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Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 7:59 am**

Pretty good breakdown from session guy on road.

https://youtu.be/1rUvL_Lr3wA?si=ZLsPTHErc4s6k8rY

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:01 am**

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:23 am**

Legacy 90s bands..did he mention what drummer in acoustic Trixter gets?

2000’ s bands how does Sugar Ray pay? Seems like singer would take 100%make the band rent cars and won’t give them his Carls Jr coupons

New hip bands like Ghost? How much around 15000$ per gig?

Ace Von Johnson-TPF-Lance Eric-Chad S have the dream gigs
Pay in pussy- Diet Coke- 7Eleven points for pizza

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:47 am**

What about the percussion/background vocals guy in Bon Jovi?

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:41 am**

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:47 am What about the percussion/background vocals guy in Bon Jovi?

Probably comes out of Tico’s cut.

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 10:44 am**

Usually about three-fiddy...

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:26 am**

2 drink tickets good for a draft beer or a soda/bottled water.

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:29 pm**

Every band is different. I was just out for 3 months with a band playing a mix of sheds/arenas/theaters. We got a flat $500 a night, just the two bands on the tour and the one I was working for is well known, direct support.

The headliner didn’t use monitors but were gracious enough to carry and pay for the rental for us that I negotiated or we couldn’t make a sound in those rooms. I was tm’ing/doing Merch (when it wasn’t venue sell) and driving. We had a 15 passenger van, headliner had a band and crew bus + a 18 wheeler for production so I negotiated carrying our Merch and gear. Paid the headliners sound guy $150 a night which I’ve done many times before so we didn’t have to bring someone else, free money for him. Between meet & greets and Merch and everything else, made a ton of money, they are pretty bored. If I was with someone who wanted a bus or a bandwagon with a driver + the hotels and per diems for them etc it would have been detrimental.

Had a bunch of off days when the headliner was flying to do radio shows and stuff so we had the agent book club shows around every off day. I don’t think we had a single day off without a show because that’s when the problems happen. Did a week in Florida, some were door deals, some had decent guarantees but sold fuck ton of Merch and met fans/made some history in smaller towns with folks. Other 4 musicians in the band got $100 a show and a per diem + a buy out because we don’t need a crazy rider and we had full catering from the headliner. We just asked for beer/towels/ the basics. The techs helped us out if we had guitar/amp issues and wouldn’t accept money. At the end of the tour everyone got a nice check when things were calculated and now we can do a headliner and be in a bus again with new fans

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:26 pm**

^ rather have TPF career over this
TPF list of accomplishments and fun he seems to have is awesome

Blah Blah Blah bus blah blah 500$ blah blah blah must have catering not to starve blah blah Eddie Vedder is The Final Boss on my tour

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:32 pm**

Playboyliquor59 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:29 pm Every band is different. I was just out for 3 months with a band playing a mix of sheds/arenas/theaters. We got a flat $500 a night, just the two bands on the tour and the one I was working for is well known, direct support.

The headliner didn’t use monitors but were gracious enough to carry and pay for the rental for us that I negotiated or we couldn’t make a sound in those rooms. I was tm’ing/doing Merch (when it wasn’t venue sell) and driving. We had a 15 passenger van, headliner had a band and crew bus + a 18 wheeler for production so I negotiated carrying our Merch and gear. Paid the headliners sound guy $150 a night which I’ve done many times before so we didn’t have to bring someone else, free money for him. Between meet & greets and Merch and everything else, made a ton of money, they are pretty bored. If I was with someone who wanted a bus or a bandwagon with a driver + the hotels and per diems for them etc it would have been detrimental.

Had a bunch of off days when the headliner was flying to do radio shows and stuff so we had the agent book club shows around every off day. I don’t think we had a single day off without a show because that’s when the problems happen. Did a week in Florida, some were door deals, some had decent guarantees but sold fuck ton of Merch and met fans/made some history in smaller towns with folks. Other 4 musicians in the band got $100 a show and a per diem + a buy out because we don’t need a crazy rider and we had full catering from the headliner. We just asked for beer/towels/ the basics. The techs helped us out if we had guitar/amp issues and wouldn’t accept money. At the end of the tour everyone got a nice check when things were calculated and now we can do a headliner and be in a bus again with new fans

Which band were you touring with for 3 months?

