LAglamrocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:25 am
Phil Anselmo spent decades playing Viper Room- Key Club - empty Galaxy Theatre shows..now he does Forum-every arena worldwide and opening every Metallica stadium show with his 90s band…good math
Pantera is way, way bigger and had a WAY bigger impact on rock and metal than Skid Row. Pantera are one of the biggest metal bands, ever!
Skid Row were a hair band, successful for sure and one of the major ones from that genre, but still.
VincentVanWinger wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:45 am
I’d have to think the paycheck from a Skid Row Poison Motley GnR stadium tour would be substantial. They’d sell a fuckton of shirts.
They could do 30 shows over 10 weeks. Separate bus. Put this thing to bed for good. Actually all 4 band should just call it a day at the end. Skid Row can’t keep a singer. Bret clearly doesn’t care about Poison. Motley is a rotting corpse at this point and I love Axl but the voice is gone to the point of embarrassment and the talk of new music is clearly a lie.
Upside is if they just did a farewell tour with SB they’d never have to answer this question ever again. They can still do fly ins with guest singers if the urge to play live hits.
Why would GNR or Motley want SR? Zero drawing power. I they needed a draw, they’d probably get a band that would add to sales.
Question for CEO What do you think current amounts Skid Row and Bas get? It seems like someone would take a hit.
Sebastian opened for Guns n Roses when Axl was fronting and selling all scabs. They played big venues at the time.
Sebastian fucked it a lot over the years. But the other three guys seem insufferable at times. They can’t keep a singer or drummer. They like to blame Sebastian but there is some obvious dysfunction in the band even without Sebastian.
Gronwall left to play with a notorious hot mess like Michael Schenker of all people. That says a lot.
After watching the interview I have a slightly different take.
Sebastian, several times, said "It's business".
Sebastian and Skid Row do pretty much the same exact venues. Solo, he gets full control and the majority of the money. Going back to Skid Row, he's just the singer again. What would you do in that situation? It's not greed, it's just plain business 101. If he can make the same money or more doing what he's doing, why go back?
Doing one big show "just for the fans" is what we all want but again, it's been 30 years. Why go back?
"You want Don Juan DeMarco, the world's greatest lover, to talk to you? What do you know of great love?"
I can tell you part of that "business" has to do with others... meaning, Managers, Booking Agent, etc..
Each have a Manager, and a Booking Agent, along with a set of 'these are our rules, how we do things', for what it's worth.
If Bach returns to Skid Row, I don't see Rachel & Dave saying; "Yeah, and YOUR Manager can commission the shows, that YOUR Agent books for us."
I am pretty sure similar happened with Van Halen and Dave, Motley Crue and Vince, along with Axl/GnR and Slash/Duff.
Skid Row letting Bach's people come in and make decisions and take over the Skid Row way of doing things, is not going to happen, but in truth, the exact opposite.
Bach would have to concede to let Skid Row's team, call those shots, and Bach's Manager and Agent would be out of their Commission.
And that Commission on all ends, adds up over a year or two. Essentially way into the 6 figures and even 7 figures.
Let's say that Skid Row could suddenly demand $75-100k or more, per night, for the reunited lineup, instead of the $$$$$ they are each getting now.
If they did a North American tour run, promoting the Big Reunion, let's average it out at $75k a night, x50 shows is $ 3,750,000.00, plus merch.
Dare we say, $5M gross for that run. A Manager's 20% commission, based on Gross, is $1,000,000.00. And the Agent, gets 10%, which is $500,000.00!
Now, there is $3.5M left for the band, minus expenses, bus, crew, and the rest.
If Bach went back to Skid Row, I don't see them agreeing with "their team", Manager, Agent, etc... to say, "Let's have Baz's Team be our Team."
And you can bet, if this happened, there would be a lot of very nice pay-days, with Festivals being 3-4-5x that amount.
A lot of money on the table, but at the same time, a lot of fingers wanting to be in that pie... and as strained as their relationship has been with him even at a distance for 25+ years, if they bring him closer, the last thing they are going to do is relinquish control on all ends.
Having him in the band, be their singer, etc... will already be challenging enough, but to let his longtime Manager and Agency step in and start taking over... if likely NEVER going to happen.
In the end... even if they split things evenly, Bach is going to have to conform, to their way of life, with their team, and so on.
Especially considering, he is the one in the press asking for this, they're not.
The Business is getting in the way, likely because Bach is NOT agreeing to their Business.
