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Re: Snake Sabo: It's Not Just Rachel - We All Hate Sebastian

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tym wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 6:24 pm With all the singers they go through, I am pretty sure its just not Sebastian
Oh, you're 1 of THOSE guys huh?

They've had 4 singers... Lzzy is "subbing" for now, and would be #5 if she counts.

Meanwhile, Bach has had 13 lead guitarist's ALL listed on Wikipedia, as former or current members.

And... I can assure you, there have been some "subs" who didn't make the list.

Bassists and Drummers out-number Skid Row's singers as well.

Here ya go... https://metalsludge.tv/motor-mouth-seba ... be-pssies/

According to a Skid Row Wikipedia search it shows the following vocalists appeared in the band.

Matt Fallon (1986-1987)
Sebastian Bach (1987-1996)
Johnny Solinger (1999-2015) Died 2021
Tony Harnell (April-December 2015)
ZP Theart (2016-2022)
Erik Gronwall (2022-2024)
*Lizzy Hale (2024)

According to Bach‘s official Wikipedia, it appears that there have been 13 different guitarists, 7 bass players and 6 drummers since 1997.

Sebastian Bach – 13 Guitarists
Brody DeRozie – guitars (2024–present)
Brent Woods – guitars (2014–2024)
Devin Bronson – guitars (2013–2014)
Jeff George – guitars (2012–2013)
Nick Sterling – guitars (2009–2012)
“Metal” Mike Chlasciak – guitars (2005–2008)
Adam Albright – guitars (2004–2005)
Randall X. Rawlings – guitars (2004–2005)
Ralph Santolla – guitars (2004–2005)
Johnny Chromatic – guitars (2004–2014)
Paul Crook – guitars (1999–2004)
Richie Scarlet – guitars (1998–2002)
Jimmy Flemion – guitars (1997–1999)

Sebastian Bach – 7 Bassists
Clay Eubank – bass (2024–present)
Rob De Luca – bass (2005–2012, 2014–2024)
*Robbie Crane – bass (*Substitute Touring Bassist 2016)
Jason Christopher – bass (2012–2014)
Steve Di Giorgio – bass (2005–2007)
Cheeze (né Brian Hall) – bass (2004–2005)
Larry Fisher– bass (1997–1999)

Sebastian Bach – 6 Drummers
Paris Bach – drums (2024–present)
Jeremy Colson – drums (2019–2024)
Bobby Jarzombek – drums (2005–2019)
Mike Dover – drums (2004)
Anton Fig – drums (1998–2000)
Mark “Bam Bam” McConnell – drums (1997–2005) *Died 2012

For the record...

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They hate Sebastian, but since he left:

Skid Row lost their major-label deal, and they can't write a memorable tune. 99% of their setlists are Bach-era material.
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tylamonroe wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:47 pm She made it pretty clear on Trunk today that she is very open to taking the spot.
I haven't listened to the Trunk interview but what else is she gonna say in the moment? "No. No. I threw them a bone. I'd never lower myself to be the full time singer of Skid Row in 2024 when my band Halestorm is 50x more successful."

I'm sure she had fun with those fill-in gigs but if Erik couldn't commit to their less-than-grueling touring schedule (AND he wasn't the full time singer in another band), I don't see how Lzzy could commit to even less and make the Skids happy. It just doesn't seem logistically possible. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.
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earthdog420 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:34 am guess they hate money tooo


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How much money do you think there is in a Skid Row reunion? Or a Queensryche reunion? Or an original WASP reunion? It’s barely more than what they earn on the casino/fair/theatre circuit, which is why a reunion with Bach is a non-starter.

I’m always amused when people think a band that headlined 5000 seaters at their peak, with Pantera helping sell tickets, will somehow be this massive draw if they reunite. Delusional. Hell, Judas Priest reunited with Rob f’n Halford and after a short time they were back playing the same theaters they played with Ripper, but just filling them more.

