Your thoughts on A Lil Ain't Enough

[Anthrax442]

The story was Roth fucked someone he wasn’t meant to. Record company exec’s wife or something.

Assuming we're talking about ALAE's status, Haven't heard that one. What's been discussed here in the past is that Warner Brothers wanted to do a Van Halen Live Album that had both Roth and Hagar material, and Roth wouldn't sign off on it, so we got Right Here Right Now instead.

So, to be petty, Warner deleted ALAE with it being close to Platinum so they wouldn't have to certify it. The recent box set is the first time Warner had anything to do with it directly since 1991.

[HueyRamone]

Yeah, it's a shame Roth never did a home video - I guess he wanted the movie or bust.

He did a video in 1986.

Wasnt it just his videos, and like 3 minutes of interviews? What a halfassed ripoff. Kiss sXposed was awesome and then Kiss themselves did the Crazy Nights video that had barely anything on it.

[Chip Z'Hoy]

No Holds Bar-B-Que ended up being more home video than anyone wanted or needed.

[Anthrax442]

No Holds Bar-B-Que ended up being more home video than anyone wanted or needed.

No Holds Bar-B-Que is brilliant, you just can't watch more than 5 minutes at a time.

[FreddyFender]

The story was Roth fucked someone he wasn’t meant to. Record company exec’s wife or something.

Assuming we're talking about ALAE's status, Haven't heard that one. What's been discussed here in the past is that Warner Brothers wanted to do a Van Halen Live Album that had both Roth and Hagar material, and Roth wouldn't sign off on it, so we got Right Here Right Now instead.

So, to be petty, Warner deleted ALAE with it being close to Platinum so they wouldn't have to certify it. The recent box set is the first time Warner had anything to do with it directly since 1991.

Where did the close to platinum story come from?

This was pre-Soundscan era, so the Gold cert came from units shipped, not units sold.

As another poster said, discount racks were packed with ALAE in 1989. I would bet my last dollar the thing didn't actually sell a half million units, let alone close to a million.

[HoldenSSV]

Imagine loving something like Van Halen over Vain
Sad f*cking life

Get Davy's dick and spooge out of your ears and listen for a change.

It's a sad fucking life when your aesthetic taste resides solely in your mouth.

[Anthrax442]

The story was Roth fucked someone he wasn’t meant to. Record company exec’s wife or something.

Assuming we're talking about ALAE's status, Haven't heard that one. What's been discussed here in the past is that Warner Brothers wanted to do a Van Halen Live Album that had both Roth and Hagar material, and Roth wouldn't sign off on it, so we got Right Here Right Now instead.

So, to be petty, Warner deleted ALAE with it being close to Platinum so they wouldn't have to certify it. The recent box set is the first time Warner had anything to do with it directly since 1991.

Where did the close to platinum story come from?

This was pre-Soundscan era, so the Gold cert came from units shipped, not units sold.

As another poster said, discount racks were packed with ALAE in 1989. I would bet my last dollar the thing didn't actually sell a half million units, let alone close to a million.

Did you have a time machine? ALAE came out on January 15th of 1991, and Billboard started using Soundscan six weeks later.

[Hellsinkey]

No Holds Bar-B-Que ended up being more home video than anyone wanted or needed.

No Holds Bar-B-Que is brilliant, you just can't watch more than 5 minutes at a time.

It's like reading Crazy From The Heat movie script, no wonder the movie wasn't made.

[FreddyFender]

Did you have a time machine? ALAE came out on January 15th of 1991, and Billboard started using Soundscan six weeks later.

Even better - I Googled it because it was right on the edge. RIAA uses units shipped. Billboard charts/reports actual sales using Soundscan. Billboard didn't start using actual sales until a month after ALAE was certified, so we have no clue how it actually sold vs shipped.

This system has permitted, at times, record labels to promote an album as Gold or Platinum simply based on large shipments. For instance, in 1978 the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band soundtrack shipped Platinum but was a sales bust, with two million returns.[10] Similarly, all four solo albums by the members of Kiss simultaneously shipped Platinum that same year but did not reach the top 20 of the Billboard 200 album chart.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Yeah, it's a shame Roth never did a home video - I guess he wanted the movie or bust.

He did a video in 1986.

Wasnt it just his videos, and like 3 minutes of interviews? What a halfassed ripoff.

Yeah and to pad it out he made a "video" for That's Life that was a montage of still shots set to the song.

[Anthrax442]

Did you have a time machine? ALAE came out on January 15th of 1991, and Billboard started using Soundscan six weeks later.

Even better - I Googled it because it was right on the edge. RIAA uses units shipped. Billboard charts/reports actual sales using Soundscan. Billboard didn't start using actual sales until a month after ALAE was certified, so we have no clue how it actually sold vs shipped.

This system has permitted, at times, record labels to promote an album as Gold or Platinum simply based on large shipments. For instance, in 1978 the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band soundtrack shipped Platinum but was a sales bust, with two million returns.[10] Similarly, all four solo albums by the members of Kiss simultaneously shipped Platinum that same year but did not reach the top 20 of the Billboard 200 album chart.

