If not John Corabi of The Scream, who would you have picked to replace Vince Neil (of Motley Crue)?

[Love_Industry]

The problem here is I believe Motley Crue (with Vince) probably would've survived grunge just like Van Halen, Aerosmith and AC/DC did. "Primal Scream" was a step in the right direction. Their decision to shitcan Vince at that time in an effort to try to stay current / relevant had the exact opposite effect.

Funny how often this happens. Bands change their sound to stay current but it makes them look even more out of touch and desperate. Some bands have pulled it off - Scorpions, Whitesnake and Pantera for example - but for every band like that there's a bunch of Mötleys, Leppards, Saxons and Uriah Heeps who killed their careers by trying to follow trends.

[jens]

Funny how often this happens. Bands change their sound to stay current but it makes them look even more out of touch and desperate. Some bands have pulled it off - Scorpions, Whitesnake and Pantera for example - but for every band like that there's a bunch of Mötleys, Leppards, Saxons and Uriah Heeps who killed their careers by trying to follow trends.

Did Saxon and Heep really do this, or did they just squeeze out the good albums they had in them and then fade out?

Although I agree with the initial point, for Scorpions and Whitesnake it feels like a pretty natural evolution, and they old stuff never felt out of place live.
Pantera just hardly existed for those first four albums, reinventing yourself is not the same as chasing a trend.

[Love_Industry]

Funny how often this happens. Bands change their sound to stay current but it makes them look even more out of touch and desperate. Some bands have pulled it off - Scorpions, Whitesnake and Pantera for example - but for every band like that there's a bunch of Mötleys, Leppards, Saxons and Uriah Heeps who killed their careers by trying to follow trends.

Did Saxon and Heep really do this, or did they just squeeze out the good albums they had in them and then fade out?

Although I agree with the initial point, for Scorpions and Whitesnake it feels like a pretty natural evolution, and they old stuff never felt out of place live.
Pantera just hardly existed for those first four albums, reinventing yourself is not the same as chasing a trend.

I would say Saxon (Innocence, RTN, Destiny) and even more so Heep (Abominog, Head First and Equator) progressively tried to chase trends when sales didn't live up to expectations, trying to become radio/MTV friendly hard rock bands ala Leppard and Bon Jovi. Those albums to me didn't sound like the same bands who did Wheels of Steel/Denim & Leather or Look At Yourself and Sweet Freedom.

Scorpions I think changed quite a lot after Uli Jon Roth left - not only didn't the others write songs in his style, they also went from writing straightforward hard rock (Backstage Queen, Speedy's Coming) to Priest/Van Halen type radio friendly 80s metal with big choruses (No One Like You, Big City Nights).

[alexleehooker]

Singer from ugly kid Joe: they were more fashionable than Crue AND he sounds like Vince

[Indy_Rob]

Some possibilities:

Davy Vain (Vain)

[JinglesTheChristmasMouse]

Mickey Dolenz.

[MetalSludgeCEO]

Reportedly, Steve Whiteman of KIX and Gerry McGhee of Brighton Rock were really close to getting that Motley gig; along with Stephen Shareaux of Kik Tracee.

Reportedly = Nonsense!

No dis to either of those mentioned... but Motley Crue were all about being cool... or hip, and those 2 guys were the furthest thing from hip or cool.

While living here in L.A. at the height of ALL that was Motley Crue, the 80's and the big breakup and the new singer search...

.....I can tell you here, I have never even heard those names mentioned in any circle, ever... not in 30+ years.

But, I will tell you almost from the get go, Stephen of Kik Tracee was HIGHEST on their list, and Corabi was right behind him.

Nikki was def looking to be different, change it up, go the opposite of the "blond" frontman, Hollywood vibe... and was looking to be 'alternative' for sure!

$tEvil

[Mato]

”singer of Kix, Southgang…or the singer of Tuff” Keep dreaming. The blonde pretty boy frontman look was going out of fashion by late 1990. Corabi was the perfect pick. Three decades later, many love the Corabi Crue album.

[SexxAtraxxion]

If Nikki and Tommy could go back in time, they would sign a then-unknown Jonathan Davis as their new singer, thus inventing Nu-Metal in the process.

[TeslaFan]

Excellent question from an always excellent poster on this board. I like to hear something close to the record though Vince hasn’t done that in a long time. Maybe Ted Poley would have been good .

[Tommy2Tone84]

Maybe the guy from Kik Tracee?

Sebastian Bach? Skid Row were circling the drain by then.

One of the Nelson bros? But which one?

Donnie Vie?

Motley Crue were more or less circling the drain at the time too. All those bands were. People your age thought you were too cool for it and would rather listen to Kurt and Layne complain about their heroin problems. F*cking edgy dude

The long and the short of it is, John was WAY more talented than Vince, had a different, more 70s style even cooler voice than Vince, was a bit more edgy dude than Vince ever was and recorded probably the best album the band ever did. But as you can read in this thread, Motley fans were crying cause “Vinnie wasn’t there.” It didn’t matter. That whole style was old hat cause Tabitha Soren, John Norris and Karen Duffy all told young impressionables like you that shit wasn’t cool anymore, and that you needed to looks towards Seattle for Grunge and LA and NYC for the hardcore gangster rap. YO!

A Motley Crue album with Vince in 1992 or 93 wasn’t going to do shit. They did well but were closer to Poison in many ways than better selling, more mainstream acts like Def Leppard and Bon Jovi.

They might’ve eked out a platinum record at the time but the scene was falling apart at the seams. and Nikki was one of the first to jump ship and give lip service disavowing it. He thought he’d win fans over by doing that and getting out ahead of the curve. He didn’t. He only proved his longtime critics right that he was a f*cking poser. Then again, so we’re Metallica and Axl Rose but they got free passes on that shit.