I don’t really have a dog in this fight. The guys in Skid Row are all secure financially due to the publishing they kept and other gigs in the industry. They’re clearly not in a position where a few more $ is their main motivation, and make no mistakes… it’s just a few more $.
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MetalSludgeCEO wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:35 am Oh, you're 1 of THOSE guys huh?

For the record...

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They've also had 3 or 4 drummers since Affuso left (and I'm pretty sure he's played live with both, and doesn't seem opposed to a reunion).

Both sides deserve their current circumstances.
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Both bands pay all former scab members in cans of Spaghetti O’s

People want to hear the singer in these bands from the MTV radio era always

I never cared who played with Bach the Hang On Lucy guitar era is fun live

Skidrow could be all original without Bach and still wouldn’t care

Skidrow World War is awesome every decade! Now all dudes are near 60’ish!
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Losing a major label deal isn't a relevant point when you're referencing a legacy artist. What major label will stick with them when they stopped selling in the 90s?
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MetalSludgeCEO wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:35 am
tym wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 6:24 pm With all the singers they go through, I am pretty sure its just not Sebastian
Oh, you're 1 of THOSE guys huh?

They've had 4 singers... Lzzy is "subbing" for now, and would be #5 if she counts.

Meanwhile, Bach has had 13 lead guitarist's ALL listed on Wikipedia, as former or current members.

And... I can assure you, there have been some "subs" who didn't make the list.

Bassists and Drummers out-number Skid Row's singers as well.

Here ya go... https://metalsludge.tv/motor-mouth-seba ... be-pssies/

According to a Skid Row Wikipedia search it shows the following vocalists appeared in the band.

Matt Fallon (1986-1987)
Sebastian Bach (1987-1996)
Johnny Solinger (1999-2015) Died 2021
Tony Harnell (April-December 2015)
ZP Theart (2016-2022)
Erik Gronwall (2022-2024)
*Lizzy Hale (2024)

According to Bach‘s official Wikipedia, it appears that there have been 13 different guitarists, 7 bass players and 6 drummers since 1997.

Sebastian Bach – 13 Guitarists
Brody DeRozie – guitars (2024–present)
Brent Woods – guitars (2014–2024)
Devin Bronson – guitars (2013–2014)
Jeff George – guitars (2012–2013)
Nick Sterling – guitars (2009–2012)
“Metal” Mike Chlasciak – guitars (2005–2008)
Adam Albright – guitars (2004–2005)
Randall X. Rawlings – guitars (2004–2005)
Ralph Santolla – guitars (2004–2005)
Johnny Chromatic – guitars (2004–2014)
Paul Crook – guitars (1999–2004)
Richie Scarlet – guitars (1998–2002)
Jimmy Flemion – guitars (1997–1999)

Sebastian Bach – 7 Bassists
Clay Eubank – bass (2024–present)
Rob De Luca – bass (2005–2012, 2014–2024)
*Robbie Crane – bass (*Substitute Touring Bassist 2016)
Jason Christopher – bass (2012–2014)
Steve Di Giorgio – bass (2005–2007)
Cheeze (né Brian Hall) – bass (2004–2005)
Larry Fisher– bass (1997–1999)

Sebastian Bach – 6 Drummers
Paris Bach – drums (2024–present)
Jeremy Colson – drums (2019–2024)
Bobby Jarzombek – drums (2005–2019)
Mike Dover – drums (2004)
Anton Fig – drums (1998–2000)
Mark “Bam Bam” McConnell – drums (1997–2005) *Died 2012

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Okay.

So Skids have had 7 singers.

Now, Baz has to staff an entire band when he gets people...2 guitars, bass, drums...each of those people has to interact with 4 other people they have been thrown together with, so you get a lot of possible friction. Even then, counting 2 guitarists at a time, he has only had as many lineups as Skid Row, where they only bring in one new guy at a time.

...and Baz has no continuity between albums/projects/tours...so all of his people are going to wander off and he will need to put a new band together again each time, whereas Skids are a constant entity...so, you would expect fewer total lineups IF THEY WERE EASIER TO GET ALONG WITH THAN BACH.

