KISS - Take It Off

[NeonKnite]

Eric and Tommy are so important to KISS that when you go to KissOnline it's very hard to find them there amidst all the Gene/Paul/Ace/Peter era imagery.

You have to look long and hard.

[DangerZone]

Eric singer was so bothered by Peter
he had to reach for 78solo album heights
by joining soul station

[DangerZone]

I don’t think even RisingFarce would argue that’s not the type of sugar papa likes

[risingfarce]

In-demand musicians work and make money. Nobody was calling Peter Criss at that time.

Peter was semi-retired at that point in time. Ace called him a couple years later.

Peter never had to pretend to be Eric Singer. Eric Singer has made a career out of pretending to be Peter Criss.

Semi-retired? LOL. Nobody wanted anything to do with him.

"Ace called him a couple of years later"? Ace didn't even want Peter to play drums on any of his solo lps. Ace knew Peter sucked. Ace knew Eric Singer was the real deal. You think that Ace and Peter were friends. Ace constantly threw Peter under the bus during the entire reunion era.

Peter wished he had the skill of Eric Singer. Go watch the intro conversations on "KISS Unplugged". Peter discussed how he wanted Eric Singer to lead and play the fills while Peter was just going to play time. Watch "2000 Man" as Paul has to get Peter in time on such a simple drum pattern. Peter sucked, plain and simple.

Eric Singer made his career by being an in-demand drummer. Peter Criss was never in demand. Other musicians knew that he was a hack drummer and an asshole and former alcoholic and drug addict.

[risingfarce]

Had nothing to do with Singer's skills. He had to leave the recording sessions for an Alice Cooper tour. That's what an in-demand musician does. Then you have Peter Criss. Nobody was knocking on his door at that time.

And yet when they had to record Psycho Circus, they brought in Valentine over Singer. By the way, Valentine is 100 times the drummer Singer is.

Singer wanted nothing to do with KISS during "Psycho Circus". He was pissed off with Gene and badmouthed him several times in interviews.

Kevin Valentine was brought in because Peter Criss sucked.

Tommy Thayer was brought in because Ace was a full-blown alcoholic and drug addict, which lead to his unreliability. Plus, Ace's playing had already deteriorated by that point.

Kevin Valentine did nothing special on "Take It Off" and the songs that he played on on "Psycho Circus".

[risingfarce]

do people in 2025 still debate with losers like Risingtard? I mean we all know what she is. Never going to change her mind. I dont blame her tho, she who she is. I do find a concern for those that choose to engage her

60 year old male. It's obvious that you're a 10 year old cunt.

[risingfarce]

Eric and Tommy are so important to KISS that when you go to KissOnline it's very hard to find them there amidst all the Gene/Paul/Ace/Peter era imagery.

You have to look long and hard.

Eric and Tommy are no longer employees of Paul and Gene. Just like Peter and Ace are no longer employees of Paul and Gene.

Paul and Gene don't own kissonline.com anymore.


https://www.kissonline.com/

© 2025 Pophouse Entertainment

[HueyRamone]

do people in 2025 still debate with losers like Risingtard? I mean we all know what she is. Never going to change her mind. I dont blame her tho, she who she is. I do find a concern for those that choose to engage her

60 year old male. It's obvious that you're a 10 year old cunt.

Hey, risingfarce! How ya been, man?

[NeonKnite]

Eric and Tommy are no longer employees of Paul and Gene. Just like Peter and Ace are no longer employees of Paul and Gene.

Paul and Gene don't own kissonline.com anymore.


https://www.kissonline.com/

© 2025 Pophouse Entertainment

They were never anything more than employees and there's not one shred of music from that lineup that anyone cares about.

At least Pop House understands who mattered and where the money is.

I'm gonna guess it won't be long before they cut a deal with Ace and Peter to be a part of the avatars.

[risingfarce]

Eric and Tommy are no longer employees of Paul and Gene. Just like Peter and Ace are no longer employees of Paul and Gene.

Paul and Gene don't own kissonline.com anymore.


https://www.kissonline.com/

© 2025 Pophouse Entertainment

They were never anything more than employees and there's not one shred of music from that lineup that anyone cares about.

At least Pop House understands who mattered and where the money is.

I'm gonna guess it won't be long before they cut a deal with Ace and Peter to be a part of the avatars.

Actually, they were well-respected employees. Can't say the same about Ace and Peter.

KISS' largest attended concert and KISS' longest (most concerts)/highest grossing tour had nothing to do with Peter and Ace.

