

so much for living in a free society

Okay, fine. In that case call him out on the mandate rather than feigning outrage about other broken promises that you aren't actually upset about. Personally, I live in a country where I am forced to purchase health insurance. And yes, it's a lot of money, but at least I'm paying for my own insura...

has it occured to anyone that maybe, just maybe, some of the Repubs are fighting Obama's health care reform because it seemingly puts the needs of big corporations before the needs of the common citizen, the insurance industry stands to make a kiling if we're all forced by law to do business with t...

I don't see anything insincere about wanting the best for your country, even when the guy you didn't vote for wins, and when a guy promises not to raise taxes on the middle class and says he's against a health care mandate, then totally abandons those positions, and wants to enact a mandate, and ra...

has it occured to anyone that maybe, just maybe, some of the Repubs are fighting Obama's health care reform because it seemingly puts the needs of big corporations before the needs of the common citizen, the insurance industry stands to make a kiling if we're all forced by law to do business with th...

I don't see anything insincere about wanting the best for your country, even when the guy you didn't vote for wins, and when a guy promises not to raise taxes on the middle class and says he's against a health care mandate, then totally abandons those positions, and wants to enact a mandate, and rai...

I'm not a conservative, but I do think Obama should be called more on his bullshit, perhaps the more it's talked about, the more people who did vote for him will realize he was willing to do or say anything to get elected, and keep that in mind next time around, sure, he's just another lying politic...

if it's shown on C-span, how would the the douchebags who interrupted the town hall meetings have the same chance to interrupt the debates? It's not like people are asking to be there, we just want the kind of open government Obama and the dems have been talking about since the Bush administration w...

Anybody know when the live coverage of the health reform debate on C-SPAN begins? Can't find it anywhere. That's a good thing. Last thing the reconciliation negotiations need is a bunch of moronic tea partiers fucking up the process. oh please, it's just one more promise our esteemed leader didn't ...

this whole health care mess reeks of corruption, the dems have been having to bribe each other to get the bill passed, Mr Transparency has met behind closed doors with Big Pharma, all the times Obama has lied or gone back on his word, the whole thing reeks of corrupt Chicago politics

oh wait

I think the SCOTUS response will be very interesting. It could go either way, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they struck it down. If you are referring to the mandate, I would be surprised if any of the conservatives oppose it since the mandate means a big pay out to health insurance c...

you mean to tell me that Harry Reid, a Mormon made a racist statement? shocking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints From 1849 to 1978, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) had a policy against ordaining black men of Af...

the cigarette tax is one, another one is the penalty you'll be assessed if the health care mandate is passed and you don't buy health insurance, Obama's tried to deny it's a tax, but it's collected by the IRS, and called a tax by the senate finance committee, his lying is compounded by the fact tha...