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Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:35 am
by Darrien
Which is the better album and why?
Favorite song?

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:58 am
by BulletProofPoet
Probably in my top 5 bands of all time. Both albums are perfection but Spilt Milk seems to be a little more perfect. Once again, I could list all the songs but have always favored Glutton of Sympathy. And now I love the more powerful, All is Forgiven!!

Having never seen them live is one of my all time disappointments when it comes to never have seen a band.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:23 am
by Fat_Elvis
I voted Bellybutton. Spilt Milk has some great stuff but the over the top production gets to be a bit much for me.

Favorites are "The Man I Used to Be" "That is Why" "I Wanna Stay Home" and "All I Want is Everything."

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:37 am
by Hellsinkey
Bellybutton

Favourites from the band: The Ghost At Number One, The Man I Used To Be, I Wanna Stay Home, Baby's Coming Back

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:15 pm
by zz666
Spilt Milk is a masterpiece

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Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:25 pm
by Sleek
Fat_Elvis wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:23 am I voted Bellybutton. Spilt Milk has some great stuff but the over the top production gets to be a bit much for me.
Over the top? Shit, this is how I wished every album sounded.

Spilt Milk for me. The first one is tops, but then the second goes OVER the top and is exquisite. :lol:

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2024 4:43 pm
by Van Ailin'
Both are excellent, but Spilt Milk is more consistent and also flows well lyrically from start to finish. And I prefer the sound quality of that one. I do like Jason Falkner's solo albums quite a bit, where he also gets in much more guitar work.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:22 am
by alexleehooker
1) 'king is half undressed' is a decent somg

2) Jason faulkner is a very underated songwriter

3) overall they're boring ELO revival and not rock nor metal

4) are they related to 'imperial drag'? that was a better band I seem to recall a link

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 8:43 pm
by TheDeadBastard
Bellybutton is a fantastic power pop album, but as stated above Spilt Milk is a god damned masterpiece. I’ve never tired of listening to that album.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:46 pm
by Hellsinkey
alexleehooker wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:22 am
4) are they related to 'imperial drag'? that was a better band I seem to recall a link
Yes, two from Jellyfish played later in ID.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:05 am
by woblinweebles
Bellybutton by a short hair

Favorites: New Mistake, Ignorance is Bliss, and That is Why,

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:14 pm
by Ozzy Stradlin
alexleehooker wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:22 am
are they related to 'imperial drag'? that was a better band I seem to recall a link
Yes - Roger Manning (keys) & Eric Dover (touring guitarist) from Jellyfish formed Imperial Drag.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:56 pm
by Van Ailin'
woblinweebles wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:05 am Bellybutton by a short hair

Favorites: New Mistake, Ignorance is Bliss, and That is Why,
So you pick two songs that came AFTER Bellybutton?

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:59 am
by woblinweebles
Van Ailin' wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:56 pm
woblinweebles wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:05 am Bellybutton by a short hair

Favorites: New Mistake, Ignorance is Bliss, and That is Why,
So you pick two songs that came AFTER Bellybutton?
Yep, I just think Bellybutton is the more consistent album. If I expanded my favorites to my top 10, there would be more from Bellybutton than Spilt Milk.
alexleehooker wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:22 am 4) are they related to 'imperial drag'? that was a better band I seem to recall a link
I was kind of disappointed when I got the Imperial Drag album. Some of the demos from that album were leaked out almost a year before the album came out and a lot of the ones I liked didn't make it to the album.
The demos were released on Weed, some file share service, about 10 years later. You can find most/all of them on Youtube and this page has them, too: http://wilfullyobscure.blogspot.com/202 ... s-199.html

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:09 pm
by Van Ailin'
woblinweebles wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:59 am
Van Ailin' wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:56 pm
woblinweebles wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:05 am Bellybutton by a short hair

