Pink Floyd - Momentary Lapse Of Reason Vs The Division Bell

[Darrien]

What is your choice for post Waters Floyd?

[Bono Nettencourt]

MLoR and it's not close.

[Wiseacre]

I’m a huge Roger fan and I’m not an a big fan of either album compared to the full lineup albums. but between the 2, I choose Division Bell. AMLOR is just a little too sugary or something. DB has some cool dark stuff that I really like.

Bottom line is that Dave needs Roger and Roger needs Dave. FACT.

As much as I love Roger in Floyd, I definitely like Roger-less Floyd more than any of his solo stuff. Same goes for Dave’s solo stuff (which is better than Roger’s). Unless we’re counting the FINAL CUT as Roger solo, which I always loved.

[inextrem]

I like TDB, of course, but AMLOR is way better.

[Bono Nettencourt]

I’m a huge Roger fan and I’m not an a big fan of either album compared to the full lineup albums. but between the 2, I choose Division Bell. AMLOR is just a little too sugary or something. DB has some cool dark stuff that I really like.

Bottom line is that Dave needs Roger and Roger needs Dave. FACT.

As much as I love Roger in Floyd, I definitely like Roger-less Floyd more than any of his solo stuff. Same goes for Dave’s solo stuff (which is better than Roger’s). Unless we’re counting the FINAL CUT as Roger solo, which I always loved.

Agree w/ all save your DB preference. Funny how Floyd and Zep seem to be the only dinosaurs that never settled their differences for the easy reunion cash.

[NeonKnite]

As much as I love Roger in Floyd, I definitely like Roger-less Floyd more than any of his solo stuff. Same goes for Dave’s solo stuff (which is better than Roger’s). Unless we’re counting the FINAL CUT as Roger solo, which I always loved.

Roger's AMUSED TO DEATH is far better than both DB and MLoR.

If this had the name Pink Floyd on it's cover, it would have been a very big album.

[keyofgee]

i prefer roger's work. the final cut, pro's and con's, radio chaos,

[Michael Hotts Ghost]

Division Bell wins for High Hopes alone. Coming Back To Life, What Do You Want From Me, and Keep Talking, are all killers too.

[skinni]

Yesterday, I listened to The Division Bell in its entirety. It is undoubtedly a masterpiece. Both it and Momentary Lapse of Reason are timeless classics, making it impossible to crown one as superior.

[dmbrocker]

Both great, but MLoR has "Dogs of War", "One Slip", "Learning to Fly", and "On the Turning Away", so it wins for me. "High Hopes" from DB is definitely a Floyd classic, though.

[Love_Industry]

Both great, but MLoR has "Dogs of War", "One Slip", "Learning to Fly", and "On the Turning Away", so it wins for me. "High Hopes" from DB is definitely a Floyd classic, though.

Something like this. And both blow away the disappointing The Final Cut.

Anything would be disappointing after the DSOTM - WYWH - Animals - The Wall run but I could never get into TFC at all. It’s only the second best album abbreviated as TFC

[HoldenSSV]

Roger's AMUSED TO DEATH is far better than both DB and MLoR.

If this had the name Pink Floyd on it's cover, it would have been a very big album.

Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

The racist douche is 81 and still hasn't gotten over his Daddy issues.

[NeonKnite]

Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

[FreddyFender]

Gilmour's songwriting doesn't come close to carrying the weight of the Pink Floyd name. It's mostly awful.

I'll say "Learning to Fly" is a great tune and "Marooned" kicks ass because it doesn't have any of Gilmour's embarrassing lyrics. Everything else is Pink Floyd-sounding background music. Pass.

Roger Waters songwriting is Pink Floyd. The fact that "Dejavu" off his last album isn't a Pink Floyd song is a matter of brand ownership - that's Pink Floyd, not whatever Gilmour is doing.

[HoldenSSV]

Gilmour's songwriting doesn't come close to carrying the weight of the Pink Floyd name. It's mostly awful.

Roger Waters songwriting is Pink Floyd. The fact that "Dejavu" off his last album isn't a Pink Floyd song is a matter of brand ownership - that's Pink Floyd, not whatever Gilmour is doing.

Agree, Gilmour (and his wife) are not good songwriters. However, his instrumentals on Rattle That Lock are very solid. Haven't heard the new release yet.

Deja Vu sounds too much like "Mother" with a piano to me.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Roger's AMUSED TO DEATH is far better than both DB and MLoR.

If this had the name Pink Floyd on it's cover, it would have been a very big album.

Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

The racist douche is 81 and still hasn't gotten over his Daddy issues.

Yeah RW is probably the biggest dickhead in RnR, and this is in spite of Ped Nugent still being alive.

[Wiseacre]

Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

Roger is one of my absolute musical heroes, but I just never liked his solo stuff much at all. He definitely NEEDS whatever Dave always brought to the table.

[NeonKnite]

Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

Roger is one of my absolute musical heroes, but I just never liked his solo stuff much at all. He definitely NEEDS whatever Dave always brought to the table.

