The piece of shit KISS contract that VInnie kept refusing to sign

[HueyRamone]

He doesn’t get any KISS royalties. As part of losing one of the lawsuits he had to sign them all over to KISS. He was likely living off his wife Diane’s money because he resurfaced not long after she died. He lived in an absolute dump. He was likely living off the Chiller autograph session money he has been doing for the last few years as those bashes he does really didn’t bring in that much money. But I seem to recall hearing something about him fucking those up and not being able to do them anymore.

How could those bashes not have earned money? All the Vintards paid $500 a head, plus $100 for an autograph and $150 for a photo, and the catering was all handled by another Vintard who brought potato soup and pinwheels!

[MetalSludgeCEO]

He doesn’t get any KISS royalties. As part of losing one of the lawsuits he had to sign them all over to KISS. He was likely living off his wife Diane’s money because he resurfaced not long after she died. He lived in an absolute dump. He was likely living off the Chiller autograph session money he has been doing for the last few years as those bashes he does really didn’t bring in that much money. But I seem to recall hearing something about him fucking those up and not being able to do them anymore.

How could those bashes not have earned money? All the Vintards paid $500 a head, plus $100 for an autograph and $150 for a photo, and the catering was all handled by another Vintard who brought potato soup and pinwheels!

"""""""""""""How could those bashes not have earned money? """"""""""""""

How many people do you think, actually paid $500 as the entrance fee alone, to go to this?

My guess is... somewhere in the 10-15 range, TOPS!

With that... let's go high, and say 25 people showed up, and each paid the fee and spent $100 on a signature.

That's $600 x 25, is $ 15,000.00!

How many bashes have happened? 2, or was there a 3rd. Let's say 3... that's $45k.

And... he did those over a year or so. How loaded is someone who makes $45-50k in a year? Not very.

Not to mention, all of my #s here, in my eyes, were likely MUCH higher than reality.

I could swear I recall others talked about this who attended, and it seemed the 1st to the 2nd, etc... each event declined in attendance.

It also doesn't help, that something was planned, tickets on sale, then a change, or delay, and it went from full band to acoustic, to listening to a CD of mixes in the P.A. system.

The handful who attended and shelled out their hard earned cash are few, very few.

$tEvil

[kingbrian74]

He doesn’t get any KISS royalties. As part of losing one of the lawsuits he had to sign them all over to KISS. He was likely living off his wife Diane’s money because he resurfaced not long after she died. He lived in an absolute dump. He was likely living off the Chiller autograph session money he has been doing for the last few years as those bashes he does really didn’t bring in that much money. But I seem to recall hearing something about him fucking those up and not being able to do them anymore.

How could those bashes not have earned money? All the Vintards paid $500 a head, plus $100 for an autograph and $150 for a photo, and the catering was all handled by another Vintard who brought potato soup and pinwheels!

"""""""""""""How could those bashes not have earned money? """"""""""""""

How many people do you think, actually paid $500 as the entrance fee alone, to go to this?

My guess is... somewhere in the 10-15 range, TOPS!

With that... let's go high, and say 25 people showed up, and each paid the fee and spent $100 on a signature.

That's $600 x 25, is $ 15,000.00!

How many bashes have happened? 2, or was there a 3rd. Let's say 3... that's $45k.

And... he did those over a year or so. How loaded is someone who makes $45-50k in a year? Not very.

Not to mention, all of my #s here, in my eyes, were likely MUCH higher than reality.

I could swear I recall others talked about this who attended, and it seemed the 1st to the 2nd, etc... each event declined in attendance.

It also doesn't help, that something was planned, tickets on sale, then a change, or delay, and it went from full band to acoustic, to listening to a CD of mixes in the P.A. system.

The handful who attended and shelled out their hard earned cash are few, very few.

$tEvil

The two I attended had 40 to 50 people at each.

But there were a number in between those that had far fewer people. The problem is, is people had to travel to Nashville to attend, and while there were a couple who attended each one, it was too expensive and they were too close together to go over and over again.

He would have done well with this if he figured out a way to take the show on the road.

[HueyRamone]

The two I attended had 40 to 50 people at each.

If i'ts $500 to attend, and each Vintard also buys a $100 autograph and a $150 picture, that's $750 an attendee.

Vin's looking at 37,500 if 50 people do that. Allow 3K for expenses and he's got $34,500. Sell a guitar or two and you're back at 37,500.

Not bad for a day's work! Problem is, it's only that day and maybe 1 more in the year.

[kingbrian74]

The two I attended had 40 to 50 people at each.