Favorites: New Mistake, Ignorance is Bliss, and That is Why,
So you pick two songs that came AFTER Bellybutton?
Yep, I just think Bellybutton is the more consistent album. If I expanded my favorites to my top 10, there would be more from Bellybutton than Spilt Milk.
alexleehooker wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:22 am 4) are they related to 'imperial drag'? that was a better band I seem to recall a link
I was kind of disappointed when I got the Imperial Drag album. Some of the demos from that album were leaked out almost a year before the album came out and a lot of the ones I liked didn't make it to the album.
The demos were released on Weed, some file share service, about 10 years later. You can find most/all of them on Youtube and this page has them, too: http://wilfullyobscure.blogspot.com/202 ... s-199.html
I have them all. If memory serves, the leak of that stuff came a few years AFTER the Imperial Drag album. But there is some good stuff. Eric Dover continued in that vein with "Sextus," and while it's not quite as good, there are some strong tracks there, too. That stuff gets close to the 80s glam rock sound that spawned this board.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:31 am
by Tommy2Tone84
Fook you! Since you’re making me choose, I have to give Bellybutton the slight edge. As smart and talented as Andy and Roger are, they weren’t smart enough to keep Jason around.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 am
by Mister Freeze
I always heard the story about Rod Stewart wanting to record "I Wanna Stay Home," but never releasing it.

Apparently, he did record it, although this might be a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-niR9xjlcY

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:55 am
by woblinweebles
Van Ailin' wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:09 pm
woblinweebles wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:59 am

I was kind of disappointed when I got the Imperial Drag album. Some of the demos from that album were leaked out almost a year before the album came out and a lot of the ones I liked didn't make it to the album.
The demos were released on Weed, some file share service, about 10 years later. You can find most/all of them on Youtube and this page has them, too: http://wilfullyobscure.blogspot.com/202 ... s-199.html
I have them all. If memory serves, the leak of that stuff came a few years AFTER the Imperial Drag album. But there is some good stuff. Eric Dover continued in that vein with "Sextus," and while it's not quite as good, there are some strong tracks there, too. That stuff gets close to the 80s glam rock sound that spawned this board.
I definitely got the first batch of demos in the summer of 95 from a huge Jellyfish fan/collector who had some connections.


Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 am I always heard the story about Rod Stewart wanting to record "I Wanna Stay Home," but never releasing it.

Apparently, he did record it, although this might be a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-niR9xjlcY

A musician friend of mine is a big power pop/Jellyfish fan and he ended up doing a short run in Rod's touring band around 15 years ago. My friend asked Rod about it and Rod said the song was a bit too high for his range, so they never released it at the time. A few years later, it got officially released on one of Rod's comps. https://media.rhino.com/press-release/r ... -1971-1998

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:41 pm
by Darrien
Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 am I always heard the story about Rod Stewart wanting to record "I Wanna Stay Home," but never releasing it.

Apparently, he did record it, although this might be a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-niR9xjlcY
First time hearing this... pretty fucking brutal.

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:23 pm
by BulletProofPoet
Darrien wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:41 pm
Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 am I always heard the story about Rod Stewart wanting to record "I Wanna Stay Home," but never releasing it.

Apparently, he did record it, although this might be a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-niR9xjlcY
First time hearing this... pretty fucking brutal.
Agreed!

Butch Walker did a great cover of the song!

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:17 pm
by Van Ailin'
woblinweebles wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:55 am
Van Ailin' wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:09 pm
woblinweebles wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:59 am

I was kind of disappointed when I got the Imperial Drag album. Some of the demos from that album were leaked out almost a year before the album came out and a lot of the ones I liked didn't make it to the album.
The demos were released on Weed, some file share service, about 10 years later. You can find most/all of them on Youtube and this page has them, too: http://wilfullyobscure.blogspot.com/202 ... s-199.html
I have them all. If memory serves, the leak of that stuff came a few years AFTER the Imperial Drag album. But there is some good stuff. Eric Dover continued in that vein with "Sextus," and while it's not quite as good, there are some strong tracks there, too. That stuff gets close to the 80s glam rock sound that spawned this board.
I definitely got the first batch of demos in the summer of 95 from a huge Jellyfish fan/collector who had some connections.


Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 am I always heard the story about Rod Stewart wanting to record "I Wanna Stay Home," but never releasing it.

