Why Isn't The Black Guy in Rolling Stones a Member Yet?

[FreddyFender]

Wikipedia says Ron Wood was made official after a year of playing with the Stones, and a full partner financially after 15 years.

The guy on bass has been in the band 29 years and still isn't even a member.

I'm sure the paycheck is good, but Jesus Christ. Can't throw the guy a bone and list him as a member/include him in the photo shoots after 30 fuckin years?

[HueyRamone]

He's no more vital than the unnamed keys player, the percussion guy, the keyboard/French horn guy, the sax guy, the backing vocals chick or the new drummer. Chuck Leavell has been in the band around a decade longer than Bass boy, and is the musical director. if he doesnt get in a pic, no one new does.

I know they started out as a regular vox, 2 guits, bass and drums band, but they became a big proto-ChiDem thing, and since Woody, once one member goes, only a sideman replaces him

[Mister Freeze]

He's 61. Too young to be a full member.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Wikipedia says Ron Wood was made official after a year of playing with the Stones, and a full partner financially after 15 years.

Interesting... so they didn't make Woody a partner til Wyman retired.

[Ziggy Sawdust]

Wyman is a tough one to replace but I think Jones deserves it, although I’m sure he’s paid very handsomely.

[Zabooka]

The later in the timeline the replacement, the less significant they are to the band.

The Stones have been Mick, Keith, Ronnie and Charlie for decades now. Those are the household names. Anyone else are replaceable and forgettable. Bill Wyman returning might be the only guy who could get official member status, but even that wouldn't be guaranteed at this point. He might just be a paid employee like David Ellefson when he came back the 2nd time.

[roxxxtar]

Because one of these is not like the others.

[Dyslexicheart]

Wikipedia says Ron Wood was made official after a year of playing with the Stones, and a full partner financially after 15 years.

The guy on bass has been in the band 29 years and still isn't even a member.

I'm sure the paycheck is good, but Jesus Christ. Can't throw the guy a bone and list him as a member/include him in the photo shoots after 30 fuckin years?

Ron had the pedigree of already being a famous rock star, with Jeff Beck, Faces. I'm sure Jones is a stellar bass player, but few had ever heard of him, Ron is a star, Jones is a sideman.

[AliceManson]

The Black guy? The bassist and drummer are both black.

[Ziggy Sawdust]

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The later in the timeline the replacement, the less significant they are to the band.

The Stones have been Mick, Keith, Ronnie and Charlie for decades now. Those are the household names. Anyone else are replaceable and forgettable. Bill Wyman returning might be the only guy who could get official member status, but even that wouldn't be guaranteed at this point. He might just be a paid employee like David Ellefson when he came back the 2nd time.
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Well, Wyman was open to a full reunion tour for the 50th anniversary in 2012, but they marginalised him and only let him guest on 2 songs. Wyman was invited at every show but with the same circumstances applied, so he bailed after 2 shows. One thing that is true is that Jagger and Richards hold deep grudges, this also applied to Mick Taylor post 50th tour who again fell out with them after being shunned and not invited to their exhibition. Both guys not allowed to play on their covers album in 2016. Then they have also continued to discredit founder Brian Jones for many decades also despite being dead for 50 years, it’s very petty.

[Psychobolia.com]

I've seen the Stones 7 times and I just had to Google his name cuz I just couldn't remember it, that says it all!

I just realised he's the second Jones in the band, there can only be one Jones and the real Jones is at the bottom of a death pool.

Another argument is that Darryl wasn't on any of the "classic" albums. Dirty Work was shite, but that was the last classic-era one in my book and Bill "I like underage beyatches" Wyman was still in the band...

[Ziggy Sawdust]

I liked Voodoo Lounge but it’s too long like a lot of 90’s cd albums. I think Wyman had that alchemy thing going on with Watts that no one else can replicate, where he played notes just behind the beat and suits the music. Personally I didn’t like it as much either when Keith decided to try and show off playing some bass.

[cowpins]

I think Wyman had that alchemy thing going on with Watts that no one else can replicate, where he played notes just behind the beat and suits the music.

Which was a key element to the Stone's sound and part of why the Stone's are , "The Fucking Rolling Stones!" The new guy and the other new guy aren't the Stones. They're just sideman playing with The Stones.

[Tenacious_Dio]

Zak Starkey has been playing drums for The Who for 28 years.