If i'ts $500 to attend, and each Vintard also buys a $100 autograph and a $150 picture, that's $750 an attendee.

Vin's looking at 37,500 if 50 people do that. Allow 3K for expenses and he's got $34,500. Sell a guitar or two and you're back at 37,500.

Not bad for a day's work! Problem is, it's only that day and maybe 1 more in the year.

First show included 5 autographs. No extra charge.

The last show I attended, which was supposed to be the last one ever, but then more were booked, only included admission and food/drink. Autographs and photos were extra.

[pieceofme]

I didn’t know Vinnie was even pregnant in the past, but it all makes sense now.

Who would have been closer to the action than you?

King Brian, probably.

I did not know until this thread that kingbrian74 was such a big fan

[kingbrian74]

Who would have been closer to the action than you?

King Brian, probably.

I did not know until this thread that kingbrian74 was such a big fan

Guilty as charged.

Not a lunatic though….despite Stevil’s insistence.

[Son_of_Sam_I_Am]

This fuckin' guy looking like he's about to go fight Superman.

[pieceofme]

King Brian, probably.

I did not know until this thread that kingbrian74 was such a big fan

Guilty as charged.

Not a lunatic though….despite Stevil’s insistence.

I get the same thing with Bach and skid row. I don't think skid row would make my top 25 bands. And Bach is not my favourite singer/frontman. But because I said Bach is one of the best 80s frontmen still going I'm an obsessed fanboy

[El Vampiro Blanco]

Also, I'm not sure how it works in the US, but over here if you have a job and pay into a pension plan, when you die your partner will receive a monthly stipend.
So likely Vinnie is now receiving part of Diane's pension and some social security since he is over 65 years old.
Add some of those conventions and he might have a liveable wage...

[Love_Industry]

Also, I'm not sure how it works in the US, but over here if you have a job and pay into a pension plan, when you die your partner will receive a monthly stipend.
So likely Vinnie is now receiving part of Diane's pension and some social security since he is over 65 years old.
Add some of those conventions and he might have a liveable wage...

Add to this that the recent CotN remaster and super deluxe set had Vinnie all over it. Including unreleased demos and live recordings that couldn't have been part of any lawsuit. They probably gave him an one time payment but still. That payout didn't hurt.

Question, were Vinnie and Diane divorced? In the interview I posted he said he threw her out of the house when she became violent but she kept coming back so it's not clear. If they divorced he wouldn't get any part of her pension.

[pieceofme]

Also, I'm not sure how it works in the US, but over here if you have a job and pay into a pension plan, when you die your partner will receive a monthly stipend.
So likely Vinnie is now receiving part of Diane's pension and some social security since he is over 65 years old.
Add some of those conventions and he might have a liveable wage...

Add to this that the recent CotN remaster and super deluxe set had Vinnie all over it. Including unreleased demos and live recordings that couldn't have been part of any lawsuit. They probably gave him an one time payment but still. That payout didn't hurt.

Question, were Vinnie and Diane divorced? In the interview I posted he said he threw her out of the house when she became violent but she kept coming back so it's not clear. If they divorced he wouldn't get any part of her pension.

I doubt he got that much from that Creature remaster.

[MetalSludgeCEO]

Wikipedia states the following.


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Appearances in 2018–2023

After 22 years of being off the radar, Vinnie Vincent agreed to appear at the 2018 Atlanta Kiss Expo in January.[21] Vincent fulfilled his commitment and appeared at the sold-out expo, playing a four-song set including the live premiere of Kiss's "A Million to One" from Lick It Up and a VVI song "Back on the Streets" where he was joined by original VVI vocalist Robert Fleischman.[22] He said he considers Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley family, wishing them nothing but the best. After some e-mail exchanges with Gene Simmons, Vincent agreed to appear with Simmons on stage in April 2018 which was the first time they have met in person in over two decades.[23] He also gave an exclusive interview to Eddie Trunk for Sirius XM, which was his first in over two decades, and held multiple question-and-answer sessions with fans.[24]

On February 16, 2018, it was announced via Facebook that Vinnie would appear at the Days of the Dead convention in Charlotte, North Carolina in May 2018.[25]

Vinnie Vincent's first concert in 30 years was scheduled for December 7, 2018, at Graceland, in Memphis, Tennessee. However these shows were postponed until February 8–9, 2019 in Nashville,[26] before being canceled. These shows were promoted by Derek Christopher, who despite never having finalized or fulfilled a contract with Vincent, continued to sell tickets nevertheless. This left everyone wondering where the money went, and ultimately blamed Vincent.[27]

