I DESPISE THIS STUFF ... Faith No More's drummer talking about Mike Patton bailing a tour in the 11th hour!

[MetalSludgeCEO]

This is 1 of the reasons as to why being in a band, is MUCH more complex than the guys "just showing up" and playing for the fans.

Whether it's Bach in Skid Row, Izzy or Adler being in GNR, Peter & Ace being in KISS, and 100 other scenarios.

It's not as easy as one might assume, or think, or suggest... unless you're in their shoes, you (we) truly don't know.

Sounds like these guys... are left wondering... will we ever do shows with our singer again, or not?

Similarly, the same thoughts may cross the minds of CC, Rikki & Bobby, when Bret does 50-75 solo shows every year, and they have to wait every 3-4-5 years to do a tour with him in Poison.

The article below details how Faith No More rehearsed for 6 months as a band, preparing for a 75 show tour, and Patton bailed as the gear was on its way to show #1.

Literally 36 hours before they were to take the stage...after a half year of planning, promoting and preparing, the rug was pulled out from under them. Ugh!

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MIKE BORDIN: MIKE PATTON Has 'Gone From Being Unable' To Play With FAITH NO MORE To 'Being Unwilling To Do Shows With Us'


During an appearance on the latest episode of the "Let There Be Talk" podcast with rock and roll comedian Dean Delray, FAITH NO MORE drummer Mike Bordin spoke about the band's current status, three and a half years after FAITH NO MORE scrapped all of its previously announced fall 2021 performances, saying singer Mike Patton was unable to perform as hoped due to mental health issues, partially exacerbated by the pandemic. Bordin said (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "All I can say is, and I think I do want this to be on the record, actually — because we don't promote ourselves, we don't talk about ourselves, and that's, that's really been to our detriment. But we'd been rehearsing for six months for these dates [in September/October 2021]. We'd been rehearsing instrumentally and we incredibly sounded phenomenal. I mean, the bass player said, 'I've never heard us sound this good. This is how these songs sounded in my mind.' And we've never gotten that on album, on live, whatever. I mean, we were ready, we were prepared. And it came to pass that when the gear was in the truck, when it was rolling to Chicago, 36 hours before we were supposed to be on stage, and our guy [Mike Patton] doesn't show for the rehearsal, the one rehearsal that we're gonna do. And we go to go see him and see what's going on. 'What the hell's going on here? Our gear's rolling already to the gig.' And it was very clear that he was unable at that point to physically do it. We made the decision that, 'Look, we've gotta support our guy.' It's gonna be a shit storm canceling fucking 75 shows, but none of us wants to be the guy that breaks his back and forces him to do something that he's not in the position to be able to do. It wasn't even an argument. The only argument was, 'How the fuck did we logistically do this? Because we have to.' I mean, we did support him in our way, and whether that's perceived or not is beyond — I can't control it. So we pull these shows and just wait to see. Hopefully things are better, and try to find out what we can around the edges. But ultimately shows get started to get booked with another band," referencing Patton's sporadic appearances with his long-running avant-garde/thrash band MR. BUNGLE in the last two and a half years, "and that's continued to this day. So it's my take, my position, my statement on it is that he's gone from being unable to do the shows to clearly being unwilling to do shows with us. And that's heavy. That's a big difference. That's a big difference. And we haven't really had much dialogue on it."

Bordin continued: "It doesn't feel great to me. It honestly kind of hurts my feelings a little bit, but that's personal. That's a private thing. It's business. We were never gonna force somebody to do something that they weren't able to do. And now, as I say, it looks like it's more really about being willing to do it."

Bordin clarified that he is "grateful for what [Patton has] given to us. I mean, we're blessed to have been blessed by such a gigantic, enormous talent," he said. "And the future? I don't know. Will he be willing to do stuff or not? It's not for me to say.