Yeah, not sure how they handle certifications for albums that came out before, I mean, clearly there are other albums that predate Soundscan that have been certified AFTER Soundscan. For instance, Eagles Greatest Hits was certified 12X in 1990, and then 14X in 1993. I'm assuming they just chalked the album up to 12,000,000 copies sold on March 1st, 1991 (even though that's not a real number), and then added 2,000,000 SOLD in 1993 to that number.

A Little Ain't Enough was certified gold on April 11th, 1991, 5 weeks AFTER they started using Soundscan. The story is (as I heard it) that it was approaching Platinum, and then it was deleted before it could get there. Since it went Gold after Soundscan, that second 500,000 copies would have been based on sales, not shipped.

Unless we're saying that EVERY ALBUM released before March 1st is just "grandfathered" into Shipped vs Sold, but I find that very hard to believe.

[HoldenSSV]

Did you have a time machine? ALAE came out on January 15th of 1991, and Billboard started using Soundscan six weeks later.

Even better - I Googled it because it was right on the edge. RIAA uses units shipped. Billboard charts/reports actual sales using Soundscan.

RIAA certification stopped being units shipped in the early 80s. Largely because of Casablanca gaming the system with the KISS solo albums.

Was that the origin of, "shipped Platinum, returned Gold plus" or whatever?

[woblinweebles]

Did you have a time machine? ALAE came out on January 15th of 1991, and Billboard started using Soundscan six weeks later.

Even better - I Googled it because it was right on the edge. RIAA uses units shipped. Billboard charts/reports actual sales using Soundscan.

RIAA certification stopped being units shipped in the early 80s. Largely because of Casablanca gaming the system with the KISS solo albums.

They brought it back at some point prior to Soundscan, but they added a 30 day waiting period before albums/singles could be submitted.

From the RIAA's page:
For accuracy’s sake, we require that you send us sales figures directly from your databases and not from SoundScan. One reason is that SoundScan measures over-the-counter sales at music retail locations, while our certification levels are based on unit shipments and digital sales/streams (minus returns) from record labels and manufacturers to a wide range of accounts, including non-retail record clubs, mail order houses, specialty stores, units shipped for Internet fulfillment or direct marketing sales, such as TV-advertised albums. In addition, SoundScan’s archive begins in 1991, while the RIAA has tracked artists’ sales levels for nearly 60 years.

That's why Psycho Circus was certified Gold a month after it came out, even though it had only sold a little over half of that.

[Van Ailin']

That’s the brainwashed media forcing that Van Halen “legacy” on everyone
Led Zep is actually worse..that’s truly unlistenable


Danger Danger
Wildside
Slaughter
Saigon Kick
Fasterpussy Cat
Skidrow

Except for Saigon Kick, none of those are any good. I tried a few (Skid Row, Slaughter, Faster P, and sold them right out of my collection. Awful.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Even better - I Googled it because it was right on the edge. RIAA uses units shipped. Billboard charts/reports actual sales using Soundscan.

RIAA certification stopped being units shipped in the early 80s. Largely because of Casablanca gaming the system with the KISS solo albums.

Was that the origin of, "shipped Platinum, returned Gold plus" or whatever?

"Shipped gold, returned platinum"

[kanister]

What's the verdict on this album? I think it's a really mixed bag. The elements were there for a great record: excellent musicians, great producer. Yet the songs are... meh. Title track is classic DLR and is what the rest of the album should have sounded like, but none of the rest comes close. Some tracks have good parts, but the whole just leaves you disappointed. Shoot It is a good example: starts off strong, sound is top notch, then the chorus is just totally bland. Weak choruses pervade this album. There's a couple of other good tracks. Lady Luck has a nice riff (courtesy of Craig Goldy?). Tell The Truth has that great laid back smooth vibe. Then there's songs like Hammerhead Shark and Last Call which are pure garbage. And I never got why Sensible Shoes was a single and why it appeared on his best ofs.

Terrible take

ALAE is a great album because the deep cuts are of high quality. A Lil Ain't Enough is the worst song on the album along with It's Showtime (which is just a pointless finger exercise for Jason Becker). It was a genius move from Dave to bring in an actual guilt great in Steve Hunter.

[Love_Industry]

That’s the brainwashed media forcing that Van Halen “legacy” on everyone
Led Zep is actually worse..that’s truly unlistenable


Danger Danger
Wildside
Slaughter
Saigon Kick
Fasterpussy Cat
Skidrow

Except for Saigon Kick, none of those are any good. I tried a few (Skid Row, Slaughter, Faster P, and sold them right out of my collection. Awful.

I don't even like Saigon Kick on that list but DD and Skid Row have like one good album each. The other bands just a good song here and there. Wildside's Hang On Lucy is awesome but I can't even remember any other song from the 2 albums I have heard.