Pophouse is going to post what is being sold at that given moment. Right now, it's "Dressed To Kill" and the Las Vegas KISS Army weekend.

KISS' Facebook page covers all eras.

Gene and Paul have input on the creation of the avatar show. It's not just Pophouse's decisions.

[NeonKnite]

KISS' largest attended concert and KISS' longest (most concerts)/highest grossing tour had nothing to do with Peter and Ace.

I remember the real KISS doing 4 consecutive nights at Madison Square Garden on the reunuon tour in the first month of the tour. Playing multiple nights in Pittsburgh and Cleveland You certainly weren't there. I did 16 shows on that tour. It was magical.

Apparently, limping to the finish line while lip syncing is something to be celebrated. Do you have even an ounce of self respect?

It's quite something how divorced from reality you are in order to live contently in some imaginary world you've concocted in your head. Very MAGA like.

[risingfarce]

KISS' largest attended concert and KISS' longest (most concerts)/highest grossing tour had nothing to do with Peter and Ace.

I remember the real KISS doing 4 consecutive nights at Madison Square Garden on the reunuon tour in the first month of the tour. Playing multiple nights in Pittsburgh and Cleveland You certainly weren't there. I did 16 shows on that tour. It was magical.

Apparently, limping to the finish line while lip syncing is something to be celebrated. Do you have even an ounce of self respect?

It's quite something how divorced from reality you are in order to live contently in some imaginary world you've concocted in your head. Very MAGA like.

There was nothing magical about KISS from 1996 to 2000. The worst group of musicians to be performing on a KISS stage ever. Peter and Ace sucked.

"Real KISS". In 1996. LOL. Two alcoholic, drug addicts who had seen better days in their playing. Those two were now employees of Paul and Gene and acted like it. There was no magic up on that stage. Four guys who couldn't stand one another. I saw three shows on the "Alive/Worldwide" tour (two nights in Boston and one night in Providence (a half hour from my house; had no interest in going; only went because my younger brother won tickets from 'HJY)). I skipped both "Psycho Circus" shows in Boston. Had no interest in the band, that tour, and that cd. Saw three shows on the "Farewell" tour (two nights in Mansfield, MA and one night in Providence (a tear drop show)). Ace and Peter sucked at all six shows. Gene was just Gene. Paul was the only one putting out effort. Still singing well during those tours.

Like I said, the "End Of The Road" tour was KISS' longest tour (250 shows; the first tour to go over the 200 mark) and it grossed the most amount of money. The tour had nothing to do with Peter and Ace. Funny how Ace was begging to come back the entire time. Sucks to be him.

MAGA like? Fuck you. I've never voted for a repuglican in my life. Fucking clown show going on right now.

[BernieTaupson]

There was nothing magical about KISS from 1996 to 2000.

Ticket sales were certainly magical.

Hell, you went to see them six times and you hated them, you fucking weirdo!

[BernieTaupson]

Oh and the 2000 Farewell would have absolutely hit 250 shows too except Ace’s contract ran out after the 2001 leg and he simply wouldn’t come back. They begged him to come back for a European leg and then another go around of the USA (like the 1997 “Lost Cities” leg) but Ace was on heroin and wouldn’t do it. He also hated Gene for putting that photo of him kissing a guy in his book.

They did 142 shows on the first Farewell tour in thirteen months and only 250 on the End of the Road over four years! I know you have to allow for Covid, but that’s still nowhere near the workload of the 2000-01 tour is it. EOTR started Jan 2019 so they had an entire 14 months before Covid interruptions were even a thing anyway, longer than the entire length of the first Farewell tour.

[Tommy2Tone84]

At first I thought Farce was in love with Eric Singer. Now I’m beginning to think he is Eric Singer.

[risingfarce]

There was nothing magical about KISS from 1996 to 2000.

Ticket sales were certainly magical.

Hell, you went to see them six times and you hated them, you fucking weirdo!

Correct, ticket sales were magical. The band on stage, musically, was anything but magical.

I went to see Paul and Gene. That's about it.

[BernieTaupson]

Gene has fucking awful as well. From 1998 he just stood there looking goofy sticking his tongue out. No demon or aggression at all. Not even the Revenge tour guy with makeup, it was more like a mascot on a parade float or something. And WAYYY too many stupid cliches over and over again, “I like it” etc. He was cool in the 70s when he didn’t speak.