"I tell my kids a lot of times, especially when they were young, it's, like, appreciate what you have and don't really trip on what you don't have," the drummer continued. "So I'm grateful for the time we had with [former FAITH NO MORE guitarist] Jim [Martin]. I'm grateful for the time we have with [former FAITH NO MORE singer] Chuck [Mosley]. I'm grateful for the time even we had with [former FAITH NO MORE member] Courtney [Love] 'cause we learned from all of it. And certainly am I grateful for the time with Mike Patton? Yeah, because my life would be very different without it. But I can't force him to do something that he, from where I'm sitting, doesn't seem to wanna do. That's all I can say. And I don't wanna be controversial. I'm not looking for a fucking headline — I'm really not. I'm just trying to tell you sort of what it looks like from here."

This past January, FAITH NO MORE bassist Bill Gould was asked by Chile's Radio Futuro what is going on with the band at the moment. He responded: "I don't know. I honestly don't know. And you don't have to believe me, but there's nothing… Right now we're in a really weird spot, a really strange spot, and I can't really tell you what's going on. I don't know myself. I get different information from people, and I'm in the band, so…"

When the interviewer suggested that Gould "calls the shots" in FAITH NO MORE, Bill replied: "Uh, not really. If I did, probably we'd be playing in Chile next week. [Laughs]"

Last October, FAITH NO MORE keyboardist Roddy Bottum said that the band was on "semi-permanent hiatus".

After FAITH NO MORE canceled its fall 2021 performances, the other members of the band issued a statement expressing their disappointment about the tour cancelation while also throwing their support behind Patton.

FAITH NO MORE, which hasn't played a concert since 2016, initially reunited for touring purposes in 2009, 12 years after issuing its previous studio set, "Album Of The Year", and followed that up with 2015's "Sol Invictus".

In a 2022 interview with The Guardian, Patton revealed he developed agoraphobia and depression during lockdown, and started drinking heavily. "Because I was isolated so much, going outside was a hard thing to do," he said, "and that's a horrible thing. And the idea of doing more FAITH NO MORE shows — it was stressful. It affected me mentally. I don't know why, but the drinking just… happened."

Patton didn't return to the stage until December 2022, when MR. BUNGLE played six shows in South America.

In July 2022, Patton discussed the mental health issues which caused the cancelation of FAITH NO MORE and MR. BUNGLE's live appearances in an interview with Rolling Stone. At the time he said: "It's easy to blame it on the pandemic. But I'll be honest, man: At the beginning of the pandemic, I was like, 'This is fucking great. I can stay home and record.' I've got a home studio. So I was like, 'Yeah, what's the big deal?' And then something clicked, and I became completely isolated and almost antisocial [and] afraid of people. That sort of anxiety, or whatever you want to call it, led to other issues, which I choose not to discuss."

Asked to elaborate on the "other issues" that led to the cancelations and whether that included "substances" and "alcohol", Patton said: "It was a little bit of everything. But mostly, in my experience, it was mostly mental. I saw some therapists and all that stuff, which is the first time I ever had to do that in my life. And they basically diagnosed me as having agoraphobia; like, I was afraid of people. I got freaked out by being around people. And maybe that was because I spent two years basically indoors during Covid. I don't know. Maybe it reinforced feelings that I already had. But just knowing about it, talking about it, really helped."

Mike said that he realized he had a problem "right around the time that FAITH NO MORE was about to go back on the road. That's when I kind of lost it, and it was ugly and not cool," he said. "A few days before we were supposed to go on the road. I told the guys, 'Hey, man, I don't think I can do it.' Somehow my confidence was broken down. I didn't want to be in front of people, which is weird because I spent half of my life doing that. It was very hard to explain. And there were some broken feelings on both sides about it, but it's what I had to do. Because otherwise something really bad could have happened… It was right before our first rehearsal, and I just freaked out. I just said, 'I can't do it.' They had been rehearsing so [pauses] if I were them I'd be really pissed off at me. And they were. And they probably still are. But it's just about being true to yourself and knowing what your limits are. And I knew that if I kept pushing, it could have been some sort of disastrous result. It was just like, 'Goddamn it. Maybe I don't need to do this. Even though I agreed to do it, and it's gonna bum a lot of people out. I gotta take care of myself.' So I'm getting better at that."