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VincentVanWinger wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:45 am
I’d have to think the paycheck from a Skid Row Poison Motley GnR stadium tour would be substantial. They’d sell a fuckton of shirts.
They could do 30 shows over 10 weeks. Separate bus. Put this thing to bed for good. Actually all 4 band should just call it a day at the end. Skid Row can’t keep a singer. Bret clearly doesn’t care about Poison. Motley is a rotting corpse at this point and I love Axl but the voice is gone to the point of embarrassment and the talk of new music is clearly a lie.
Upside is if they just did a farewell tour with SB they’d never have to answer this question ever again. They can still do fly ins with guest singers if the urge to play live hits.
GNR does not need those other bands for a stadium/arena level tour.. Motley does... Motley pushed really hard to try and get that GNR/Motley thing to happened but just didn't pan out.. maybe Axl doesnt want it? and they don't need motley
LAglamrocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:25 am
Phil Anselmo spent decades playing Viper Room- Key Club - empty Galaxy Theatre shows..now he does Forum-every arena worldwide and opening every Metallica stadium show with his 90s band…good math
Pantera is way, way bigger and had a WAY bigger impact on rock and metal than Skid Row. Pantera are one of the biggest metal bands, ever!
Skid Row were a hair band, successful for sure and one of the major ones from that genre, but still.
So does not make sense to compare those two.
And people on here say KISS fans are delusional.
-Pantera were a hair band too and were heavily influenced by the genre
-Skid Row gave Pantera a big opportunity and were singing their praises early on in 1992. They were roughly the same age and had a lot of the same influences.
-Skid Row, like Pantera, had a lot of different influences: Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Punk Rock, Speed Metal, even some New Wave
-Pantera did very respectable business in the 90s but they were never The Who, Deep Purple, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica, or even Slayer as far as I was concerned.
Pantera were never GNR level. Skid Row and Pantera have roughly the same amount of certifications by the RIAA. Skid Row is a little over 7 million. Pantera is at 6.5 million.
All of this talk about them touring with Poison or Motley on a hypothetical reunion seems a little delusional. Didn't Bach used to insult Poison and hate being lumped together with them, genre-wise? And didn't he have a whole shitting contest (or several) with bands who play to tracks? Well, Motley is all tracks except for the one instrument that would benefit from it (vocals).
Deege wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:06 am
All of this talk about them touring with Poison or Motley on a hypothetical reunion seems a little delusional. Didn't Bach used to insult Poison and hate being lumped together with them, genre-wise? And didn't he have a whole shitting contest (or several) with bands who play to tracks? Well, Motley is all tracks except for the one instrument that would benefit from it (vocals).
Bret would have Bas on tour in a second if he thought it would allow him to fill arenas.
Shit, he would suck Bas’s d*ck just to say he almost broke his neck doing it if it would get him on the cover of People again.
Deege wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:06 am
All of this talk about them touring with Poison or Motley on a hypothetical reunion seems a little delusional. Didn't Bach used to insult Poison and hate being lumped together with them, genre-wise? And didn't he have a whole shitting contest (or several) with bands who play to tracks? Well, Motley is all tracks except for the one instrument that would benefit from it (vocals).
Nikki always bagged on Poison and Poison opened on the stadium tour and by most accounts was the best band on the bill.
Deege wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:06 am
All of this talk about them touring with Poison or Motley on a hypothetical reunion seems a little delusional. Didn't Bach used to insult Poison and hate being lumped together with them, genre-wise? And didn't he have a whole shitting contest (or several) with bands who play to tracks? Well, Motley is all tracks except for the one instrument that would benefit from it (vocals).
LAglamrocker wrote: ↑Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:25 am
Phil Anselmo spent decades playing Viper Room- Key Club - empty Galaxy Theatre shows..now he does Forum-every arena worldwide and opening every Metallica stadium show with his 90s band…good math
Pantera is way, way bigger and had a WAY bigger impact on rock and metal than Skid Row. Pantera are one of the biggest metal bands, ever!
Skid Row were a hair band, successful for sure and one of the major ones from that genre, but still.
So does not make sense to compare those two.
And people on here say KISS fans are delusional.
-Pantera were a hair band too and were heavily influenced by the genre
-Skid Row gave Pantera a big opportunity and were singing their praises early on in 1992. They were roughly the same age and had a lot of the same influences.
-Skid Row, like Pantera, had a lot of different influences: Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Punk Rock, Speed Metal, even some New Wave
-Pantera did very respectable business in the 90s but they were never The Who, Deep Purple, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica, or even Slayer as far as I was concerned.
