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What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:50 am
by Civil_war
What was the last hair metal album that had any sort of value. It didn't have to be a massive success per se, but it should have had some cultural impact.

I believe it's Def Leppard's Adrenalize. Popular, massive tour behind it, sold a surprising amount for the time, and was pretty good. I know it gets a lot of hate, but I love it.

With that said, what album do you guys think bookended the hair metal genre and hair metal era?

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:58 am
by BangThyDrum
Does Bon Jovi Keep the Faith Count?

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:01 am
by BDG135
I don't use that term but if you're referring to Hard Rock albums that could crossover into pop, I would say Extreme's Pornograffiti. I'm not a big fan of Adrenalize since Let's Get Rocked are and Make Love Like A Man are so dumb and cheesy.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:41 am
by HueyRamone
I think bookended is the wrong word. You mean "What album was the quintessential hair metal album"

The albums that bookended Hair Metal were probably Too Fast For Love on one side and Adrenalize on the other?

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:57 am
by LillianRoxyFA
To me, the concept of "bookended" includes the last debut that made any sort of impact. Established acts released albums well into the 90s to at least some acclaim.

The last significant hair metal debut was Jackyl.

If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:15 am
by Civil_war
HueyRamone wrote:I think bookended is the wrong word. You mean "What album was the quintessential hair metal album"

The albums that bookended Hair Metal were probably Too Fast For Love on one side and Adrenalize on the other?

No, I wrote it in a rush and it might have come off a little confusing.

Basically, what I meant was - what was the last hair metal album that was released during the era that was considered hair metal. If we were going to talk about quintessential hair metal album, I would ironically point to Hysteria. I used bookend, because I wanted to know the last one released, but you're correct it is confusing in the sense that there needs to be another side to it.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:23 am
by HueyRamone
Civil_war wrote:
HueyRamone wrote:I think bookended is the wrong word. You mean "What album was the quintessential hair metal album"

The albums that bookended Hair Metal were probably Too Fast For Love on one side and Adrenalize on the other?

No, I wrote it in a rush and it might have come off a little confusing.

Basically, what I meant was - what was the last hair metal album that was released during the era that was considered hair metal. If we were going to talk about quintessential hair metal album, I would ironically point to Hysteria. I used bookend, because I wanted to know the last one released, but you're correct it is confusing in the sense that there needs to be another side to it.

Still an interesting topic. I mean was there a hair metal album of note before TFFL or one of note after Adrenalize?
If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.
not a bad answer either.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:26 am
by GutterCreep
The bookends in my world were "Shout At The Devil" and Warrant's "Dog Eat Dog"

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:34 am
by SexxAtraxxion
Vince Neil | Exposed

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Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:36 am
by Civil_war
SexxAtraxxion wrote:Vince Neil | Exposed
That's actually a great answer. I did not think of that, but that's a killer fucking album that enjoyed a decent amount of popularity. I also love Encino Man, so that's also a plus.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:45 am
by NDCRUE
GutterCreep wrote:The bookends in my world were "Shout At The Devil" and Warrant's "Dog Eat Dog"
This gets my vote

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:50 am
by Sleek
HueyRamone wrote: Still an interesting topic. I mean was there a hair metal album of note before TFFL or one of note after Adrenalize?
Civil_war wrote: If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.
Metal Health is a good answer...probably the right one. It's certainly what made the genre blow up, and was the moment it became a THING.

There were things out before, like Ozzy and VH, but they weren't really recognized as anything new.

That being said, I think it could be argued that VH1 was the first hair metal album.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:00 am
by Love_Industry
Civil_war wrote:
SexxAtraxxion wrote:Vince Neil | Exposed
That's actually a great answer. I did not think of that, but that's a killer fucking album that enjoyed a decent amount of popularity. I also love Encino Man, so that's also a plus.
I agree with this. Full-on hair metal, and had an impact. Would have been even bigger if the Coverdale Page tour that Vince would open on did happen.