...but that is not what you get.
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Re: Snake Sabo: It's Not Just Rachel - We All Hate Sebastian

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WOLF wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 10:13 am
earthdog420 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:34 am guess they hate money tooo


morons
How much money do you think there is in a Skid Row reunion? Or a Queensryche reunion? Or an original WASP reunion? It’s barely more than what they earn on the casino/fair/theatre circuit, which is why a reunion with Bach is a non-starter.

I’m always amused when people think a band that headlined 5000 seaters at their peak, with Pantera helping sell tickets, will somehow be this massive draw if they reunite. Delusional. Hell, Judas Priest reunited with Rob f’n Halford and after a short time they were back playing the same theaters they played with Ripper, but just filling them more.

I don’t really have a dog in this fight. The guys in Skid Row are all secure financially due to the publishing they kept and other gigs in the industry. They’re clearly not in a position where a few more $ is their main motivation, and make no mistakes… it’s just a few more $.
This. People are delusional. Unless they got some huge live nation offer where bach got his own bus for him and his wife and all his other bullshit, how would it really move the needle financially? The draw isn’t going to change that much. It would also be even more detrimental to have him back for one summer and then have SR continue on without him.
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Sebastian should start a band called Skid Marks.
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So the Halestrom management is going to be cool with their lead singer and main money generator tearing her voice to shred due a Skids tour on top of a Halestorm album cycle run? Sure, I imagine this is Lzzy’s dream, but there would be nothing left of her vocally trying to fulfill all of these obligations.
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earthdog420 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:34 am guess they hate money tooo

morons

"""""""""""""""guess they hate money tooo """""""""""""""""""


So... they should do it for the money?

It's like saying...

"Hey... we know you really like your current girl-friend (wife), but we want you to get back with the ex. Okay? And if you do... we'll give you some extra money.
We know you HATE her, we know she drives you NUTS, we know she's got a lot of problems... and you're saying you are really happy without her.
But we'll give you some doe if you go back with the pyscho bitch you bailed on 25 years ago. Well... what do you say?"

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Sleek wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 12:53 am
Mojo wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:53 pm I will always respect them for this stance. I can't imagine being in the room with Sebastian Bach, let alone touring with him.

That said, Bach just released a damned good album on his own and I like it better than The Gang's All Here, even though that one's pretty good, too. And I'd love to hear a Lzzy-fronted Skid Row album. That would be badass.
To be fair, I have been in a room with Sebastian a few times, and on tour with him. He was a big spazzy kid, but no worse than a lot of other hyper rock dudes I have known, and just basically a sweet kid aside from the hyperactive thing.

The funny thing with Skid Row is, had those guys not owned the name, nobody would give even 1% of one shit about what they were doing...like, if they had to be : "The Szabo Bolan band" they'd be good for about 4 people per night. 3 outside of Jersey.

...but if Baz owned it, even if it was "Sebastain Bach's Skid Row" and he had random dudes like Stacy Blades or whatevs playing in the band, he could probably get 50% of eighties Skid Row crowds and all sorts of tours...I mean, he got GNR under just his own name.
I see you using the words "If" and "but"... etc...

"But no worse than..." as if Torien, Roth, Summers, and a host of other clowns are a joy to deal with as well, They're not.

Calling Bach a "sweet spazzy kid"... when are we talking - that you toured with him? 30-35 years ago?

"""""""I have been in a room with Sebastian a few times"""""""""" me too... and I witnessed him being a huge POS to a young girl, in front of a throng of people, he was borderline a nightmare... even as a young rocker myself, I could see what he was doing, the way he acted, was out of line.

And let's not forget... outside of his current wife, ex-wife and a few select GF's over time.. outside of his family, it's safe to say, these Skid Row guys know him 100x better, than ANY roadie who saw him in the catering line every day for a week or two... as opposed to living and breathing the same air as the guy for nearly a decade?