As for where things stood with FAITH NO MORE as of July 2022, Patton told Rolling Stone: "Radio silence. [Laughs]. I don't know. We may reschedule stuff; we may not. I'll just leave it at that. It's a little confusing and complicated. So if we do, we do. If we don't, that's cool, too."

> https://www.iheart.com/podcast/299-dean ... ast_widget


> https://blabbermouth.net/news/mike-bord ... ws-with-us

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[Black Stuff]

As equip was moving? Man talk about a major dick move!

[greengoblinrulz]

Completely missed Courtney Love being in the band ........well, wouldnt say "missed"

[keyofgee]

find another singer...or just fold. there are your choices.

[SterileEyes1]

I happened to meet and talk to Mike a few weeks ago up in NorCal. Struck me as an unflappably positive dude. Likes to tell stories, way nicer than he had to be, all that good stuff.

This makes me think of how Michael Anthony is usually really careful with his words if negative stuff comes up. It must have been really really bad for MB to even say this much. Sure sounds like it.

[demolition23]

On another note: I find it kinda weird that Bordin refers to ‘the bass player’ like that

[Zabooka]

According to setlist.fm, Patton’s other band Mr.Bungle has done 58 shows since 2022.

So Patton’s issue is not performing in front of people, it’s with Faith No More.

[Zabooka]

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[Zabooka]

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[HottKarl777]

Patton has always been a fucking prima donna dickhead. Jim Martin is the one that brought him into the band in the first place and he was thanked by getting shitcanned after one more album and tour. Jim acted like a man and Mikey couldn't handle it.

The only reason people come to Mr. Bungle shows is that they are familiar with that dickweed from FNM.

Fuck Patton in his stupid ass.

[Wild Obsession]

Patton has always been a fucking prima donna dickhead.
This ^

The only reason people come to Mr. Bungle shows is that they are familiar with that dickweed from FNM.
This^

Fuck Patton in his stupid ass.
And that^

[NineteenEightyFour]

That will either light fire under his ass or push him away forever. I remember Gould speaking on this recently too, saying he doesn't know what's going on and he's in the band.

[TheDeadBastard]

Patton has always been a fucking prima donna dickhead. Jim Martin is the one that brought him into the band in the first place and he was thanked by getting shitcanned after one more album and tour. Jim acted like a man and Mikey couldn't handle it.

The only reason people come to Mr. Bungle shows is that they are familiar with that dickweed from FNM.

Fuck Patton in his stupid ass.

Bring back Jim, call Corey Glover and head out on tour.

[Anthrax442]

Honestly, I was a bit surprised when they came back in 2009, I didn't think we'd see them again, primarily because Patton wanted to do other stuff.

Bordin's story doesn't add up, though. He said they had been in rehearsals for 6 months and had been sounding really good. You expect me to believe that Patton went from all systems go, to being unable to play due to mental health issues just overnight like that, and they really had no idea it was going to be a problem?

The only way that makes sense to me is if they had been rehearsing WITHOUT Patton for six months, and if that's the case, they had no business booking a major tour.

Now, don't get me wrong, I know mental health stuff is tricky, but usually there are signs that things aren't right before you get to the point where someone collapses that badly.

Personally, I think they should move on without him if he only wants to do Mr. Bungle now. I don't know what the draw for FNM would be without Patton, but it's got to be better than sitting home doing nothing for three years.

[HueyRamone]

The only way that makes sense to me is if they had been rehearsing WITHOUT Patton for six months, and if that's the case, they had no business booking a major tour.

Thats exactly what it was:

But we'd been rehearsing for six months for these dates [in September/October 2021]. We'd been rehearsing instrumentally and we incredibly sounded phenomenal. I mean, the bass player said, 'I've never heard us sound this good.

[Tyketto Meniketti]

The fact they were ready to tour, he canceled for mental health or whatever, then went and did Mr. Bungle... Has to be maddening. That's a dick move.

Good call above, about Corey Glover. That guy's a gracious pro. Call him. He's got a good name draft and would do awesome.