Doesn't matter. The Who are Pete and Roger.

[AlexVonHaig]

Michaels replacement in the Jackson 5 is white but they changed the name to the Jackson 4

[EzyRider]

No Wyman, No Hits.

[Turner Coates]

I know they started out as a regular vox, 2 guits, bass and drums band, but they became a big proto-ChiDem thing, and since Woody, once one member goes, only a sideman replaces him

They started out with a piano player too, but management thought he "didn't look right" for the group. Stu played with them anyway.

[Black Stuff]

Wikipedia says Ron Wood was made official after a year of playing with the Stones, and a full partner financially after 15 years.

The guy on bass has been in the band 29 years and still isn't even a member.

I'm sure the paycheck is good, but Jesus Christ. Can't throw the guy a bone and list him as a member/include him in the photo shoots after 30 fuckin years?

bad negotiator?

[Love_Industry]

The guy on bass has been in the band 29 years and still isn't even a member.

I'm sure the paycheck is good, but Jesus Christ. Can't throw the guy a bone and list him as a member/include him in the photo shoots after 30 fuckin years?

They could make them dress up like Wyman and Watts. Hey, it worked for Kiss....

[BlueTurtle]

Miles Copeland - Sting’s manager explains this well: https://youtu.be/XCcwzpGsmHM?si=oGKEdIxadT7v_mP5

[skatexedge]

As I’ve often said, I would be TOO happy to play bass in The Stones! Stand back in the shadows, play those classic songs, travel first class, collect those fat paychecks and remain anonymous to 95% of the fans!!

[jens]

Weird thing to care about honestly. Especially if you don't even know dude's name yourself.

[SeniorGrande]

Miles Copeland - Sting’s manager explains this well: https://youtu.be/XCcwzpGsmHM?si=oGKEdIxadT7v_mP5

The documentary that this clip comes from, Bring On the Night, features Sting and his band. His bass player at the time?

"The Black Guy from Rolling Stones."

[Bob Sacamano]

I’m sure Darryl Jones is more than happy with the way things are right now.

He gets to travel the world, playing classic songs, getting a good paycheck, and he gets to have more or less a 100% anonymous lifestyle .

[ijwthstd]

Bernard Fowler? Mick would be lost without him.

Seems to me the Rolling Stones haven't been a real band since Dirty Work in 1986. After that they entered a new era that we are familiar with today.

There doesn't seem to be much creative process that we associate with groups.

Simply put Darryl Jones was hired to play on Voodoo Lounge and the subsequent tour, only. As we know they have had lots of various sidemen come and go for several decades but they have seem to prefer familiarity following the same formula in the big tours era.

Also no bass player was a party to the contract in 1991 that covered Voodoo Lounge and at least a few subsequent albums though apparently Wyman hadn't officially quit but I remember thinking Wyman is gone and the Stones ain't done yet while Steel Wheels seemed like a last big hurrah.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

[Zabooka]

Miles Copeland - Sting’s manager explains this well: https://youtu.be/XCcwzpGsmHM?si=oGKEdIxadT7v_mP5

Damn. Got to the point and nailed it in under a minute.

[Dave Muffstaine]

The answer lies in the question…

[BernieTaupson]

Zak Starkey has been in The Who for twenty years without being in The Who. Same as Stuart Smith in Eagles.

[Van Ailin']

Ron had the pedigree of already being a famous rock star, with Jeff Beck, Faces. I'm sure Jones is a stellar bass player, but few had ever heard of him, Ron is a star, Jones is a sideman.

Anybody with even minor music industry knowledge had heard of Darryl Jones. He was bassist for Sting's first post-Police project (replacing Sting!), and he also played with Miles Davis among many others. He was quite well-known.

[Einstein Lawless]

Wikipedia says Ron Wood was made official after a year of playing with the Stones, and a full partner financially after 15 years.

The guy on bass has been in the band 29 years and still isn't even a member.

I'm sure the paycheck is good, but Jesus Christ. Can't throw the guy a bone and list him as a member/include him in the photo shoots after 30 fuckin years?

Maybe they don’t want to be like Alabama (band).
Drummer was in all the vids/ shoots, and after the inevitable split/ litigation, they claimed he was a sideman. All that media presence he shared made that claim a bit dubious and they settled I think.