[risingfarce]

Oh and the 2000 Farewell would have absolutely hit 250 shows too except Ace’s contract ran out after the 2001 leg and he simply wouldn’t come back. They begged him to come back for a European leg and then another go around of the USA (like the 1997 “Lost Cities” leg) but Ace was on heroin and wouldn’t do it. He also hated Gene for putting that photo of him kissing a guy in his book.

They did 142 shows on the first Farewell tour in thirteen months and only 250 on the End of the Road over four years! I know you have to allow for Covid, but that’s still nowhere near the workload of the 2000-01 tour is it. EOTR started Jan 2019 so they had an entire 14 months before Covid interruptions were even a thing anyway, longer than the entire length of the first Farewell tour.

They played 142 shows on the "Farewell" tour. That's it. Doesn't matter if Ace was in full-blown alcoholic and drug addict mode. They didn't reach 200 shows, never mind 250.

You're a dumbass. It took KISS four years to complete the "End Of The Road" tour due to the covid crisis. Paul got sick at least twice. Gene was also sick. Multiple legs of the tour had to be rescheduled, some legs more than once. Some countries and cities ended up being skipped. If every date had been played, the total would have been over 250 shows. There were also places where they never played before that they were trying to get to on their last tour (Israel (never announced), South Africa, El Salvador, Costa Rica (the two Central American dates were attempted twice), Lithuania).

It doesn't matter how hard you try to spin it, Paul/Gene/Eric/Tommy performed KISS' longest and most successful tour.


Ace never learned his lesson. Don't do heroin. Don't kiss a guy. Don't have your photo taken while kissing a guy.

Ace is a dumbass. A lazy one at that. He got exactly what he deserved. No regrets? He has many.

[risingfarce]

At first I thought Farce was in love with Eric Singer. Now I’m beginning to think he is Eric Singer.

Just another moronic post from you.

[risingfarce]

Gene has fucking awful as well. From 1998 he just stood there looking goofy sticking his tongue out. No demon or aggression at all. Not even the Revenge tour guy with makeup, it was more like a mascot on a parade float or something. And WAYYY too many stupid cliches over and over again, “I like it” etc. He was cool in the 70s when he didn’t speak.

As I said above, Gene was Gene.

I'd rank him second as far as performances go.

Circa 1996 to 2000, it was 1) Paul, 2) Gene, 3) Ace, 4) Peter, as far as their performances go. Gene and Ace were bloated. Over-weight. They looked terrible in the makeup and looked fat in the outfits. Plus, when it got to the "Farewell" tour nobody liked one another and the last place Peter and Ace wanted to be was on a KISS stage. The last place Paul wanted to be was on stage with Peter, Ace, and Gene. He had had enough. Yet, even though he hated it, he didn't bring that shit onto the stage the way Ace and particularly Peter did and he gave it his all every night.

[BernieTaupson]

Why do you hate Ace and Peter so much? I think they’re both buffoons, but Gene and Paul are fucking assholes as well, so they all deserve each other.

The way you insanely rant about Ace and Peter and keep obsessively mentioning drugs, you just come across as fucking unhinged man.

Presumably you’ve never had a drink or drug in your life? You’ve clearly got some sort of weird hang up or fear of alcohol and drugs, just like Gene Simmons had or has.

Bro it’s KISS. They’re a fucking joke band anyway. Why take it so seriously? The only thing they’ve been good for for decades is to laugh and see how bad they get.

I hope they DO do some sort of tour or regular shows after this Vegas clusterfuck they’re planning.

[BernieTaupson]

Eric singer was so bothered by Peter
he had to reach for 78solo album heights
by joining soul station

Paul Stanley to Eric Carr “you can’t be in KISS and be in my solo band!”

Paul Stanley to Eric Singer “you can be in KISS and be in my solo band!”

[NeonKnite]

Correct, ticket sales were magical. The band on stage, musically, was anything but magical.

If you watch a show from 1996 and compare it to 2023, the 1996 show is infinitely better in every single way.

The last KISS tour was two guys way past their prime and two soulless, sterile, no personality fill-ins.

And they're so great musically, the setlists sucked and the shows were lip synced.

Risingfarce says "Yay for lip syncing!!"

[BernieTaupson]

Yeah Ace and Peter were sloppy as fuck but the tempos weren’t any slower than EOTR and the guitars weren’t in D and they weren’t running vocal tracks!

