Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

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Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Dyslexicheart » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:45 pm

Yes. I seem to remember a Cream or Circus magazine back from the early 80's. The cover topic was TNWOBHM and the biggest band shot of several on the cover was Def Leppard. Of course my memory is slightly hazy from those days
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Mojo » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:46 pm

Is Def Leppard considered HM? Like, compared with Maiden, Saxon, etc, I don't see how they'd be in the same league.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Dyslexicheart » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:48 pm

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Is Def Leppard considered HM? Like, compared with Maiden, Saxon, etc, I don't see how they'd be in the same league.
They were close enough pre-Hysteria I think.They were a slightly rawer band with Willis and Clark on guitar
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by HueyRamone » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:50 pm

During NWOBHM, they were NWOBHM.

Once the moment passed the NWOBHM bands that survived became whatever they became and the ones who died out stayed NWOBHM bands.

Tygers of Pan Tang, Diamond Head, Angel Witch - Forever NWOBHM.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Mojo » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:51 pm

Dyslexicheart wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:48 pm
Mojo wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:46 pm
Is Def Leppard considered HM? Like, compared with Maiden, Saxon, etc, I don't see how they'd be in the same league.
They were close enough pre-Hysteria I think.They were a slightly rawer band with Willis and Clark on guitar
Fair enough. I love me some of that earlier, two-armed Def Leppard.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

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HueyRamone wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:50 pm
During NWOBHM, they were NWOBHM.

Once the moment passed the NWOBHM bands that survived became whatever they became and the ones who died out stayed NWOBHM bands.

Tygers of Pan Tang, Diamond Head, Angel Witch - Forever NWOBHM.
Yeah, pretty well-stated
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by exitflagger » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:57 pm

As someone said, they were THE nwobhm band at the very beginning of the movement. I saw them right off the boat on their first tour and they were a fucking killing machine at that time. From there it was just a matter of separating themselves from all of their balls and one of their arms to become the pile of crap we know them to be today.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Anthrax442 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:35 pm

Essentially, when they traded Pete for Phil was when they switched. But On Through the Night and High N Dry are totally NWOBHM. Church groups warned that they might be satanic due to the divers body position in an inverted cross on the cover of High N Dry.

Pete may have been a drunk, but I never totally bought them sacking the one guy in the band that looked like a troll and bringing in a pretty boy from Girl when they were trying to become massive stars.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by marky-boy2 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:52 pm

they were more in-line with the Beatles and the stones

ask Joe
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by pieceofme » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:54 pm

First two albums, yep. Especially the first one.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by BootyDaddy69 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:59 pm

As most are saying yes on the first 2 albums, then they started losing their balls
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Whatever Happened To… » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:34 pm

They were no Praying Mantis.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Love_Industry » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:58 am

Anthrax442 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:35 pm
Essentially, when they traded Pete for Phil was when they switched. But On Through the Night and High N Dry are totally NWOBHM. Church groups warned that they might be satanic due to the divers body position in an inverted cross on the cover of High N Dry.

Pete may have been a drunk, but I never totally bought them sacking the one guy in the band that looked like a troll and bringing in a pretty boy from Girl when they were trying to become massive stars.
But.... Pyromania not only has Willis co-writing songs, it has the same early 80s Mutt Lange production as High N Dry. What's the difference, that it had hit singles and sold Diamond? Leppard maybe had more influences from Queen and AC/DC than the regular Sabbath/Priest influenced NWOBHM band, but if HND fits the bill, so does Pyro.

I remember Leppard had patches and tees saying "Heavy Metal Rules" around the time of Pyro. Only after that album was out they (Joe) started talking about how they are more classic rock than metal and even prefer Duran Duran to Saxon. Maybe it was honest, maybe they realized they had to move on from NWOBHM or they would end up like Tygers of Pan Tang or Diamond Head. Even Saxon and Motörhead tanked in the late 80s, so Leppard and Maiden are the only bands I can think of who started ut as NWOBHM and continued having a healthy career after 1986-7.

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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by Love_Industry » Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:05 am

Dyslexicheart wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:52 pm
HueyRamone wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:50 pm
During NWOBHM, they were NWOBHM.

Once the moment passed the NWOBHM bands that survived became whatever they became and the ones who died out stayed NWOBHM bands.

Tygers of Pan Tang, Diamond Head, Angel Witch - Forever NWOBHM.
Yeah, pretty well-stated
What about Saxon and Motörhead? They didn't evolve to "something else" like Maiden and Leppard (Saxon tried to become mainstream metal like Priest or Van Halen with Crusader to Destiny but abandoned that), but I wouldn't lump them in with Diamond Head, Venom and Angel Witch either.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by suckit » Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:42 am

HueyRamone wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:50 pm
During NWOBHM, they were NWOBHM.
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Re: Is Def Leppard considered part of the NWOBHM?

Post by shocked_the_monkey » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:27 pm

Of course they were.

NWOBHM wasn't a genre but a collection of metal bands that Sounds Magazine decided to cover at the time. Maiden, Leppard, Samson, Angel Witch and Wrathchild sound nothing alike but have all been described as Nwobhm at some point. Joe only distanced himself from it because of the provincial nature of the scene/name when they were breaking America.
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