Apparently, he did record it, although this might be a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-niR9xjlcY

A musician friend of mine is a big power pop/Jellyfish fan and he ended up doing a short run in Rod's touring band around 15 years ago. My friend asked Rod about it and Rod said the song was a bit too high for his range, so they never released it at the time. A few years later, it got officially released on one of Rod's comps. https://media.rhino.com/press-release/r ... -1971-1998
I have a friend who has worked with Sturmer on a full album project post-Jellyfish. Says that Andy's contributions were remarkable and that he really lived up to his reputation for excellence.

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:20 pm
by Van Ailin'

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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:29 pm
by Van Ailin'
Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater (and his daughter) plus two members of Jellyfish - sing Jellyfish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGzrwTKXc9k

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:36 am
by Darrien
BulletProofPoet wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:23 pm
Darrien wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:41 pm
Mister Freeze wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 am I always heard the story about Rod Stewart wanting to record "I Wanna Stay Home," but never releasing it.

Apparently, he did record it, although this might be a demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-niR9xjlcY
First time hearing this... pretty fucking brutal.
Agreed!

Butch Walker did a great cover of the song!
I did a quick search for BW covering this song but wasn't able to find anything. Have any links?

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 10:31 am
by RicksPickWrangler
Van Ailin' wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:29 pm Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater (and his daughter) plus two members of Jellyfish - sing Jellyfish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGzrwTKXc9k
Impressed with the multi instrument action from Portnoy. His Daughter has a good voice too.
Bonus for a Hamer-file like me is Jason playing a Prototype model.

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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:11 pm
by Chip Z'Hoy
"New Mistake," "The Glutton of Sympathy," and "The Ghost at Number One" is a three-song run that is goddamn astonishing. Unbelievable pop songwriting.

Going with Spilt, boys.

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:34 pm
by woblinweebles
Van Ailin' wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:17 pm I have a friend who has worked with Sturmer on a full album project post-Jellyfish. Says that Andy's contributions were remarkable and that he really lived up to his reputation for excellence.
I wish Andy would actually release something. I have kids that like Scooby Doo, so I have heard a lot of the stuff he has done for the various shows/movies. Some of that stuff is more Archies than Jellyfish, but it would nice if some of that stuff was given a full release. This was for a different show, but I would take an album of this type of stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAwZhHDA0n8

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:15 pm
by RicksPickWrangler
woblinweebles wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:34 pm
Van Ailin' wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:17 pm I have a friend who has worked with Sturmer on a full album project post-Jellyfish. Says that Andy's contributions were remarkable and that he really lived up to his reputation for excellence.
I wish Andy would actually release something. I have kids that like Scooby Doo, so I have heard a lot of the stuff he has done for the various shows/movies. Some of that stuff is more Archies than Jellyfish, but it would nice if some of that stuff was given a full release. This was for a different show, but I would take an album of this type of stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAwZhHDA0n8
Go Big indeed! Great song even if Andy's voice sounds VERY different. There were other Sturmer songs floating around TY, The Angel Made Me do It, The Beginning Of the End, Holding Out For Something Better, Liquid Casanova, Our Last Goodbye, & The Widowers Song. Don't know the origins but solid stuff.

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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:50 pm
by BulletProofPoet
woblinweebles wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:34 pm
Van Ailin' wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:17 pm I have a friend who has worked with Sturmer on a full album project post-Jellyfish. Says that Andy's contributions were remarkable and that he really lived up to his reputation for excellence.
I wish Andy would actually release something. I have kids that like Scooby Doo, so I have heard a lot of the stuff he has done for the various shows/movies. Some of that stuff is more Archies than Jellyfish, but it would nice if some of that stuff was given a full release. This was for a different show, but I would take an album of this type of stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAwZhHDA0n8
I was just listening to Andy’s stuff today! I guess I haven’t done a search in a while, I had no idea about that song! Thanks so much for that link!

Re: Jellyfish - Bellybutton vs Spilt Milk?

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:33 pm
by Van Ailin'
woblinweebles wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:34 pm
I wish Andy would actually release something. I have kids that like Scooby Doo, so I have heard a lot of the stuff he has done for the various shows/movies. Some of that stuff is more Archies than Jellyfish, but it would nice if some of that stuff was given a full release. This was for a different show, but I would take an album of this type of stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAwZhHDA0n8
You will like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkXW6EGnDQ