Due to Paul’s revisionism people tend to think the tempos were tragically slow but they really weren’t.

https://youtu.be/6N6UL6cdFkY?si=3gyxgWLC0MiPW4MC

https://youtu.be/Tu9O-WQ7ctQ?si=RdwwegmSNTfoSzWD

https://youtu.be/ZU80ejuehQo?si=AZiPD6AYSzCgC1sD

Fuck me they’re actually SLOWER on the last tour with the click track :

https://youtu.be/KtAodazNKkE?si=-uBm4w_3VIOM04a6

[risingfarce]

Why do you hate Ace and Peter so much? I think they’re both buffoons, but Gene and Paul are fucking assholes as well, so they all deserve each other.

The way you insanely rant about Ace and Peter and keep obsessively mentioning drugs, you just come across as fucking unhinged man.

Presumably you’ve never had a drink or drug in your life? You’ve clearly got some sort of weird hang up or fear of alcohol and drugs, just like Gene Simmons had or has.

Bro it’s KISS. They’re a fucking joke band anyway. Why take it so seriously? The only thing they’ve been good for for decades is to laugh and see how bad they get.

I hope they DO do some sort of tour or regular shows after this Vegas clusterfuck they’re planning.

I hate those two because they're losers and they suck as people and as musicians. They blame others for all of their problems. That's what alcoholic and drug addicts do. They sold their souls to Paul and Gene, then whined when the band continued without them. Ace brags about not having been fired from KISS. He's right, he wasn't fired, he quit both times. He hated the band and he hated the fans. He won't even look a paying fan in the eyes at meet and greets. The guy's a POS. Peter never liked the band or the music to begin with. I wish Eric Carr would have been the original drummer. Much better drummer and vocalist than Peter.

They're all fucking assholes, each in his own way. Paul was the only one trying the entire time. That's the difference between him and Gene, Peter, and Ace. That's why he gets a little bit of slack from me for lip-synching for the majority of each concert on the last tour. The last tour being the key here. He only did it on one tour and he said he was done with KISS in makeup and outfits and big stage shows. I said my goodbye at the two shows I attended and I'm good. I saw Paul's voice start to deteriorate starting on the "Rock The Nation" tour in 2004. I attended shows after that where he was terrible. The band was great. The other three members sang well. Eric covered for Paul great with his harmonies and high parts. Tommy did a good job with the backgrounds, too. He has a much better voice than Ace, so the three and four part harmonies sounded the best with the last lineup.

"Unhinged"? Unhinged is you coming into every post of mine. You're just like one of Pavlov's dogs. You can't help yourself. Ask yourself, why do you care so much about what I think. You obviously care a great deal, because you follow me from thread to thread.

I hate Ace and Peter. You come running. You can't help yourself.

I'm not a non-drinker. It's not a big or important part of my life. Seen enough people who are alcoholics and never wanted to be anything like them. Same goes with drug users. People who are so miserable that they need to escape their miserable lives, so they turn to drink and/or drugs. I'll pass.

I don't think KISS is a joke band. You do. I don't care. Lots of great music put out by each lineup and lots of great shows that I've seen by them.

I have no interest in the avatar thing. I have no reason to go to Las Vegas to begin with. The avatar thing isn't KISS. It isn't musical. It's not seeing Paul and Gene. It's not supposed to be something that would tour theaters. If it changed to be this way, I'd pass if it played locally. At the minimum, I'd check out clips on YouTube just to see what it actually is. One and done.

I'm good with KISS being done. Paul's medical issues with his vocal cord hemorrhaging sucked. He was a great vocalist and he lasted a lot longer than most of the great rock vocalists. I was happy with "Sonic Boom" and "Monster", because they were real KISS studio cds (no outside writers and musicians; everyone played their own instruments on each track; they worked together on the songs). There should have been at least one more studio cd from that lineup. I blame Paul for refusing to record more. I also blame Paul for not having Tommy sing at least one track on the last tour and not having Eric sing three songs. I blame Paul for refusing to mix up the setlist (no reason for not playing one or two deep tracks (like on the kruises) during the encore).

I said goodbye in 2019.

Two of my nieces wanted to see them (one hadn't seen them before), so I brought them in 2021. That was my final goodbye.

[risingfarce]

Eric singer was so bothered by Peter
he had to reach for 78solo album heights
by joining soul station

Paul Stanley to Eric Carr “you can’t be in KISS and be in my solo band!”

Paul Stanley to Eric Singer “you can be in KISS and be in my solo band!”

Paul didn't want Carr hired in the first place. Gene and Ace wanted him, so that's why Carr became the new drummer.

Carr wasn't the drummer that Singer is. Carr didn't have the technical abilities that Singer has.

Paul likes Singer as a drummer, because he's a reliable, professional musician who can do the job great, whether it was KISS or Soul Station.

