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I'm just curious about this, I never heard anything about any beef between them. But Izzy and Gilby were asked for the reunion while Adler has guested with them a few times. It seems like Sorum was never even considered.

I actually wonder if any of the guys like him. Axl said a long time ago that Slash hates Matt. He also had issues with Scott when he was in Velvet Revolver. Is this guy a megadouche or something?
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Matt Sorum isn’t deserving of such a strong emotion. He’s milk. Dave Grohl is edgier than Sorum.
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Who doesn't?
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Guns n' Roses didn't "reunite" in 2016.

The Axl solo show continued to roll on as usual, but with Slash and Duff brought in as (highly) paid staff members. There wasn't any need to "rebuild" the lineup from scratch with classic or semi-classic members. Axl kept his rhythm guitarist, drummer and keyboard player. Chick was added.

Axl Rose is "Guns n' Roses" on paper. Which is fine at this point, because that's the only way any of this works.
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Matt’s book had to be re-edited because of what an insufferable douche he came across as, both about his thoughts with the reunion and just generally as a person.

I remember when Velvet Revolver started he did an interview and said “I’m 40 and still boning 18 year old chicks.” I just turned 40. I wouldn’t have many friends left if I was doing that and bragging. His book had so much bragging about fucking barely-legals. It was gross.

Scott had major beef with him about bringing literal teenagers backstage around that time. Preferring to date/fuck around with younger women is one thing. Under 20 when you’re over 40? You’ve got issues.

I’m guessing Axl just thinks he’s a douche and wants nothing to do with him, and Slash and Duff probably aren’t dying to go to bat for him either.
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Evrybody else does.
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SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:35 am Matt’s book had to be re-edited because of what an insufferable douche he came across as, both about his thoughts with the reunion and just generally as a person.

I remember when Velvet Revolver started he did an interview and said “I’m 40 and still boning 18 year old chicks.” I just turned 40. I wouldn’t have many friends left if I was doing that and bragging. His book had so much bragging about fucking barely-legals. It was gross.

Scott had major beef with him about bringing literal teenagers backstage around that time. Preferring to date/fuck around with younger women is one thing. Under 20 when you’re over 40? You’ve got issues.
I did get the impression from him that he's the kind of the dude who measures his succes in life by the amount of pussy he gets. Also probably the type that thinks every man would want that and therefore he's to be envied.

But that Scott comment always seemed seriously hypocrite to me. The heroin addict suddenly getting all puritan when confronted with the sex addict.
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He’s not Steven Adler and he didn’t play on Appetite so fuck him.

And on November Rain he played the exact same drum fill like 16 times. So fuck him again.

In all seriousness, he’s a solid drummer. Axl probably just doesn’t feel the need to include him.
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SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:35 am Matt’s book had to be re-edited because of what an insufferable douche he came across as, both about his thoughts with the reunion and just generally as a person.

I remember when Velvet Revolver started he did an interview and said “I’m 40 and still boning 18 year old chicks.” I just turned 40. I wouldn’t have many friends left if I was doing that and bragging. His book had so much bragging about fucking barely-legals. It was gross.

Scott had major beef with him about bringing literal teenagers backstage around that time. Preferring to date/fuck around with younger women is one thing. Under 20 when you’re over 40? You’ve got issues.

I’m guessing Axl just thinks he’s a douche and wants nothing to do with him, and Slash and Duff probably aren’t dying to go to bat for him either.

Good points, the arrogant asshole was also bragging about having a kid with a youngster last year, he’s got to be 60 years old now, a grandpa age. Had a fresh hair transplant too. Don’t blame Axl for blackballing him.
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Ziggy Sawdust wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:56 pm Good points, the arrogant asshole was also bragging about having a kid with a youngster last year, he’s got to be 60 years old now, a grandpa age. Had a fresh hair transplant too. Don’t blame Axl for blackballing him.

Yep. Same, don’t blame him at all. He had a terrible record with women the first half of his life, but that doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to grow as a person from there and have standards of decency in the second half!

Matt’s wife is a year younger than me. A press report around the time of their wedding said they got engaged in December 2011 after seven years of dating, meaning she was 19 or 20 when they started dating in 2004 when he was 43-44.
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SchenkerFan wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 1:20 pm
SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:35 am Matt’s book had to be re-edited because of what an insufferable douche he came across as, both about his thoughts with the reunion and just generally as a person.

I remember when Velvet Revolver started he did an interview and said “I’m 40 and still boning 18 year old chicks.” I just turned 40. I wouldn’t have many friends left if I was doing that and bragging. His book had so much bragging about fucking barely-legals. It was gross.

Scott had major beef with him about bringing literal teenagers backstage around that time. Preferring to date/fuck around with younger women is one thing. Under 20 when you’re over 40? You’ve got issues.
I did get the impression from him that he's the kind of the dude who measures his succes in life by the amount of pussy he gets. Also probably the type that thinks every man would want that and therefore he's to be envied.

But that Scott comment always seemed seriously hypocrite to me. The heroin addict suddenly getting all puritan when confronted with the sex addict.
I'd hang around a junkie 8 days a week over a pedo.
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Lol. Always love it when the morality police show up on Metal Sludge.

There's a difference between "dating young" and "pedo." If Sorum kept his conquests above 18, he played by the rules.

And I hate to break the news, but most of your more endearing rock n' roll heroes from the '70s and '80s fall into this category. Or worse.
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“Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.

Society has evolved over the last 40-50 years. No one said he did anything illegal. We said fucking barely-legals in his early-mid 40s and bragging about it to this day makes him a douche.
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SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:06 pm “Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.

Society has evolved over the last 40-50 years. No one said he did anything illegal. We said fucking barely-legals in his early-mid 40s and bragging about it to this day makes him a douche.