May end up turning out great like Alice In Chains did with Duvall.

[HottKarl777]

Bordin's story doesn't add up, though. He said they had been in rehearsals for 6 months and had been sounding really good. You expect me to believe that Patton went from all systems go, to being unable to play due to mental health issues just overnight like that, and they really had no idea it was going to be a problem?

The only way that makes sense to me is if they had been rehearsing WITHOUT Patton for six months, and if that's the case, they had no business booking a major tour.

Now, don't get me wrong, I know mental health stuff is tricky, but usually there are signs that things aren't right before you get to the point where someone collapses that badly.

You're making a mistake of looking at the situation objectively instead of through the lense of a person who's narcissism is borderline insane. Mike doesn't care about anything but Mike's feelings at the moment.

Just watching the making of Angel Dust you could tell he had his head all the way up his own ass a couple of years in.

Contrarians are never half as clever as they think they are. Throw in a healthy dose of fame and Napoleon complex and there ya go: Mike Patton.

[HueyRamone]

Good call above, about Corey Glover. That guy's a gracious pro. Call him. He's got a good name draft and would do awesome.

May end up turning out great like Alice In Chains did with Duvall.

Hell yeah! A black replacement singer worked in AIC, it can work in FNM!!

[HottKarl777]

Good call above, about Corey Glover. That guy's a gracious pro. Call him. He's got a good name draft and would do awesome.

May end up turning out great like Alice In Chains did with Duvall.

Hell yeah! A black replacement singer worked in AIC, it can work in FNM!!

Actually Glover is a fantastic suggestion. His voice is similar and he has the vibe as well.

[kytepunches]

FNM and Janes Addiction have similar issues with narcissistic asshole front men. Both bands have a license to print money , if they could only get out of their own way. I’m sure Live Nation would jizz their pants if they could get those two on a bill across North America.

[Anthrax442]

The only way that makes sense to me is if they had been rehearsing WITHOUT Patton for six months, and if that's the case, they had no business booking a major tour.

Thats exactly what it was:

But we'd been rehearsing for six months for these dates [in September/October 2021]. We'd been rehearsing instrumentally and we incredibly sounded phenomenal. I mean, the bass player said, 'I've never heard us sound this good.

Thank you. Somehow I managed to read the story twice and miss that part. Just an insane story. Would love to know how they were expecting this to work. You'd think that Patton would have had to have at least been involved for the art direction/lighting/videos/merch etc. for that tour, even if he wasn't rehearsing with them, so they should have at least had SOME interaction.

[FreddyFender]

I know Patton is most of the draw, but it's time to cut their losses. They can still tour and make some decent money if they find a good-enough singer.

[Lobo]

It's been pretty well known for decades that FNM was a band where the members don't really like each other.

The core of the band has been together for a long time. Gould, Bordin and Bottom. They seem to get along.

They've had 3 or 4 guitarists and 3 singers (I think).

Problem is, Patton would be really difficult to replace. I feel like they would have done it a long time ago if it was feasible.

I really think Patton did the reunion with them strictly for the money. He did it long enough to make good money off of it. It lasted around 10 years? Probably did enough touring where he doesn't need to do it anymore if he doesn't really want to.

Mr Bungle does pretty good. Playing large clubs and theatres (around 1,500 - 2,500 capacity places). Plus, they do the European festival circuit which pays well. The songs are shorter than FNM, sets are shorter and the vibe is a lot less serious. Plus, he hand picked some of the guys (Scott Ian, Dave Lombardo) so he gets to play with people that he gets along with.

I don't think you see FNM out there anymore unless they get a new singer. For this band, it's easier said than done.

[Tommy2Tone84]

Patton has always been a fucking prima donna dickhead. Jim Martin is the one that brought him into the band in the first place and he was thanked by getting shitcanned after one more album and tour. Jim acted like a man and Mikey couldn't handle it.

The only reason people come to Mr. Bungle shows is that they are familiar with that dickweed from FNM.