"If they had to be the Sabo Bolan band..." well, they don't... they own the Skid Row brand, and name, similarly, the way Steve West & Bruno Ravel own D2, and they as well, wrote those hits, the songs that sold the album.

"But if Baz owned it...." well, he doesn't... going back to what I wrote above.

I mean, if we're playing that game, I guess we can say "But if Tuff was managed by Doc McGee and I was friends with Jon, and we came out in 1989" blah, blah, blah.

A lot of wondering... why can't some of you accept the fact, that Bach is a tool, and they don't want him around?

Some of you are like those who defended R. Kelly or P. Diddy for all the years... no... they were pieces of shit... not a rumor, not gossip, they were garbage.

Truth is, Sebastian Bach is not liked by those who know him best! The casual fan, or some roadie for tour doesn't get to make the decision for them.

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Sleek wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 12:53 am
Mojo wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 8:53 pm I will always respect them for this stance. I can't imagine being in the room with Sebastian Bach, let alone touring with him.

That said, Bach just released a damned good album on his own and I like it better than The Gang's All Here, even though that one's pretty good, too. And I'd love to hear a Lzzy-fronted Skid Row album. That would be badass.
To be fair, I have been in a room with Sebastian a few times, and on tour with him. He was a big spazzy kid, but no worse than a lot of other hyper rock dudes I have known, and just basically a sweet kid aside from the hyperactive thing.

The funny thing with Skid Row is, had those guys not owned the name, nobody would give even 1% of one shit about what they were doing...like, if they had to be : "The Szabo Bolan band" they'd be good for about 4 people per night. 3 outside of Jersey.

...but if Baz owned it, even if it was "Sebastain Bach's Skid Row" and he had random dudes like Stacy Blades or whatevs playing in the band, he could probably get 50% of eighties Skid Row crowds and all sorts of tours...I mean, he got GNR under just his own name.
I disagree here. You could say that about 95% of most bands. “Collen and Savage” or Joe Elliott’s Def Leppard would draw or “Adler and Slash” instead of Axl’s Guns n Roses.

Also, Sebastian has how many solo albums out and his setlist is almost all SR. He needs them more than they need him…it’s obvious and it drives him crazy.
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SexxAtraxxion wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:36 am They hate Sebastian, but since he left:

Skid Row lost their major-label deal, and they can't write a memorable tune. 99% of their setlists are Bach-era material.
"""""""""""""""They hate Sebastian, but since he left:

Skid Row lost their major-label deal, """""""""""""""

Okay... and what major-label deal has Bach signed over the same time frame?

I'll wait...

"""""""""""""99% of their setlists are Bach-era material."""""""""""""""

Actually, what you meant, is 99% of Bach's set, are songs Rachel & Snake wrote... and 100% of the Skid Row set are songs they wrote as well! :D

Let me educate you, 99% of ALL the 80's bands, lost their deals the same.

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WOLF wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 10:13 am
earthdog420 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:34 am guess they hate money tooo


morons
How much money do you think there is in a Skid Row reunion? Or a Queensryche reunion? Or an original WASP reunion? It’s barely more than what they earn on the casino/fair/theatre circuit, which is why a reunion with Bach is a non-starter.

I’m always amused when people think a band that headlined 5000 seaters at their peak, with Pantera helping sell tickets, will somehow be this massive draw if they reunite. Delusional. Hell, Judas Priest reunited with Rob f’n Halford and after a short time they were back playing the same theaters they played with Ripper, but just filling them more.

I don’t really have a dog in this fight. The guys in Skid Row are all secure financially due to the publishing they kept and other gigs in the industry. They’re clearly not in a position where a few more $ is their main motivation, and make no mistakes… it’s just a few more $.
ALL of this...

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ParaDime77 wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 4:18 pm Nice heading man, where did it exactly say the word “hate?”
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Sleek wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 11:46 am
MetalSludgeCEO wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:35 am
tym wrote: Thu May 23, 2024 6:24 pm With all the singers they go through, I am pretty sure its just not Sebastian
Oh, you're 1 of THOSE guys huh?