My first thought was Aerosmith's Get a Grip, but it actually came out before Exposed. Thought it came out much later in 1993, but apparently only the FOURTH single became a huge hit. I don't even remember Fever and Eat the Rich as singles, and Living on the Edge came and went.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:25 am
by Civil_war
Love_Industry wrote:
Civil_war wrote:
SexxAtraxxion wrote:Vince Neil | Exposed
That's actually a great answer. I did not think of that, but that's a killer fucking album that enjoyed a decent amount of popularity. I also love Encino Man, so that's also a plus.
I agree with this. Full-on hair metal, and had an impact. Would have been even bigger if the Coverdale Page tour that Vince would open on did happen.

My first thought was Aerosmith's Get a Grip, but it actually came out before Exposed. Thought it came out much later in 1993, but apparently only the FOURTH single became a huge hit. I don't even remember Fever and Eat the Rich as singles, and Living on the Edge came and went.
Fever is an awful song and I can't imagine why they would release it as a single. Rest of the album is good though.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:40 am
by SeminiferousButtNoid
That Vince Neil record didn't go gold though. I'd say the last actual hair metal album that was a success was Slaughter's The Wild Life, which soundscanned over 800,000 copies.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:42 am
by HueyRamone
Sleek wrote: If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.
Metal Health is a good answer...probably the right one. It's certainly what made the genre blow up, and was the moment it became a THING.

.[/quote]


Yeah, but Pyromania preceded it. And that hit instantly with Rock of Ages, and was no different genre-wise than Quiet Riot.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:44 am
by Civil_war
HueyRamone wrote:
Sleek wrote: If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.
Metal Health is a good answer...probably the right one. It's certainly what made the genre blow up, and was the moment it became a THING.

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Yeah, but Pyromania preceded it. And that hit instantly with Rock of Ages, and was no different genre-wise than Quiet Riot.[/quote]

Holy shit, I just checked and you're right - Pyromania did precede Metal Health. I always thought Metal Health came first, I do not know why. Fuck aside from reaching number 1, Pyromania should get way more credit than Metal Health does.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:48 am
by crowes74
I’d say it started with Bon Jovi “Slippery”. QuiteRiot kind are got the ball rolling,but it wasn’t nearly as huge as “slippery when wet”, with “hysteria” even surpassing it.
Hard to argue with either “get a grip” or “exposed”. Aerosmith was still an easy arena draw.
Couple years prior to that was “use your Illusions” release, those had all kinds of hype with arena/shed/ stadium coheadlining tours backing them.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:58 am
by ALMOSTsaved
If "Van Halen I" is somewhat considered the beginning of "Hair Metal", then it bookends with Guns N' Roses "UYI I & II."

For the record I consider neither hair metal.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:02 am
by dmbrocker
For once, I agree with Sexx. I'd say it's Vince's Exposed, with Jovi's Keep the Faith, and Lep's Adrenalize close to it...

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:22 am
by HueyRamone
ALMOSTsaved wrote:If "Van Halen I" is somewhat considered the beginning of "Hair Metal", then it bookends with Guns N' Roses "UYI I & II."

For the record I consider neither hair metal.

I'm going to go with Tchaikovsky on the early side and Florida Georgia Line on the late side.
For the record I consider neither hair metal either. :P

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:35 am
by Sleek
HueyRamone wrote:
Sleek wrote: If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.
Metal Health is a good answer...probably the right one. It's certainly what made the genre blow up, and was the moment it became a THING.

.

Yeah, but Pyromania preceded it. And that hit instantly with Rock of Ages, and was no different genre-wise than Quiet Riot.[/quote]

Again, Pyromania was huge, but didn't really come across as a different genre. Part of it was just that DL was an existing band. QR was also stylistically different visually...DL had sort of a working-man's-rock/nwobhm thing going, QR was straight up teased, feathered hair and spandex.