Amused to Death is the exception. I don't care for his other solo outings all that much save for the odd song, but ATD is when he decided to stop fucking around and deliver great music more in line with his PF projects. I assume the PF success with MLoR lit a bit of a fire under him.

[Wiseacre]

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

Roger is one of my absolute musical heroes, but I just never liked his solo stuff much at all. He definitely NEEDS whatever Dave always brought to the table.

Amused to Death is the exception. I don't care for his other solo outings all that much save for the odd song, but ATD is when he decided to stop fucking around and deliver great music more in line with his PF projects. I assume the PF success with MLoR lit a bit of a fire under him.

I know people cite that one as strong, but I got it when it came out, nothing grabbed me at all and I think I listened to it maybe 3 times.

shits on the Final Cut, but it’s a sit back with the headphone experience and full of great songs, production and amazing lyrics. If someone is a big DSOTM fan or loves the happier-pop Gilmour stuff then there is none of that, so I can see the hate. I still think it’s WAY better than anything he did post-Floyd.

[uwec95]

I absolutely love both of these albums. They are both full of great songs, and the tours were outstanding. If I have to choose I will give The Division Bell a slight edge, just because of the greatness of "Take It Back" and "High Hopes."

[Ryan81]

Although Pink Floyd has probably been my favorite band for the last couple of years (due to having discovered the Animals effort) I must admit I haven't heard all of The Division Bell. High Hopes is an amazing song about magnets that has brought me to tears more than once I will embarrassingly admit. However, I will give the nod to Momentary Lapse due to being much more familiar with it. Sorrow is a great song that really comes into it's own live. The Delicate Sound Of Thunder version is outstanding! Gilmour's solo that closes out the song is really good (he seems to have a knack for that).

Off topic: If you haven't seen it watch the Roger Waters In The Flesh concert from 2000. It's one of my favorite concert videos. Doyle Bramhall does a really good interpretation of Gilmour's solos. The performance of Dogs is outstanding among many other high points. Even the new song Each Small Candle that closes the show is really good.

https://youtu.be/NDTWsuyDYRM?si=vstgDzugzgRmzwEP

[Wiseacre]

Although Pink Floyd has probably been my favorite band for the last couple of years (due to having discovered the Animals effort) I must admit I haven't heard all of The Division Bell. High Hopes is an amazing song about magnets that has brought me to tears more than once I will embarrassingly admit. However, I will give the nod to Momentary Lapse due to being much more familiar with it. Sorrow is a great song that really comes into it's own live. The Delicate Sound Of Thunder version is outstanding! Gilmour's solo that closes out the song is really good (he seems to have a knack for that).

Off topic: If you haven't seen it watch the Roger Waters In The Flesh concert from 2000. It's one of my favorite concert videos. Doyle Bramhall does a really good interpretation of Gilmour's solos. The performance of Dogs is outstanding among many other high points. Even the new song Each Small Candle that closes the show is really good.

https://youtu.be/NDTWsuyDYRM?si=vstgDzugzgRmzwEP

I saw the IN THE FLESH tour and it was fantastic. They even had quadraphonic sound so all the dark barking and stuff came from all around. That DVD is great. A highlight for me is the killer version of “Set the Controls For the Heart of the Sun” which is an underrated classic that really sounds great live:

[diablomozart]

Division Bell wins for High Hopes alone. Coming Back To Life, What Do You Want From Me, and Keep Talking, are all killers too.

that outro solo is a real stunner for sure...one of my favorites of his...d.m.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Although Pink Floyd has probably been my favorite band for the last couple of years (due to having discovered the Animals effort)

Man, when you say you were on drugs, you were really ON DRUGS...

[ElectrickMagick]

I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.

[Bono Nettencourt]

I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.

This all day. They had to break up. The tours helped too. Nobody saw the Wall so by 87 they were starved for Floyd.

[Love_Industry]

Funny how Floyd and Zep seem to be the only dinosaurs that never settled their differences for the easy reunion cash.

Or went the revolving door route. Floyd replaced Syd Barrett but that's about it. And it's like Rush replacing Rutsey. Once the band found its classic sound and line-up they stayed the same. With guest musicians on the later Floyd albums but no other official members even when Waters left.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Funny how Floyd and Zep seem to be the only dinosaurs that never settled their differences for the easy reunion cash.

Or went the revolving door route. Floyd replaced Syd Barrett but that's about it. And it's like Rush replacing Rutsey. Once the band found its classic sound and line-up they stayed the same. With guest musicians on the later Floyd albums but no other official members even when Waters left.

Good point (tho they did fire Rick Wright at Roger's behest)

[HoldenSSV]

I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.

I like The Final Cut but a better title would have been, Yeah, I Still Have Daddy issues.

[Darrien]

I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.

Yep exactly. Those two Gilmour albums blend right into the soundscape of all things Pink Floyd. Waters lost touch with the fan base by The Final Cut, and then he did Pros and Cons, and Radio Chaos, the latter being absolute trash, the dude had run out of steam.
Though Waters writing in PF goes without saying, he has put out nothing of worth since his departure from the band.