They've had 4 singers... Lzzy is "subbing" for now, and would be #5 if she counts.

Meanwhile, Bach has had 13 lead guitarist's ALL listed on Wikipedia, as former or current members.

And... I can assure you, there have been some "subs" who didn't make the list.

Bassists and Drummers out-number Skid Row's singers as well.

Here ya go... https://metalsludge.tv/motor-mouth-seba ... be-pssies/

According to a Skid Row Wikipedia search it shows the following vocalists appeared in the band.

Matt Fallon (1986-1987)
Sebastian Bach (1987-1996)
Johnny Solinger (1999-2015) Died 2021
Tony Harnell (April-December 2015)
ZP Theart (2016-2022)
Erik Gronwall (2022-2024)
*Lizzy Hale (2024)

According to Bach‘s official Wikipedia, it appears that there have been 13 different guitarists, 7 bass players and 6 drummers since 1997.

Sebastian Bach – 13 Guitarists
Brody DeRozie – guitars (2024–present)
Brent Woods – guitars (2014–2024)
Devin Bronson – guitars (2013–2014)
Jeff George – guitars (2012–2013)
Nick Sterling – guitars (2009–2012)
“Metal” Mike Chlasciak – guitars (2005–2008)
Adam Albright – guitars (2004–2005)
Randall X. Rawlings – guitars (2004–2005)
Ralph Santolla – guitars (2004–2005)
Johnny Chromatic – guitars (2004–2014)
Paul Crook – guitars (1999–2004)
Richie Scarlet – guitars (1998–2002)
Jimmy Flemion – guitars (1997–1999)

Sebastian Bach – 7 Bassists
Clay Eubank – bass (2024–present)
Rob De Luca – bass (2005–2012, 2014–2024)
*Robbie Crane – bass (*Substitute Touring Bassist 2016)
Jason Christopher – bass (2012–2014)
Steve Di Giorgio – bass (2005–2007)
Cheeze (né Brian Hall) – bass (2004–2005)
Larry Fisher– bass (1997–1999)

Sebastian Bach – 6 Drummers
Paris Bach – drums (2024–present)
Jeremy Colson – drums (2019–2024)
Bobby Jarzombek – drums (2005–2019)
Mike Dover – drums (2004)
Anton Fig – drums (1998–2000)
Mark “Bam Bam” McConnell – drums (1997–2005) *Died 2012

For the record...

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Okay.

So Skids have had 7 singers.

Now, Baz has to staff an entire band when he gets people...2 guitars, bass, drums...each of those people has to interact with 4 other people they have been thrown together with, so you get a lot of possible friction. Even then, counting 2 guitarists at a time, he has only had as many lineups as Skid Row, where they only bring in one new guy at a time.

...and Baz has no continuity between albums/projects/tours...so all of his people are going to wander off and he will need to put a new band together again each time, whereas Skids are a constant entity...so, you would expect fewer total lineups IF THEY WERE EASIER TO GET ALONG WITH THAN BACH.

...but that is not what you get.

""""""""""""""""Baz has to staff an entire band when he gets people...2 guitars,""""""""""""""""

In case you have been under a Rock for the last 12-15 years, Bach has had 1 guitarist in most of his lineups!

Why? Perhaps he is too cheap to pay for the 2nd... go ask him.

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SexxAtraxxion wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:36 am They hate Sebastian, but since he left:

Skid Row lost their major-label deal, and they can't write a memorable tune.
How many hair metal-era bands can you list that this isn't true for from the early-mid 90s on, regardless of member changes?
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Anthrax442 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 6:47 am A few notes here...

