NIVARNA REUNION

[Sleek]

Naw, listen to those verses on that song...they just grind. No chord changes, no changes that would let you find your place...combined with a bad IE mix, you could easily end up disoriented.

Mind you, I hate in-ears and think they are responsible for a lot of really shitty performances since they came along, especially with vocalists who are suddenly singing out of tune after decades of being fine...like the Meat Loaf, Axl Rose and Ozzy stuff where they are clearly thinking the song is in a different pitch, probably because they could finally get their own voice louder than shit without any annoying guitars...but then they don't have a pitch center like you get from actually hearing the melodic instruments.

It's liiiike, if you use them 100 times and have your own IE mix guy, you can dial them in good enough, but if you are just chucking a set in and running out on stage, then you're taking chances, which is what happened here.

The other problem with ears is that on a "regular" stage, if you can't hear something, you get closer to it or turn up your amp or whatever, but with ears, you are just stuck with whatever mix you have. Guitars not loud enough? Fuck you. That is how you're going to hear them. Guitars too loud? Also fuck you.

The other thing I hate is that they are also sound isolating, so you can be yelling at one of the other people on stage going: "HEY! YOU MISSED A VERSE!" and they can't fucking hear you.

[CrankerBait]

It was a little sloppy, but I enjoyed it. I thought all the guest vocalists brought something cool to the performance. Nice to see the ex-Nirvana guys on stage together again. Especially liked Grohl back behind the kit playing his ass off on those songs.

[poisonheart]

Naw, listen to those verses on that song...they just grind. No chord changes, no changes that would let you find your place...combined with a bad IE mix, you could easily end up disoriented.

Yeah, I’ll defer to you here, provided I don’t have to listen to that clusterfuck in total again.

I was premising this on the appearance of both monitors being out at some point, but an initial attempt at viewing a “better quality” clip shows just one for the 30 seconds or so I could tolerate.

I’ve used IEMS exactly once backing up a guy who flew in everything from Ableton. But everything to a click there. Still awful. Never again.

It’s still odd that’s she’s the only one with latency issues. I suppose that’s down to the pack itself, then?

[Lobo]

This isn't a super complex prog band like YES or King Crimson. It's fucking Nirvana. Pretty basic stuff.

Why even bother with in ears? Again, it's not overly complex, it's Nirvana.

They couldn't get it right, which IMO says a lot about today and technology in general.

This band was the drummer and guitarist/singer. Bassist was always interchangeable.

A 3-piece with nothing intricate whatsoever.

[tym]

So...Dave's fuckin' them chicks?

No them chicks are fucking dave and playing the lottery, come on baby gravy, momma wants a new car.

[FreddyFender]

Naw, listen to those verses on that song...they just grind. No chord changes, no changes that would let you find your place...combined with a bad IE mix, you could easily end up disoriented.

Mind you, I hate in-ears and think they are responsible for a lot of really shitty performances since they came along, especially with vocalists who are suddenly singing out of tune after decades of being fine...like the Meat Loaf, Axl Rose and Ozzy stuff where they are clearly thinking the song is in a different pitch, probably because they could finally get their own voice louder than shit without any annoying guitars...but then they don't have a pitch center like you get from actually hearing the melodic instruments.

It's liiiike, if you use them 100 times and have your own IE mix guy, you can dial them in good enough, but if you are just chucking a set in and running out on stage, then you're taking chances, which is what happened here.

The other problem with ears is that on a "regular" stage, if you can't hear something, you get closer to it or turn up your amp or whatever, but with ears, you are just stuck with whatever mix you have. Guitars not loud enough? Fuck you. That is how you're going to hear them. Guitars too loud? Also fuck you.

The other thing I hate is that they are also sound isolating, so you can be yelling at one of the other people on stage going: "HEY! YOU MISSED A VERSE!" and they can't fucking hear you.

All of this - throw live pitch correction into the mix, and you're likely to cause many more problems than you solve.

My coverband tried running them for a time - but ffs they are a lot of work. Eventually we all decided let the drummer keep in-ears and drive the ipad with the tracks, so he can get the click, and the rest of us just do it old school.

Only time its been an issue are gigs where they don't have stage monitors, so we have drag out our own. We take very few of those on these days, mainly just weddings that pay $$$.

[Fletch]

That was Zep at Live Aid bad. Oooof.

The “reunion” Nirvana did during a gig with the dude from deer tick was good, best I recall. Way better than whatever this is.

[Jason Jennifer Leigh]

I thought the first girl was Joan Jett and I thought damn she got a new plastic surgeon and some cocaine but it was not to be.

Too bad the real Beach Boys are too old to perform.

[Wiseacre]

They didn’t really have the in-ear shit back in the day when I was actually playing live, but I tried them for some reunion rehearsals several years ago and couldn’t stand it. I gotta hear a loud stage which makes you project and you know what the hell things sound like. With those things in it was like listening to myself on tv in the other room or something. maybe because I’m also a screamer? Maybe if I wasn’t singing they’d be OK, but I don’t care for them.

[Wiseacre]

You’re just not used to them and don’t have a tech that knows how to dial in what you need.

No, I just said what I don’t like about them. It was in rehearsals and I had 100% control over what I heard. I’ve been recording myself for decades and am used to hearing myself in headphones. I even guested with a friend’s band and they used them and had a great sound guy who use to work for my band. They like in-ear I don’t. They just aren’t for me. At least not vocals. If I was doing mellow stuff maybe it would be great, but not for high energy thrash where I sing/scream/yell in several different styles in pretty much every song.

[Wiseacre]

That sounds absolutely horrific. Post a sample.

Me? a sample of me singing/yelling and screaming in a song?

This is our 2019 reunion/farewell show. BTW, we're all over 50 here and this is the 3rd set of a 3-hour show, but you get the idea.

https://youtu.be/09TEK7-CnTM?si=6FVluuKktwdH597D&t=7007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09TEK7-CnTM&t=867s

BTW, sound guy was an old friend who I did demo stuff for back in the day. He was FoH for Fall Out Boy and did a sweet ass mix monitor/stage mix...no in-ears required.