Metal Health was also the first big California band album.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:25 am
by Love_Industry
Sleek wrote:
HueyRamone wrote:
Sleek wrote: If we consider hair metal as it's own genre, then it's scope was between Quiet Riot's Metal Health and Jackyl's debut.
Metal Health is a good answer...probably the right one. It's certainly what made the genre blow up, and was the moment it became a THING.

.

Yeah, but Pyromania preceded it. And that hit instantly with Rock of Ages, and was no different genre-wise than Quiet Riot.
Again, Pyromania was huge, but didn't really come across as a different genre. Part of it was just that DL was an existing band. QR was also stylistically different visually...DL had sort of a working-man's-rock/nwobhm thing going, QR was straight up teased, feathered hair and spandex.

Metal Health was also the first big California band album.[/quote]

QR existed as a recording band already in the 1970s. Leppard's debut came out in 1980, and by Pyromania they ditched most of the nwobhm visuals, with Joe's new hairstyle and Union Jack tee and pretty boy blond Phil Collen replacing Pete Willis, while QR still looked like a budget version of Van Halen circa 79-80.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:41 am
by HueyRamone
Love_Industry wrote:
Sleek wrote: Metal Health is a good answer...probably the right one. It's certainly what made the genre blow up, and was the moment it became a THING.



Yeah, but Pyromania preceded it. And that hit instantly with Rock of Ages, and was no different genre-wise than Quiet Riot.
Again, Pyromania was huge, but didn't really come across as a different genre. Part of it was just that DL was an existing band. QR was also stylistically different visually...DL had sort of a working-man's-rock/nwobhm thing going, QR was straight up teased, feathered hair and spandex.

Metal Health was also the first big California band album.
QR existed as a recording band already in the 1970s. Leppard's debut came out in 1980, and by Pyromania they ditched most of the nwobhm visuals, with Joe's new hairstyle and Union Jack tee and pretty boy blond Phil Collen replacing Pete Willis, while QR still looked like a budget version of Van Halen circa 79-80.
Burn.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:36 pm
by Sleek
Love_Industry wrote: QR existed as a recording band already in the 1970s. Leppard's debut came out in 1980, and by Pyromania they ditched most of the nwobhm visuals, with Joe's new hairstyle and Union Jack tee and pretty boy blond Phil Collen replacing Pete Willis, while QR still looked like a budget version of Van Halen circa 79-80.
Okay. Let me rephrase that for the retardedly pedantic.

QR was a band releasing their first ever American album and was largely emblematic of a new stylistic shift, while Def Leppard were nwobhm holdovers who had bought new shirts, but otherwise were otherwise a pretty standard long hair and leather band, as seen here:

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Or here:

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As opposed to:

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Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:44 pm
by BDG135
Exposed didn't seem to have that big of an impact. I looked it up and it doesn't look like it even went Gold and had no charting singles.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:51 pm
by HueyRamone
Sleek wrote: Image
Yep. QR get the nod for being first, then.

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Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:14 pm
by Civil_war
BDG135 wrote:Exposed didn't seem to have that big of an impact. I looked it up and it doesn't look like it even went Gold and had no charting singles.
Wasn't You're invited a modest hit? And from what I thought I knew, I thought it went gold. In fact, I was under the impression that it outsold MC94, although I could be wrong.

You're invited was also on the Encino Man soundtrack and had a video to go with it. Not to mention Vince performed on the MTV music awards that year as well.

Edited: It appears I'm wrong, I don't think it went gold - at least according to:

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/vince-neil-exposed/

Does anyone know if Exposed outsold MC94?

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:55 pm
by Sleek
HueyRamone wrote:
Sleek wrote: Image
Yep. QR get the nod for being first, then.

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Sweet pic of Van Halen taken a year after the QR pic, dude.

Re: What album bookended Hair Metal

Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:59 pm
by HueyRamone
Ah! VH were ripping off QR, then!