Vincent then announced another show in Nashville called "Speedball Jamm", which was scheduled for June 7, 2019.[28] This show was ultimately canceled.[29]

Two months later, Vincent hosted Vinnie Vincent's Birthday Bash on August 10 in Nashville, TN, followed by Vinnie Vincent's Merry Metal Christmas on December 14–15, 2019.[30]

On May 22, 2022, Vinnie played for the first time live together with his lead guitar colleagues from Kiss, Ace Frehley and Bruce Kulick, performing a 4-song all Kiss set at Creatures Fest (hosted by Neil Davis, Brian Bell, Dale Walter) in Nashville.[31]

In May 2023, Vincent held an album listening party, at Starstruck Studios. The upcoming album was well received; several bands opened for Vincent, and he played with backing band Leo Roriz of Sleeper Signal and Ben Hanz of Trixter.

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[HueyRamone]

In May 2023, Vincent held an album listening party, at Starstruck Studios. The upcoming album was well received; several bands opened for Vincent, and he played with backing band Leo Roriz of Sleeper Signal and Ben Hanz of Trixter.

I dont remember hearing about this. I feel like it would have been posted about here.

[Bono Nettencourt]

It's not real til kingbrian confirms.

[LadyJaneGrey]

In May 2023, Vincent held an album listening party, at Starstruck Studios. The upcoming album was well received; several bands opened for Vincent, and he played with backing band Leo Roriz of Sleeper Signal and Ben Hanz of Trixter.

I dont remember hearing about this. I feel like it would have been posted about here.

I think it was only posted/talked about on the Euphoria Facebook group.

[CrankerBait]

HIndsight is 20/20, but the CEO is right on this one. Vinnie would have made more than $3 million in today's money if he'd signed that deal and stuck around for ten years. With per diem, paid travel, vacations, and presumably all work-related expenses covered, he would have had more than enough to get himself a nice home and car with plenty left over to invest and/or put away for his retirement. As with other ex-members of KISS like Kulick and Singer, there would have been nothing preventing him from playing as a sideman and making good money with other acts once he was no longer under contract.

[kingbrian74]

It's not real til kingbrian confirms.

Ha! I can confirm the listening party did happen. It was sometime before CreaturesFest, though I can't recall when. I know Neil (the promoter behind CreaturesFest and Kiss Cancer Goodbye) and Rosie (now a member of Green Jelly) were both there.

There was definitely a number of 'parties' at SIR that are not listed on wiki, as I have friends that were at most of them. I recall a Valentines day on, and another couple random ones. I believe the two I was at had the largest attendance. I remember at the second one, the wrestler Alundra Blaze/Madusa was there. I think her husband is a huge KISS fan...but I didn't talk to her. I didn't realize it was her until after the fact.

[Bono Nettencourt]

HIndsight is 20/20, but the CEO is right on this one. Vinnie would have made more than $3 million in today's money if he'd signed that deal and stuck around for ten years. With per diem, paid travel, vacations, and presumably all work-related expenses covered, he would have had more than enough to get himself a nice home and car with plenty left over to invest and/or put away for his retirement. As with other ex-members of KISS like Kulick and Singer, there would have been nothing preventing him from playing as a sideman and making good money with other acts once he was no longer under contract.

So you would've turned away a recording contract with your own band to be G&Ps monkey? They both fucked up, each should've realized that they were better off together than separately.

[CrankerBait]

HIndsight is 20/20, but the CEO is right on this one. Vinnie would have made more than $3 million in today's money if he'd signed that deal and stuck around for ten years. With per diem, paid travel, vacations, and presumably all work-related expenses covered, he would have had more than enough to get himself a nice home and car with plenty left over to invest and/or put away for his retirement. As with other ex-members of KISS like Kulick and Singer, there would have been nothing preventing him from playing as a sideman and making good money with other acts once he was no longer under contract.

So you would've turned away a recording contract with your own band to be G&Ps monkey? They both fucked up, each should've realized that they were better off together than separately.

If my own band was shitty and likely to go nowhere, yes.

[Bono Nettencourt]

HIndsight is 20/20, but the CEO is right on this one. Vinnie would have made more than $3 million in today's money if he'd signed that deal and stuck around for ten years. With per diem, paid travel, vacations, and presumably all work-related expenses covered, he would have had more than enough to get himself a nice home and car with plenty left over to invest and/or put away for his retirement. As with other ex-members of KISS like Kulick and Singer, there would have been nothing preventing him from playing as a sideman and making good money with other acts once he was no longer under contract.