[jens]

Corabi was the perfect pick. Three decades later, many love the Corabi Crue album.

It IS more popular than Swine on spotify, so some people do like it.
Not as much as New Tattoo though, so the Shit Sandwich still wins.

[joey78]

Well for the Crue, Vince was and is the best frontman .

With regards to talent and quality of music , Corabi is miles ahead

It is rather surprising and unfortunate that Corabi isn’t a household name . Guy is a killer singer and frontman

[Tommy2Tone84]

Reportedly, Steve Whiteman of KIX and Gerry McGhee of Brighton Rock were really close to getting that Motley gig; along with Stephen Shareaux of Kik Tracee.

Reportedly = Nonsense!

No dis to either of those mentioned... but Motley Crue were all about being cool... or hip, and those 2 guys were the furthest thing from hip or cool.

While living here in L.A. at the height of ALL that was Motley Crue, the 80's and the big breakup and the new singer search...

.....I can tell you here, I have never even heard those names mentioned in any circle, ever... not in 30+ years.

But, I will tell you almost from the get go, Stephen of Kik Tracee was HIGHEST on their list, and Corabi was right behind him.

Nikki was def looking to be different, change it up, go the opposite of the "blond" frontman, Hollywood vibe... and was looking to be 'alternative' for sure!

$tEvil

Thank you for bringing clarity to this. I remember Nikki ripping on Vince in interviews at the time for literally having blonde hair. I remember thinking “WTF?” There is no way they were going to hire Steve or even Sebastian for that matter, at the time, simply because of their look and style. The whole thing was petty and completely f*cked.

What I am surprised to read is that Stephen was higher up on the list than John was. They always made it seem like John was the guy.

While I am not much of a fan anymore, I can’t argue with the results they had with John. It’s one of the heaviest and best albums they ever did. I would have embraced Stephen as well. He was an awesome singer and amazing frontman who mixed the glam metal style that we all love with what was happening in the alternative scene at the time with guys like Perry Farrell and Layne Stayley. I enjoyed Stephen more than many singers and frontman from both genres.

Any of you local Los Angelenos who got to see KT on the Hollywood circuit, consider yourselves incredibly lucky. It’s a shame they had to go with Dana Strum as a producer. I think they might’ve made a bigger splash had they been able to work with a big name producer. Dave Jerden, Michael Beinhorn, and Brendan O’Brien were probably too cool for school to produce them at the time.

[Billy Jack]

[Z28]

Bach!

[MOON]

At the time... the Singer of Junkyard

Listen to this below and tell me he wouldn't have been perfect?

https://youtu.be/3lNQlZaGnAg?si=aGGdwRLB1tYWZghb


But I am glad Crabby got the gig.. one of my fav motley records

[rubysdad]

At the time... the Singer of Junkyard

Listen to this below and tell me he wouldn't have been perfect?

https://youtu.be/3lNQlZaGnAg?si=aGGdwRLB1tYWZghb


But I am glad Crabby got the gig.. one of my fav motley records

What’s he doing now?
He could call Thayer for pointers.

[SW]

At the time... the Singer of Junkyard

Listen to this below and tell me he wouldn't have been perfect?

https://youtu.be/3lNQlZaGnAg?si=aGGdwRLB1tYWZghb


But I am glad Crabby got the gig.. one of my fav motley records

What’s he doing now?

Living luxurous life of a rock star.

https://sleazeroxx.com/more-hard-times- ... d-for-him/

[joey78]

Both Mick and Tommy have stated in the last few years that MC94 was the best record they made .

It was a complete left turn and not the motley we all knew but it’s their most consistent record and musically the best .

[pieceofme]

Both Mick and Tommy have stated in the last few years that MC94 was the best record they made .

It was a complete left turn and not the motley we all knew but it’s their most consistent record and musically the best .

MC94 is as dull as dishwasher and even the shorter 3 minute songs are a chore to get through. All their 80s albums are miles better.

[joey78]

Both Mick and Tommy have stated in the last few years that MC94 was the best record they made .

It was a complete left turn and not the motley we all knew but it’s their most consistent record and musically the best .

MC94 is as dull as dishwasher and even the shorter 3 minute songs are a chore to get through. All their 80s albums are miles better.

That’s your personal preference….some enjoy radio - friendly pop, others prefer stellar musicianship

[Love_Industry]

Both Mick and Tommy have stated in the last few years that MC94 was the best record they made .

It was a complete left turn and not the motley we all knew but it’s their most consistent record and musically the best .

MC94 is as dull as dishwasher and even the shorter 3 minute songs are a chore to get through. All their 80s albums are miles better.

Sorry, can't come up with a weird take on this one. You're completely right and I couldn't have said it better.

Also, who did they think would buy a Mötley Crüe album not sounding like Mötley Crüe in 1994? Just as obvious career suicide as Music From The Elder.

[pieceofme]

Both Mick and Tommy have stated in the last few years that MC94 was the best record they made .

It was a complete left turn and not the motley we all knew but it’s their most consistent record and musically the best .

MC94 is as dull as dishwasher and even the shorter 3 minute songs are a chore to get through. All their 80s albums are miles better.

Sorry, can't come up with a weird take on this one. You're completely right and I couldn't have said it better.

Also, who did they think would buy a Mötley Crüe album not sounding like Mötley Crüe in 1994? Just as obvious career suicide as Music From The Elder.

And we do both like Icon Night of the Crime as well.

And think that Slave to the Grind is overrated.