Pantera were never GNR level. Skid Row and Pantera have roughly the same amount of certifications by the RIAA. Skid Row is a little over 7 million. Pantera is at 6.5 million.
Say what you will, but Pantera is definitely more influential than Skid Row and as a metal band, one of the biggest.
Pantera is way, way bigger and had a WAY bigger impact on rock and metal than Skid Row. Pantera are one of the biggest metal bands, ever!
Skid Row were a hair band, successful for sure and one of the major ones from that genre, but still.
So does not make sense to compare those two.
And people on here say KISS fans are delusional.
-Pantera were a hair band too and were heavily influenced by the genre
-Skid Row gave Pantera a big opportunity and were singing their praises early on in 1992. They were roughly the same age and had a lot of the same influences.
-Skid Row, like Pantera, had a lot of different influences: Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Punk Rock, Speed Metal, even some New Wave
-Pantera did very respectable business in the 90s but they were never The Who, Deep Purple, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica, or even Slayer as far as I was concerned.
Pantera were never GNR level. Skid Row and Pantera have roughly the same amount of certifications by the RIAA. Skid Row is a little over 7 million. Pantera is at 6.5 million.
Say what you will, but Pantera is definitely more influential than Skid Row and as a metal band, one of the biggest.
"""""""""Say what you will, but Pantera is definitely more influential than Skid Row and as a metal band, one of the biggest.""""""""""
THIS all day, EVERY day and night!
Go to any concert or festival featuring Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, etc... and if you did a survey, or counted T-shirts... Pantera would be an overwhelming favorite, far beyond Skid Row. (No pun intended).
Skid Row sold 90% of their records off of 2 Power Ballads, that hit exactly when Power Ballads were the core of radio in America.
These heavier bands have stood the test of time, more so than many of the hair metal or glam bands.
Also, as sad as it is... the 2 dead guys give that band all the more respect. As crazy as that is to say... add a death or two to any band, and their legacy suddenly goes up!
The Ramones are bigger today than they ever were when alive.
If SR never sold any more tickets with Lizzy Hale, an established "star" in her own right, fronting them then they're not gonna sell any more tickets with some guy known for playing 40 year old songs on the corndog circuit on the mic. Even if he is the original singer, the annoyance/reward factor isn't nearly high enough for the band to ever want him back.
Pantera is way, way bigger and had a WAY bigger impact on rock and metal than Skid Row. Pantera are one of the biggest metal bands, ever!
Skid Row were a hair band, successful for sure and one of the major ones from that genre, but still.
So does not make sense to compare those two.
And people on here say KISS fans are delusional.
-Pantera were a hair band too and were heavily influenced by the genre
-Skid Row gave Pantera a big opportunity and were singing their praises early on in 1992. They were roughly the same age and had a lot of the same influences.
-Skid Row, like Pantera, had a lot of different influences: Heavy Metal, Hard Rock, Glam Rock, Punk Rock, Speed Metal, even some New Wave
-Pantera did very respectable business in the 90s but they were never The Who, Deep Purple, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica, or even Slayer as far as I was concerned.
Pantera were never GNR level. Skid Row and Pantera have roughly the same amount of certifications by the RIAA. Skid Row is a little over 7 million. Pantera is at 6.5 million.
Say what you will, but Pantera is definitely more influential than Skid Row and as a metal band, one of the biggest.
Deep Purple
Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Scorpions
Iron Maiden
Metallica
Megadeth
Slayer
Skid Row & Pantera.
Skid Row still has Pantera, who themselves weren’t opposed to releasing “ballads” such as Cemetery Gates, This Love, their cover of Planet Caravan, still has 500k more records sold than Pantera.
If you really want to argue, “18 & Life” wasn’t about dry humping your high school crush. So if those above Pantera songs are “ballads” then I’m not sure how 18 & Life is, since it’s about two drunk guys fucking around with a gun and one guy shooting the other. The only real legit “power ballad” Skid Row had was “I Remember You.” Lyrically, their other “ballads” weren’t about f*cking while drinking beer in the back seat of the Nova at the beach.
Scab Row opened for KISS in 2000 in sheds averaging 25k-30k a night. So let’s put a buffer on over exaggerating Pantera’s place in the metal pantheon. Lemmy and Motörhead had less record sales than both Skid Row and Pantera and are arguably more influential than both bands.