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:21 pm**

HueyRamone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:01 am$766

The number of the poor

Posted: **Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:34 pm**

Whatever Frehley’s band currently get, it’s not enough.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 2:26 am**

pieceofme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:32 pm
Playboyliquor59 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:29 pm Every band is different. I was just out for 3 months with a band playing a mix of sheds/arenas/theaters. We got a flat $500 a night, just the two bands on the tour and the one I was working for is well known, direct support.

The headliner didn’t use monitors but were gracious enough to carry and pay for the rental for us that I negotiated or we couldn’t make a sound in those rooms. I was tm’ing/doing Merch (when it wasn’t venue sell) and driving. We had a 15 passenger van, headliner had a band and crew bus + a 18 wheeler for production so I negotiated carrying our Merch and gear. Paid the headliners sound guy $150 a night which I’ve done many times before so we didn’t have to bring someone else, free money for him. Between meet & greets and Merch and everything else, made a ton of money, they are pretty bored. If I was with someone who wanted a bus or a bandwagon with a driver + the hotels and per diems for them etc it would have been detrimental.

Had a bunch of off days when the headliner was flying to do radio shows and stuff so we had the agent book club shows around every off day. I don’t think we had a single day off without a show because that’s when the problems happen. Did a week in Florida, some were door deals, some had decent guarantees but sold fuck ton of Merch and met fans/made some history in smaller towns with folks. Other 4 musicians in the band got $100 a show and a per diem + a buy out because we don’t need a crazy rider and we had full catering from the headliner. We just asked for beer/towels/ the basics. The techs helped us out if we had guitar/amp issues and wouldn’t accept money. At the end of the tour everyone got a nice check when things were calculated and now we can do a headliner and be in a bus again with new fans
Which band were you touring with for 3 months?

He was touring with Bobby Blotzer Ratt Experience

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 am**

I wonder what JBJ pays Phil X and is it (a lot) more than the bass player dude? Alec Jon Such is far easier to replace than Richie and actually adds a new element and spark, which makes me curious. I know they're actual 'bands members' now and not 'touring musicians', but still. They're not really band members are they?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am**

sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 am I wonder what JBJ pays Phil X and is it (a lot) more than the bass player dude? Alec Jon Such is far easier to replace than Richie and actually adds a new element and spark, which makes me curious. I know they're actual 'bands members' now and not 'touring musicians', but still. They're not really band members are they?

I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed. The newest guy Everett may not be. Tico and Dave probably still get a cut of the merch money.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 am**

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am
sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 am I wonder what JBJ pays Phil X and is it (a lot) more than the bass player dude? Alec Jon Such is far easier to replace than Richie and actually adds a new element and spark, which makes me curious. I know they're actual 'bands members' now and not 'touring musicians', but still. They're not really band members are they?
I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed. The newest guy Everett may not be. Tico and Dave probably still get a cut of the merch money.

That's BS. Tico and Dave have to be partners. Hugh probably is too.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 8:20 am**

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am
sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 am I wonder what JBJ pays Phil X and is it (a lot) more than the bass player dude? Alec Jon Such is far easier to replace than Richie and actually adds a new element and spark, which makes me curious. I know they're actual 'bands members' now and not 'touring musicians', but still. They're not really band members are they?
I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed.

100% Phil is on salary. But what is it?

1/4 mil? half mil?

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 8:37 am**

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 am
Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am
sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 am I wonder what JBJ pays Phil X and is it (a lot) more than the bass player dude? Alec Jon Such is far easier to replace than Richie and actually adds a new element and spark, which makes me curious. I know they're actual 'bands members' now and not 'touring musicians', but still. They're not really band members are they?
I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed. The newest guy Everett may not be. Tico and Dave probably still get a cut of the merch money.
That's BS. Tico and Dave have to be partners. Hugh probably is too.

Their old contract in the 80s said Tico and Dave have .5 percent or 1 percent each. Who knows what it is now? I'm sure they get a high salary on top of whatever their percentage is.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 9:47 am**

i just saw where Jon said he hired them all from the word go. they were never a "band" . all hired guns and paid well.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 10:05 am**

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:37 am
Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 am
Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am

I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed. The newest guy Everett may not be. Tico and Dave probably still get a cut of the merch money.
That's BS. Tico and Dave have to be partners. Hugh probably is too.
Their old contract in the 80s said Tico and Dave have .5 percent or 1 percent each. Who knows what it is now? I'm sure they get a high salary on top of whatever their percentage is.