The only way Lzzy does Skid Row long term is if Skid Row takes a backseat to Halestorm, and only plays dates when Halestorm is off. Being that Skid Row is a touring band, I don't see how they'd be able to function like that, they need that touring revenue. And I definitely have a hard time seeing a new Skid Row album with her singing. Did she do a good job on these fill in dates? Absolutely, but I dunno, this feels like when Anthrax tried to get Corey Taylor to sing for them, I just don't see how it would actually work.

Snake doing this interview is...weird. It's pretty clear now that Rob Affuso has no issues with Sebastian, so it's almost like he somehow felt the need to fully band their side together? I dunno, I'm just not sure what the point of making that statement was, unless he REALLY felt the need to defend Rachel, and I just don't know why he'd do that, unless Rachel has just been getting more crap than usual recently about the situation. Also, Rachel has ALWAYS seemed like a dick that just happened to be a decent songwriter, and at some point, over that 30+ years, perception is reality, no matter what Snake says.

I dunno, it almost seems like a false flag at this point, really trying to drive the point home that they don't like each other, to make it a bigger surprise when they do get back together next year, or something, but maybe my tinfoil needs tightening.
Despite them saying they would rather be happy than work with Sebastian for the last 25 years, it wasn't that long ago they did start to entertain the idea. So if they started to crack once, I still feel like it is a possibility.

I get why they don't want to.
I get that they aren't going to start playing arenas.

But if they recently entertained the idea, I feel some amount of money might entice them again for one last go-around with the OG band.
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Velvis wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 7:54 pm I dunno, I'm just not sure what the point of making that statement was, unless he REALLY felt the need to defend Rachel, and I just don't know why he'd do that, unless Rachel has just been getting more crap than usual recently about the situation.
To be fair, it's not like they just released a statement or he posted this on his FB or something, as usual he got asked this question for the 50th interview in a row and decided to say what he said.

Sure, he could have said less, but it's what was on his mind. Other than that, you make great points.

I think Lizzy is having the blast and the band is absolutely loving having her in the band, so they're in a bit of a honeymoon phase where they're like "damn, this rules", but I think the practical realities of trying to have her full time will come in to play at some point.

Side note: I'm not saying you're doing this, but so often people act like these interview quotes are musicians obsessing about or making a big deal about something, when they're just answering yet another question about the same thing.

Sort of like how Dave Mustaine gets asked about Metallica in every single fucking interview, his answer is immediately turned into a blabbermouth headline, and all you hear is "oh god, why does he keep talking about Metallica, he's sooo obsessed, get over it already!!111".
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It seems like a no brainer to me, we're talking about Skid Row not Led Zeppelin. Sure a reunion would bring in more money, but their expenses would go up and they'd probably have to split the pie four ways instead of three and while I'm sure it would be a nice bump in pay, if they were smart with their money which it sounds like they have been, it wouldn't be life changing. The novelty of a Skid Row reunion would wear off within a couple years and they'd probably find themselves close to where they are now. It seems like when you start talking about separate travel arrangements, two sets of agents/managers/lawyers and the ego of an overgrown narcissistic manchild when you already have a pretty good thing going, why bother? It's a crude comparison but I've turned down multiple promotion opportunities in my professional life because I knew the extra money wouldn't be worth the extra stress. These guys are closing in on 60 and their operation is probably a well oiled machine at this point, why bother throwing in a variable at this point?
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Would having Bierk back in the band sell more tickets than having a well-known, established modern-rock replacement who probably brings some Halestorm fans out to the gigs too? I'm not sure
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I think it's possible Lzzy takes the gig - she doesn't have kids and the members of Halestorm are in their 40s now. They're kind of past the age of releasing an album and touring it to try to make it a blow up... they're headed towards being more of a legacy act.

What else do you have to do all day?