So you would've turned away a recording contract with your own band to be G&Ps monkey? They both fucked up, each should've realized that they were better off together than separately.

If my own band was shitty and likely to go nowhere, yes.

I'm sure that's not what he believed at the time. Vinnie was definitely better as a sideman than a leader, and G&P needed another writer in the group, especially while Gene was off playing movie star.

[FreddyFender]

Vinnie was 34 years old when he left Kiss. Before Kiss, his only notable work was playing some licks on a Laura Nyro album that sold ten copies.

The guy was absolutely delusional.

[Bono Nettencourt]

https://youtu.be/jW-OfaiBs9k?si=qLuIs7BZyWWKoFA2

[dmbrocker]

https://youtu.be/jW-OfaiBs9k?si=qLuIs7BZyWWKoFA2

Another one with Dan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKJl_oM8lbQ

[woblinweebles]

I'm sure this banger is still bringing in the big publishing checks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WXBaUriSCc

Anyone know what happened with the album that was supposed to come out 2 + years ago? Supposedly the press was going crazy about it.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/vinnie- ... lbum-2022/

[CrankerBait]

So you would've turned away a recording contract with your own band to be G&Ps monkey? They both fucked up, each should've realized that they were better off together than separately.

If my own band was shitty and likely to go nowhere, yes.

I'm sure that's not what he believed at the time. Vinnie was definitely better as a sideman than a leader, and G&P needed another writer in the group, especially while Gene was off playing movie star.

Ultimately he needed G&P more than they needed him, and he never really achieved anything of note as a solo performer or writer, but he did help make Creatures of the Night, Lick It Up and Revenge better through his writing, plus he was able to write with G&P separately, which not too many have done outside of maybe Bob Ezrin or Ace.

[El Vampiro Blanco]

So you would've turned away a recording contract with your own band to be G&Ps monkey? They both fucked up, each should've realized that they were better off together than separately.

If my own band was shitty and likely to go nowhere, yes.

I'm sure that's not what he believed at the time. Vinnie was definitely better as a sideman than a leader, and G&P needed another writer in the group, especially while Gene was off playing movie star.

Kiss was already recording Animalize when Gene started doing movies. On Creatures and Lick it up Gene was still pulling his weight...although on Lick it up it is hard to know how much input both Gene and Paul actually had since Vinnie had 9 co-writes on it. For all we know he had complete songs and Gene and Paul just changed 3 words to get a credit...

[Love_Industry]

on Lick it up it is hard to know how much input both Gene and Paul actually had since Vinnie had 9 co-writes on it. For all we know he had complete songs and Gene and Paul just changed 3 words to get a credit...

Some we do know.
Vinnie only had 8 co-writes, 2 songs were all Gene. 2 of the 3 weakest songs if you ask me. And it seems the Vinnie/Paul songs are more of real co-writes than the Gene/Paul. We know Exciter and Gimme More are genuine co-writes, there are recordings of the band working on the melody together before there were any words. All Hell's Breakin' Loose is Paul writing vocals and lyrics around Eric's riff. Gene and Vinnie's input seems limited here, maybe the chorus?

For the Gene songs, Vinnie had most of And On the 8th Day and I Love It Loud ready to go when he joined Kiss. Gene wrote a new chorus to Boys Wanna Rock, and added the hey-hey-yeah-ah or whatever chant and some words to ILIL. A wild guess is that for Not for the Innocent and Young & Wasted, it was Vinnie who doctored some demos or ideas Gene had. A guy with a Masters in Musicology did a walkthrough of LIU with Vinnie's influence, unfortunately the demos for Y&W and FLAG are not online anymore: https://axeologyextended.wordpress.com/ ... influence/

[HueyRamone]

A guy with a Masters in Musicology did a walkthrough of LIU with Vinnie's influence

And a guy with a PHD in Rockology took the KISS formula to uncharted heights of awesomeness!

[MetalSludgeCEO]

It's not real til kingbrian confirms.

Ha! I can confirm the listening party did happen. It was sometime before CreaturesFest, though I can't recall when. I know Neil (the promoter behind CreaturesFest and Kiss Cancer Goodbye) and Rosie (now a member of Green Jelly) were both there.

There was definitely a number of 'parties' at SIR that are not listed on wiki, as I have friends that were at most of them. I recall a Valentines day on, and another couple random ones. I believe the two I was at had the largest attendance. I remember at the second one, the wrestler Alundra Blaze/Madusa was there. I think her husband is a huge KISS fan...but I didn't talk to her. I didn't realize it was her until after the fact.

Largest attendance?

$tEvil