[risingfarce]

Correct, ticket sales were magical. The band on stage, musically, was anything but magical.

If you watch a show from 1996 and compare it to 2023, the 1996 show is infinitely better in every single way.

The last KISS tour was two guys way past their prime and two soulless, sterile, no personality fill-ins.

And they're so great musically, the setlists sucked and the shows were lip synced.

Risingfarce says "Yay for lip syncing!!"

Not at all, with the exception of Paul's vocals.

1996. Great Paul vocals. Gene was Gene. Peter royally sucked. He couldn't even play "Deuce" properly. Dummy downed all of his drum parts. Ace was a sloppy mess. Four guys who didn't like one another. Nothing had changed from the '70s.

2023. Paul's vocals were so deteriorated, that he resorted to lip-synching the majority of each concert, but he put in great effort to entertain at each show. Gene was Gene. Eric's drumming, lead vocals and harmony vocals were great. Tommy was the M.V.P. of the "End Of The Road" tour. He had always played well (since 2004) and he was on fire on the last tour. Good vocalist, too. Eric, in particular, and Tommy helped a struggling Paul with their background vocals.

And stepping away from the musical part of KISS, the 2023 stage production blew away the extremely boring 1996 show in every way.

1996 was two guys who lost what little musical skills they had due to their addictions showing just how bad off they were musically.

Never said "Yay for lip synching", but I understood. If they had continued to tour with Paul doing that, I wouldn't have continued to go any longer.

[risingfarce]

Yeah Ace and Peter were sloppy as fuck but the tempos weren’t any slower than EOTR and the guitars weren’t in D and they weren’t running vocal tracks!

Due to Paul’s revisionism people tend to think the tempos were tragically slow but they really weren’t.

https://youtu.be/6N6UL6cdFkY?si=3gyxgWLC0MiPW4MC

https://youtu.be/Tu9O-WQ7ctQ?si=RdwwegmSNTfoSzWD

https://youtu.be/ZU80ejuehQo?si=AZiPD6AYSzCgC1sD

Fuck me they’re actually SLOWER on the last tour with the click track :

https://youtu.be/KtAodazNKkE?si=-uBm4w_3VIOM04a6

Doesn't matter which key/which tempo the songs were played in, circa 1996 to 2000, Peter sucked. He should have never been a drummer on a KISS stage ever again. Ace was doing his best Fat Elvis imitation. A bloated, disinterested mess. The only reason why he was back in KISS was for the money. That's what happens when you declare bankruptcy after having lost all of your money on alcohol, drugs, and gambling. Paul gets the blame for having two top notch musicians laid off in 1996. He deserved the misery that Peter and Ace provided.

[Earl Skakel]

I am curious how many songs were written for earlier albums, dusted off, and reworked a la VH's ADKOT.

VH were the jedi masters of this. For VH2, I think they wrote one new song, DTNA. For Diver Down, two (Secrets and Little Guitars).
WACF had two all new songs And the Cradle Will Rock and Everybody Wants Some, and Romeo Delight was "new" frankensteined together from at least 2 different early songs.
Half of 1984 was also based on songs written in 76-81.
I believe most of Fair Warning was newly written except for Mean Street, again a frankenstein of Voodoo Queen, She's The Woman and some other bits and pieces.

Gene Simmons is also famous for recycling his own songs. Most of his 1978 solo album is reworked Kiss demos, Calling Dr. Love uses the riff from one demo song and the lyrics/melody from another, etc etc. But nothing I can recall on Revenge, except that he put in a Spinal Tap lyric in Spit as a joke.

I'm asking not telling but wasn't alot of the first Hagar VH album stuff Eddie came up with for the cult movie The Wild Life? That's a very under the radar movie if nobody has seen it, kind of a loose sequel of Fast Times.

[Earl Skakel]

Eric singer was so bothered by Peter
he had to reach for 78solo album heights
by joining soul station

Paul Stanley to Eric Carr “you can’t be in KISS and be in my solo band!”

Paul Stanley to Eric Singer “you can be in KISS and be in my solo band!”

Paul didn't want Carr hired in the first place. Gene and Ace wanted him, so that's why Carr became the new drummer.

Carr wasn't the drummer that Singer is. Carr didn't have the technical abilities that Singer has.

Paul likes Singer as a drummer, because he's a reliable, professional musician who can do the job great, whether it was KISS or Soul Station.

Who did Paul want as the drummer? Would be funny if they asked Anton Fig and he said "I make way more money doing Letterman so no thanks!"