But yeah, Halestorm did like 60 shows last year and Skid Row did 50. Row would have to dial it back to festivals and short runs to it to be doable.
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Charles Bukaki wrote: Sat May 25, 2024 4:30 am It seems like a no brainer to me, we're talking about Skid Row not Led Zeppelin. Sure a reunion would bring in more money, but their expenses would go up and they'd probably have to split the pie four ways instead of three and while I'm sure it would be a nice bump in pay, if they were smart with their money which it sounds like they have been, it wouldn't be life changing. The novelty of a Skid Row reunion would wear off within a couple years and they'd probably find themselves close to where they are now. It seems like when you start talking about separate travel arrangements, two sets of agents/managers/lawyers and the ego of an overgrown narcissistic manchild when you already have a pretty good thing going, why bother? It's a crude comparison but I've turned down multiple promotion opportunities in my professional life because I knew the extra money wouldn't be worth the extra stress. These guys are closing in on 60 and their operation is probably a well oiled machine at this point, why bother throwing in a variable at this point?
""""""""""""""""Sure a reunion would bring in more money, but their expenses would go up """""""""""""""""""""

Same applies with Bret and Poison...

So many people are always bitching "Why doesn't Poison tour"...

Well... Bret is doing fine on his own it appears, and while the money does go up for Poison, so do ALL of the related expenses.

Not that anyone is clamoring for a TUFF reunion... but similarly our situation with Jorge has long sailed. Like the Skid's guys with Bach, we simply do not want to deal with him.

I can't think of too many scenarios where we would all agree to play with him again. The stuff that I (we) dealt with while he was in the band, his substance abuse, and more left a REALLY bad taste in my mouth.

The way he treated people, treated women and girls, he was a menace. Even many years later, there are things that come up, or get unearthed that make me want to choke him unconscious. He was a nightmare to deal with.

And while Bach has displayed a somewhat better behavior in the last decade or so, in relation to being arrested or totally melting down on Youtube, he still shows those sides of him where they see this and think, "Nah, we'll pass on that!"

Him ranting about 9 singers, and "Ask the band that tried to replace me", "This stuff ain't for pussies" is just him shooting himself in the foot all over again... and just a week earlier, he's getting emotional talking about how he needs to write a nice email to the band.

Warrant dealt with Jani, until they could not deal any longer. And while his situation was not his personality, like it appears to be with Bach, Lane had substance issues beyond what was reasonable. If Lane was alive today, the diehards would be screaming every time Warrant announced a show, to reunite with Jani. We all know how that ended.

Same with Jack Russell and Great White. At some point, the guys got fed up. Again, perhaps it wasn't identical to Bach or Lane, but even going through the airport was a process. I recall someone from the band talking about having to get a wheel-chair every day, etc.. Him hobbling onto stage, or them carrying him, and having to sit on a stool, falling over, and the rest.

Then they toured with someone else and it was as simple as, "Hey bro, see you at the gate!" or "See you on stage" and so on. With Jack, there was for what it's worth, a lot of baby-sitting involved. And this is what happened with Lane, Bach, and the rest of the prima-donna nightmare front-men who need to be taken care of and coddled.

All of these guys in these bands, are in their 50's or 60's... most have long ago grown out of their crazy ways, substance abusing, acting foolish, etc... I can testify from talking amongst many (names that you all mention here daily) guys in the business, we're as they say 'smelling the roses' a lot more, and enjoying what is left of the 30 - 35 or 40+ years we put into being in a band... and whatever we do with it, it HAS to be fun. It HAS to be enjoyable, and nobody wants any drama.

The second a guy shows those true colors, he's literally on thin ice... the second someone bucks the system, or rocks the boat, they're 1 gig away from no longer having that gig.

In the end... it's their band, Skid Row is Rachel and Snake's band. They are set in their ways, with their band, their songs and how they do things. Scotti and drummer Rob seem to be okay with it, and follow the lead of the other 2. If Bach was to come back, he would have to play by their rules, and he would have to submit to whatever they put in place, similarly like Ace or Peter, coming back to Kiss. In the end, it's Gene & Paul's band, and their way or the highway.

As for anyone who wants to say, "How come Bach has to conform and they don't?"

