That album sold that little?

[Sleek]

Hot take: British Steel kinda sucks. Zero amazing Rob vocals, boring drums and mostly elementary solos.

Hot take indeed. I get where that's coming from, BS isn't the band that gave us SWOD and SC but I still love it.

Yeah. To me, Priest is like the Scorpions, in that they both had their seventies rock era, then broke with that and became something more modern and, to me, interesting at the end of the seventies.

I personally love British Steel and Point of Entry precisely because they streamlined their sound and made it a machine.

Anyone who thinks they were trying to be AC/DC does not understand what AC/DC is or how their music moves, which is diametrically opposed to what Priest became on BS.

AC/DC is all about the swing, and Priest's 80's sound is very very much about NOT swinging and being sort of mechanical, but in an awesome way.

I used to fucking hate seventies priest because I picked up on them during SFV, and the seventies shit just sounded so sludgey and olde-timey. I like it now, but it is a different thing.

Hot take: The best Rob vocals are ones he does in his lower/mid range.

[Anthrax442]

Hot take: The best Rob vocals are ones he does in his lower/mid range.

He's one of the few that really can do it all. Axl was the same way before his high end turned into Mickey Mouse.

Angel from Angel of Retribution is one that I go to when I think about Rob just singing and not really trying to belt it out.

[Wiseacre]

Hot take: The best Rob vocals are ones he does in his lower/mid range.

um, no. His regular voice is nothing special. No natural rasp, not soulful, not much character at all unlike many other '70s singers. It's his range that was his super-power. See: All of Sad Wigs of Destiny plus "Run of the Mill" from Rocka Rolla, "The Sentinel" from DotF and the title tracks from SFV and Painkiller for a few examples of why he is called the "Metal God".

[VinnieVincentsVag]

Painkiller is mostly shit.

No way. The only song on Painkiller that's meh is Leather Rebel (so of course a live version is one of the bonus tracks on the remastered version).

As far as sales goes, the dedicated fans love it, but it didn't have any singles that had any commercial appeal.

Honestly, all of the 70s\80s heavy metal bands were in a nadir at that point, because the hairbands had fully taken over. Think about it, what classic Heavy Metal band did anything of note from 1988 to 1990? About all I can think of is One from Metallica in 1989, and then Rust hit in late 1990.

Ozzy was around, but wasn't really OZZY again until No More Tears (Late 91)
Judas Priest was done after Turbo
Iron Maiden had bombed with No Prayer, Fear of the Dark was a "comeback" album for them in 1992
Dio was done after Dream Evil
Black Sabbath had been done since Born Again in 83, and even Dehumanizer didn't really do anything in 1992
Motorhead barely moved the needle with 1916, and that was only with Sony pushing the shit out of it (temporarily)
Scorpions didn't get moving with Crazy World until Wind of Change hit in 1991, and Savage Amusement was a giant let down after Love at First Sting

I mean, I suppose you could say Alice Cooper did well with Trash, but that was because it fit in with the rest of the hairbands at the time.

I would just assume any album from a non hairband metal act from 1988 to 1990 didn't sell at all.

My musical taste is all over the place and SFV is firmly in my top-5 albums of all time. Defenders is likely top 25. I couldn't do Painkiller. All the things I loved about Priest at the time were gone. Listening to the tracks I remember was like taking a beating with a pipe.

Haven’t cared for them since double bass dude joined from Racer X.

[Sleek]

Hot take: The best Rob vocals are ones he does in his lower/mid range.

um, no. His regular voice is nothing special. No natural rasp, not soulful, not much character at all unlike many other '70s singers. It's his range that was his super-power. See: All of Sad Wigs of Destiny plus "Run of the Mill" from Rocka Rolla, "The Sentinel" from DotF and the title tracks from SFV and Painkiller for a few examples of why he is called the "Metal God".

Nah he can fuck off with that squeaky shit.

Seriously, his "badass dude" voice like on Livin' After Midnight, Hell Bent for Leather or Hot Rockin' is his super power, and the one that other squeaky singers like King Diamond or Geoff Tate or...I dunno, the little fucker from Greta Van Fleet just can't do.

...and it's funny, because even big gay bob himself can't do it now, tho he can still do the high screams. It is really what I miss from Priest performances in the last 30 years.

[Wiseacre]

Hot take: The best Rob vocals are ones he does in his lower/mid range.

um, no. His regular voice is nothing special. No natural rasp, not soulful, not much character at all unlike many other '70s singers. It's his range that was his super-power. See: All of Sad Wigs of Destiny plus "Run of the Mill" from Rocka Rolla, "The Sentinel" from DotF and the title tracks from SFV and Painkiller for a few examples of why he is called the "Metal God".

Nah he can fuck off with that squeaky shit.

Seriously, his "badass dude" voice like on Livin' After Midnight, Hell Bent for Leather or Hot Rockin' is his super power, and the one that other squeaky singers like King Diamond or Geoff Tate or...I dunno, the little fucker from Greta Van Fleet just can't do.

...and it's funny, because even big gay bob himself can't do it now, tho he can still do the high screams. It is really what I miss from Priest performances in the last 30 years.

Nah, that Billy Idol faux-gruff thing is easy.

[Love_Industry]

AC/DC is all about the swing, and Priest's 80's sound is very very much about NOT swinging and being sort of mechanical, but in an awesome way.

"Sort of" mechanical indeed, because both Binks and Holland were at the core rock drummers who had groove.
It was Scott Travis who made Priest sound robotic and lifeless even on the old songs.

[Wiseacre]

AC/DC is all about the swing, and Priest's 80's sound is very very much about NOT swinging and being sort of mechanical, but in an awesome way.

"Sort of" mechanical indeed, because both Binks and Holland were at the core rock drummers who had groove.
It was Scott Travis who made Priest sound robotic and lifeless even on the old songs.

Binks was awesome. Holland was mostly a snooze-fest.

[diablomozart]

Hot take: British Steel kinda sucks. Zero amazing Rob vocals, boring drums and mostly elementary solos.

Hot take indeed. I get where that's coming from, BS isn't the band that gave us SWOD and SC but I still love it.

Yeah. To me, Priest is like the Scorpions, in that they both had their seventies rock era, then broke with that and became something more modern and, to me, interesting at the end of the seventies.

I personally love British Steel and Point of Entry precisely because they streamlined their sound and made it a machine.

Anyone who thinks they were trying to be AC/DC does not understand what AC/DC is or how their music moves, which is diametrically opposed to what Priest became on BS.

AC/DC is all about the swing, and Priest's 80's sound is very very much about NOT swinging and being sort of mechanical, but in an awesome way.

I used to fucking hate seventies priest because I picked up on them during SFV, and the seventies shit just sounded so sludgey and olde-timey. I like it now, but it is a different thing.

Hot take: The best Rob vocals are ones he does in his lower/mid range.

i gotta agree with your hot take...he sounded great on out in the cold too...d.m.

[Sleek]

The switch from Binks to Holland was a big part of the straightening-out of the grooves, if not the band itself.

[Wiseacre]

The switch from Binks to Holland was a big part of the straightening-out of the grooves, if not the band itself.

Crazy talk. Zero "groove" from Holland ever. Listen to Unleashed in the East (along with Stained Class and HBFL) and you'll hear what the band should have always sounded like. Losing Binks was a HUGE mistake.