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Probably watched the cut version of this hundreds of times after this was release. Have not watched the uncut version. Eric Singer was probably the first drummer I’ve ever seen on a drum cam in the modern era. He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
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Can't wait for Kiss: partially live 4.
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Alive 4 came out in 2003.
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Kulicks head stock is upside down. It's now unwatchable.
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kytepunches wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:44 am Kulicks head stock is upside down. It's now unwatchable.
but is it pointy?
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Black Stuff wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:04 am
kytepunches wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:44 am Kulicks head stock is upside down. It's now unwatchable.
but is it pointy?
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So, what happened here, did someone leak this out from the production side or something?
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BernieTaupson wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:18 am Alive 4 came out in 2003.
Why?
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Just hire a Paul Stanley impersonator, who can sing it better, and do Alive V. Kiss 2.0!
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What was cut from earlier releases?
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EatNails wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:36 pm What was cut from earlier releases?
All of the vocals, all of the guitar and bass. And all of the drums.

None of what ended up on the record is from that concert. Not one note.
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BernieTaupson wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:58 pm
EatNails wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:36 pm What was cut from earlier releases?
All of the vocals, all of the guitar and bass. And all of the drums.

None of what ended up on the record is from that concert. Not one note.
I mean, I'm sure there was some fakery going on, but Creatures of the Night sounded pretty close to what ended up on the record at least.
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I mean yeah it’s the same song so it’s going to be similar, but there’s no point where you hear a bit and go “yeah that’s it” like for instance watching Peter Jackson’s Get Back and when they play THE take of certain songs you just know it’s the one.

Basic tracks for Alive3 were recorded at soundchecks in Cleveland and Indianapolis.

They had never even played I Still Love You and I Was Made For Lovin You with Eric Singer before that album came out.
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BernieTaupson wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:58 pm
EatNails wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:36 pm What was cut from earlier releases?
All of the vocals, all of the guitar and bass. And all of the drums.

None of what ended up on the record is from that concert. Not one note.
I know about the CD. The OP refers to watching a cut version of the video, and that's what I'm looking to know about. AFAIK, the full video was always available. Everything at the Palace was recorded, and you could usually buy the VHS a few days later at a local record store. Maybe the full video was never online before.
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I met KISS during the meet-and-greet tour they did for Alive III/Kondiential. They played that home video at least twice (maybe three times) before, during and after the autograph session until the line was done. I had no desire to view that boring piece of shit ever again. It's like watching "videos" for live songs that aren't actually live.

KISS should've just released the raw Detroit show as the Alive III album and home video. It's a million times better. Unfortunately, Paul views live recordings the same way he views plastic surgery, eliminating "imperfections" to the point it looks ridiculous.
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Mister Freeze wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:36 am I met KISS during the meet-and-greet tour they did for Alive III/Kondiential. They played that home video at least twice (maybe three times) before, during and after the autograph session until the line was done. I had no desire to view that boring piece of shit ever again. It's like watching "videos" for live songs that aren't actually live.