Relax. I was referring to the dude directly above my post (who said "pedo," which is illegal) more than you. I actually share some of your thoughts about this kind of stuff in the real world. I've gone through periods where I did awful with girls and periods where I did unusually well. Either way, I always considered it bad form to brag about conquests.

Still, I'd rather deal with that nonsense than a chronic druggie whose habit was so bad, it killed him.

Age is a funny thing. I have a friend who just turned 40. His wife is 30. They're perfect for each other. 15 years ago, their relationship would be illegal. My wife is eight years younger than me. When I was entering my senior year of high school, she was going into 4th grade.
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SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:06 pm “Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.

Society has evolved over the last 40-50 years. No one said he did anything illegal. We said fucking barely-legals in his early-mid 40s and bragging about it to this day makes him a douche.
The bragging is the bad part. Especially when he’s most likely gaining access via a band he didn’t help make famous
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Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:55 pm
SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:06 pm “Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.

Society has evolved over the last 40-50 years. No one said he did anything illegal. We said fucking barely-legals in his early-mid 40s and bragging about it to this day makes him a douche.

Relax. I was referring to the dude directly above my post (who said "pedo," which is illegal) more than you. I actually share some of your thoughts about this kind of stuff in the real world. I've gone through periods where I did awful with girls and periods where I did unusually well. Either way, I always considered it bad form to brag about conquests.

Still, I'd rather deal with that nonsense than a chronic druggie whose habit was so bad, it killed him.

Age is a funny thing. I have a friend who just turned 40. His wife is 30. They're perfect for each other. 15 years ago, their relationship would be illegal. My wife is eight years younger than me. When I was entering my senior year of high school, she was going into 4th grade.

Fair enough. I’d just add that obviously 25 with 15 is a hell of a lot different than 40 with 30, and not just the criminal aspect!

I don’t know which I’d rather deal with in a band situation, junkie vs. manchild fratboy, preferably neither (solo artist here!), I was just giving my theory to the question of why Axl hasn’t included Matt and why Slash and Duff according to Matt’s book never went to bat for him to be involved.
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His personality aside, maybe he hasn't been asked back because he was one of the most boring, pedestrian-sounding drummers to ever sit behind a kit for a major band in rock history?
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SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:06 pm “Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.
I'd go with he was a replacement drummer and including him in the "reunion" would do nothing to move tickets than the theory presented above.
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Gibsonite wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:57 pm His personality aside, maybe he hasn't been asked back because he was one of the most boring, pedestrian-sounding drummers to ever sit behind a kit for a major band in rock history?
Didn’t stop them hiring the prick in the first place though, did it.
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Matt Sorum is a bitch.
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Does Axl have a daughter? A guys opinion of another guy his age can change when said dude is banging chicks his daughters age.
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cowpins wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:59 am Does Axl have a daughter? A guys opinion of another guy his age can change when said dude is banging chicks his daughters age.
Not officially. There was some story many years ago but it was fake.

Unless it's with someone he "has no recollection of ever meeting or speaking to"....
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These guys are now older, wiser, more mature, settled down, etc...and having one dude still living in the hey day banging chicks your daughters age just might not gel.
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cowpins wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 3:59 am A guys opinion of another guy his age can change when said dude is banging chicks his daughters age.

You would think, but Bill Cosby proved otherwise. That guy totally understood parenthood in a relatable way and got what it was all about. I'm still baffled "America's Dad" was out there date-raping other people's daughters for so long.
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Velvis wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 8:57 pm
SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:06 pm “Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.
I'd go with he was a replacement drummer and including him in the "reunion" would do nothing to move tickets than the theory presented above.
The same would go for Gilby who barely played on UYI. But Axl wanted the cool factor of a guy who was in Candy before Guns.
What albums did Sorum play on before Guns? Jeff Paris, Hawk and Tori Amos? Right....
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To clairfy, Gilby Clark wasn't asked to rejoin the band.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/ex-guns-n ... etime-tour

He was offered an Adler-style guest appearance.

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maninblack wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:50 am Evrybody else does.
I was gonna say! If he doesn't he's probably the only one
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Mister Freeze wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 9:51 am To clairfy, Gilby Clark wasn't asked to rejoin the band.
https://blabbermouth.net/news/ex-guns-n ... etime-tour

He was offered an Adler-style guest appearance.

Gilby is a cool dude but of any GnR live footage I’ve seen him in I can literally only hear one guitar (slash).
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Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:55 pm
SterileEyes1 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:06 pm “Morality Police” :roll:

The question was why hasn’t Matt been included. “They don’t want a 63 year old regressed teenager in the band when the rest of them have long-since grown up” is a very plausible reason.

Society has evolved over the last 40-50 years. No one said he did anything illegal. We said fucking barely-legals in his early-mid 40s and bragging about it to this day makes him a douche.

Relax. I was referring to the dude directly above my post (who said "pedo," which is illegal) more than you. I actually share some of your thoughts about this kind of stuff in the real world. I've gone through periods where I did awful with girls and periods where I did unusually well. Either way, I always considered it bad form to brag about conquests.

Still, I'd rather deal with that nonsense than a chronic druggie whose habit was so bad, it killed him.

Age is a funny thing. I have a friend who just turned 40. His wife is 30. They're perfect for each other. 15 years ago, their relationship would be illegal. My wife is eight years younger than me. When I was entering my senior year of high school, she was going into 4th grade.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 6:48 am
Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 5:55 pm Age is a funny thing. I have a friend who just turned 40. His wife is 30. They're perfect for each other. 15 years ago, their relationship would be illegal. My wife is eight years younger than me. When I was entering my senior year of high school, she was going into 4th grade. [/size]
Did you meet in school?

lol. No. I was 38. She was 30.
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