Well, Skid Row isn't asking him back, and never have. It's the other way around, Bach has been asking, suggesting and more, for years, that he wants the reunion... well, if he does, he'd have to play by their rules. Simple.

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Imagine having a job in your twenties that you absolutely hated - the job was good but the environment was terrible. You were stressed all the time and had to walk on eggshells around your coworker who would melt down on you for the tiniest thing. Eventually it got so bad that you quit.

Now you're like 60 years old, you have enough money to retire. The job you have now is similar to your old job, except it's really easy and stress-free. Plus, you only do it have something to do and make some extra cash for vacations.

Now imagine a bunch of people on the internet want you to go back to your job that you hated. The coworker is still there, and by all accounts acts the exact same way he used to. You texted him back in 2016, and he was still a fucking asshole.

What would your temptation level be to go back to that job?
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MetalSludgeCEO wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 4:37 pm
earthdog420 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 9:34 am guess they hate money tooo

morons

"""""""""""""""guess they hate money tooo """""""""""""""""""


So... they should do it for the money?

It's like saying...

"Hey... we know you really like your current girl-friend (wife), but we want you to get back with the ex. Okay? And if you do... we'll give you some extra money.
We know you HATE her, we know she drives you NUTS, we know she's got a lot of problems... and you're saying you are really happy without her.
But we'll give you some doe if you go back with the pyscho bitch you bailed on 25 years ago. Well... what do you say?"

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It's kinda a little different. You current don't have a wife or girlfriend and you haven't been able to keep one reliably in the past.
"Do you want to get back with the one you were most successful with and possibly rekindle some of that magic and make a little bit more money? After all it's been almost 30 years. Might be worth considering after all if it doesn't work out you can just part ways again."
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daveg wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 8:50 am
MetalSludgeCEO wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 8:04 am

I am starting to think Bach is bi-polar... there is def some switches that are off, and some are on that should not be.
Not bi-polar, that untreated is what Britney looks like right now.

He most likely has High Functioning Asperger's. In children they appear as just very hyperactive and selfish. Most parents think the kid will just grow out of it..

In adults, especially if tons of booze and drugs are involved, you basically have Bach.

Quick Google says this.
"Asperger's in adults typically causes issues with communication, emotion regulation and interpretation, social interactions, and behavior. People who have Asperger's may also experience other conditions, such as depression, anxiety, or OCD"
Think this is pretty close. My GF's kid has Asperger's. If he could sing he's not too far removed.
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This whole "they're dumb if they don't do it for the money" angle is strange, to me. Everyone wants their favorite bands to be 100% in it for the music and not the money, fame, etc. Except in this case. You have a band that does what the fuck it wants to, knowing full well the paychecks could be better, and half of you bag on them for it. For sticking to their (big) guns and putting their music and art first over money. It's fucking weird.
FreddyFender wrote: Sat May 25, 2024 9:37 am Imagine having a job in your twenties that you absolutely hated - the job was good but the environment was terrible. You were stressed all the time and had to walk on eggshells around your coworker who would melt down on you for the tiniest thing. Eventually it got so bad that you quit.

Now you're like 60 years old, you have enough money to retire. The job you have now is similar to your old job, except it's really easy and stress-free. Plus, you only do it have something to do and make some extra cash for vacations.

Now imagine a bunch of people on the internet want you to go back to your job that you hated. The coworker is still there, and by all accounts acts the exact same way he used to. You texted him back in 2016, and he was still a fucking asshole.

What would your temptation level be to go back to that job?
I think your analogy is sound and I totally agree except that I don't think for a second that these dudes could retire right now/have plenty of money, etc.
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Mojo wrote: Sat May 25, 2024 11:19 am
I think your analogy is sound and I totally agree except that I don't think for a second that these dudes could retire right now/have plenty of money, etc.
If they DIDN'T have their retirement in order, I'm certain we would have seen a Bach reunion already.... probably a decade ago.

They've said a number of times over the years that they were smart with their money. That means they're getting paid today off investments from decades ago. I think their actions support those claims.
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