KISS should've just released the raw Detroit show as the Alive III album and home video. It's a million times better. Unfortunately, Paul views live recordings the same way he views plastic surgery, eliminating "imperfections" to the point it looks ridiculous.
That's it and I feel the same, but this is not that version, this is the LIVE RAW one
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Anthrax442 wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:08 pm So, what happened here, did someone leak this out from the production side or something?
It was out within a few weeks/months of being recorded. Pretty much all of The Palace stuff was. The only thing I remember being locked down tight, and still is, is Iron Maiden in 1990. The Anthrax performance from that night has been around forever, but Rod Smallwood buried the Maiden show.
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Did Paul always use a capo on COTN?
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ParaDime77 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:22 pm Probably watched the cut version of this hundreds of times after this was release. Have not watched the uncut version. Eric Singer was probably the first drummer I’ve ever seen on a drum cam in the modern era. He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
I was at this show! Had such a blast.. i was lower bowl all the way straight back,always wished i could see myself when the camera's panned the crowd..
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VinnieVincentsVag wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:43 pm Did Paul always use a capo on COTN?
Yes.
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BernieTaupson wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:31 pm
VinnieVincentsVag wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:43 pm Did Paul always use a capo on COTN?
Yes.
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MOON wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:53 pm
ParaDime77 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:22 pm Probably watched the cut version of this hundreds of times after this was release. Have not watched the uncut version. Eric Singer was probably the first drummer I’ve ever seen on a drum cam in the modern era. He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
I was at this show! Had such a blast.. i was lower bowl all the way straight back,always wished i could see myself when the camera's panned the crowd..
It was fun time to follow the band. None of the shows I went to on that tour were anywhere close to full but the crowds and the band were in high spirits. It's kinda weird, because looking back it was definitely the end of KISS' as a new music making band. They turned into a full nostalgia machine after this.
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Tymaster wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:11 am
MOON wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:53 pm
ParaDime77 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:22 pm Probably watched the cut version of this hundreds of times after this was release. Have not watched the uncut version. Eric Singer was probably the first drummer I’ve ever seen on a drum cam in the modern era. He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
I was at this show! Had such a blast.. i was lower bowl all the way straight back,always wished i could see myself when the camera's panned the crowd..
It was fun time to follow the band. None of the shows I went to on that tour were anywhere close to full but the crowds and the band were in high spirits. It's kinda weird, because looking back it was definitely the end of KISS' as a new music making band. They turned into a full nostalgia machine after this.
Well, they spent a couple years trying to write Alice in Chains songs that they or the label could tell were gonna go nowhere...
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HueyRamone wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 8:38 am
Tymaster wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 7:11 am
MOON wrote: Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:53 pm

I was at this show! Had such a blast.. i was lower bowl all the way straight back,always wished i could see myself when the camera's panned the crowd..
It was fun time to follow the band. None of the shows I went to on that tour were anywhere close to full but the crowds and the band were in high spirits. It's kinda weird, because looking back it was definitely the end of KISS' as a new music making band. They turned into a full nostalgia machine after this.
Well, they spent a couple years trying to write Alice in Chains songs that they or the label could tell were gonna go nowhere...
True but we now know that that was really just plan in case the reunion didn't work. Alive III, Konfidential, Kiss My Asterisk: Classic KISS Regrooved, Official KISS Konventions, KISS Unplugged - they were all done to whet the appetite for a reunion.
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They were done to appeal to the old fans more and more since it wasn’t the 80s anymore and the casuals who would get on board for Heaven’s On Fire or Crazy Nights or Forever didn’t like heavy metal anymore.

KISS My Ass was a desperate attempt at trying to recruit young fans. Look - hip bands like us, you should like us too! We’re important! Buy our stuff! Didn’t work.
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ParaDime77 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:22 pm He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
Agreed. Singer was killing it back then. For some reason when he put on the makeup he toned down. Less energy and simplified his playing(less kick triplets and fills). Maybe the bosses told him to reel it in. :D
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killdrum wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 6:22 pm
ParaDime77 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:22 pm He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
Agreed. Singer was killing it back then. For some reason when he put on the makeup he toned down. Less energy and simplified his playing(less kick triplets and fills). Maybe the bosses told him to reel it in. :D

Eric Singer was ON FIRE during the '89 Paul Stanley solo tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AB16IEihug
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ParaDime77 wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:22 pm Probably watched the cut version of this hundreds of times after this was release. Have not watched the uncut version. Eric Singer was probably the first drummer I’ve ever seen on a drum cam in the modern era. He’s absolutely MASHING here, huge drummer sound. Without singer at this juncture, this band was absolute toast in the early 90s. Forever was long gone by then.

https://youtu.be/l7waCOgmedc?si=pcbm0UdrcNv5ZpWh
They were toast even with Singer. Took a reunion to get them back in the spotlight. Been riding that nostalgia train ever since.
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BernieTaupson wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:35 pm I mean yeah it’s the same song so it’s going to be similar, but there’s no point where you hear a bit and go “yeah that’s it” like for instance watching Peter Jackson’s Get Back and when they play THE take of certain songs you just know it’s the one.

Basic tracks for Alive3 were recorded at soundchecks in Cleveland and Indianapolis.

They had never even played I Still Love You and I Was Made For Lovin You with Eric Singer before that album came out.
"I Still Love You" is a turd of a song (especially in a live setting), only good thing about it is that it's long enough that you have time to take a piss and order another beer........
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i loved this album back in the day but now i think this is the weakest one of all official live albums by Kiss. Ironically i prefer Alive IV over this one.
I also own the uncut bootleg but i really don't like so much better than the official single dissc.
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