Fuck Patton in his stupid ass.

Bring back Jim, call Corey Glover and head out on tour.

Agreed on both counts. He’s the Jani Lane of alternative rock.

They lost something when they dumped Jim.

Glover would be a long overdue and welcome addition.

[Tommy2Tone84]

Patton has always been a fucking prima donna dickhead. Jim Martin is the one that brought him into the band in the first place and he was thanked by getting shitcanned after one more album and tour. Jim acted like a man and Mikey couldn't handle it.

The only reason people come to Mr. Bungle shows is that they are familiar with that dickweed from FNM.

Fuck Patton in his stupid ass.

Bring back Jim, call Corey Glover and head out on tour.

Agreed on both counts. He’s the Jani Lane of alternative rock.

They lost something when they dumped Jim.

Glover would be a long overdue and welcome addition. I doubt he’d agree to it. He has a damn good day job.

[ijwthstd]

Good call above, about Corey Glover. That guy's a gracious pro. Call him. He's got a good name draft and would do awesome.

May end up turning out great like Alice In Chains did with Duvall.

Hell yeah! A black replacement singer worked in AIC, it can work in FNM!!

Actually Glover is a fantastic suggestion. His voice is similar and he has the vibe as well.

he was great on the Bowie stuff at Afro Bowie a few weeks ago and you wouldn't catch me dead at Cosplay ZIggy Stardust. Not sure I would want to see him in FNM.

I am perfectly happy letting it die, the last album wasn't all that, especially compared to the rest of the catalog.

[Michael Hotts Ghost]

They were a band before Patton so no reason they can't be a band after. Get an unknown guy who can sing the songs. Doesn't have to have the crazy range Patton has, just be able to get through the songs. Theres guys out there. They can even bring Jim back. Fans would probably be on board even more. Might be rough at first but stick to it and they can get past Patton.

[Tyketto Meniketti]

Patton has always been a fucking prima donna dickhead. Jim Martin is the one that brought him into the band in the first place and he was thanked by getting shitcanned after one more album and tour. Jim acted like a man and Mikey couldn't handle it.

The only reason people come to Mr. Bungle shows is that they are familiar with that dickweed from FNM.

Fuck Patton in his stupid ass.

Bring back Jim, call Corey Glover and head out on tour.

Agreed on both counts. He’s the Jani Lane of alternative rock.

They lost something when they dumped Jim.

Glover would be a long overdue and welcome addition. I doubt he’d agree to it. He has a damn good day job.

Actually, Living Color were interviewed on Trunk a few years ago and Glover talked about having to scrape together shows/packages to make decent $$. He sounded wide open to more shows. Probably would consider it.

Lajon W of Sevendust would also rule. They still play a lot, so probably not as feasible.

Screw Patton. His Fantomas was the worst opener I can ever recall. Horsecalling disguised as 'music'.

[tooth]

The only way that makes sense to me is if they had been rehearsing WITHOUT Patton for six months, and if that's the case, they had no business booking a major tour.

Thats exactly what it was:

But we'd been rehearsing for six months for these dates [in September/October 2021]. We'd been rehearsing instrumentally and we incredibly sounded phenomenal. I mean, the bass player said, 'I've never heard us sound this good.

Thank you. Somehow I managed to read the story twice and miss that part. Just an insane story. Would love to know how they were expecting this to work. You'd think that Patton would have had to have at least been involved for the art direction/lighting/videos/merch etc. for that tour, even if he wasn't rehearsing with them, so they should have at least had SOME interaction.

That speaks to how much they "think" they need him, which is clearly a lot. Would you ever work on something for 6 months without a guarantee of some sort? Also, not only did they leave cash on the table, I'm sure they lost cash, because of it. Not too mention all that time spent. Really eye opening what some of these guys are willing to do to stay relevant.

[Anthrax442]

Would you ever work on something for 6 months without a guarantee of some sort?

THIS. Just mind numbing. Someone really fucked up here, whether it was band management, or the members just being like, "oh, it'll be fine, Patton's just eccentric, but he always comes through".