Stand up move by Jon.
In his book, Steve Gorman/Black Crowes original drummer claims he lobbied hard for 1% & it wasn't about the money. His reasoning, although he didn't write anything, he was the one in the room with the brothers when they were writing/arranging the songs & felt, as a show of good faith, they should cut him in. The brothers weren't having it though, citing if they give him 1%, he'll know how much they make & want more.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 10:48 am**

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 am
Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am
sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 5:35 am I wonder what JBJ pays Phil X and is it (a lot) more than the bass player dude? Alec Jon Such is far easier to replace than Richie and actually adds a new element and spark, which makes me curious. I know they're actual 'bands members' now and not 'touring musicians', but still. They're not really band members are they?
I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed. The newest guy Everett may not be. Tico and Dave probably still get a cut of the merch money.
That's BS. Tico and Dave have to be partners. Hugh probably is too.

All indications I’ve seen are that the other Bon Jovi members have been salaried from day one (plus small percentages of the business, later) & that Jon was/is the only one who’s even on the record contract.

That said, Sambora got his publishing $$ for songwriting - as did David - but that’s separate.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 1:40 pm**

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 8:37 am
Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 7:41 am
Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 6:36 am

I think Jon has the band on salary and they come play when needed. The newest guy Everett may not be. Tico and Dave probably still get a cut of the merch money.
That's BS. Tico and Dave have to be partners. Hugh probably is too.
Their old contract in the 80s said Tico and Dave have .5 percent or 1 percent each. Who knows what it is now? I'm sure they get a high salary on top of whatever their percentage is.

Tico & Richie got 1.0. David & Alec got a 0.5

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 4:02 pm**

This honestly sounds frighteningly low to play music for a living at that level. Even “doing what you love”.

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 5:48 pm**

HueyRamone wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:01 am$766

/thread

Posted: **Wed May 01, 2024 10:26 pm**

pieceofme wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 3:32 pm
Playboyliquor59 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:29 pm Every band is different. I was just out for 3 months with a band playing a mix of sheds/arenas/theaters. We got a flat $500 a night, just the two bands on the tour and the one I was working for is well known, direct support.

The headliner didn’t use monitors but were gracious enough to carry and pay for the rental for us that I negotiated or we couldn’t make a sound in those rooms. I was tm’ing/doing Merch (when it wasn’t venue sell) and driving. We had a 15 passenger van, headliner had a band and crew bus + a 18 wheeler for production so I negotiated carrying our Merch and gear. Paid the headliners sound guy $150 a night which I’ve done many times before so we didn’t have to bring someone else, free money for him. Between meet & greets and Merch and everything else, made a ton of money, they are pretty bored. If I was with someone who wanted a bus or a bandwagon with a driver + the hotels and per diems for them etc it would have been detrimental.

Had a bunch of off days when the headliner was flying to do radio shows and stuff so we had the agent book club shows around every off day. I don’t think we had a single day off without a show because that’s when the problems happen. Did a week in Florida, some were door deals, some had decent guarantees but sold fuck ton of Merch and met fans/made some history in smaller towns with folks. Other 4 musicians in the band got $100 a show and a per diem + a buy out because we don’t need a crazy rider and we had full catering from the headliner. We just asked for beer/towels/ the basics. The techs helped us out if we had guitar/amp issues and wouldn’t accept money. At the end of the tour everyone got a nice check when things were calculated and now we can do a headliner and be in a bus again with new fans
Which band were you touring with for 3 months?

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 3:03 am**

SterileEyes1 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:02 pm This honestly sounds frighteningly low to play music for a living at that level. Even “doing what you love”.

Was thinking the same thing, then thought about how many touring musicians these country bands have. That's a whole lot of people to transport around and accommodate. But to your point, doing a 90 show run is only 45K on the HIGH end of $500 a show, and that does seem low to be out with some of the acts that he mentioned who you'd think were getting a pretty decent guarantee. But what do I know. I buy vinyl from the Tuff dude.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 8:13 am**

cowpins wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 3:03 am
SterileEyes1 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 4:02 pm This honestly sounds frighteningly low to play music for a living at that level. Even “doing what you love”.
Was thinking the same thing, then thought about how many touring musicians these country bands have. That's a whole lot of people to transport around and accommodate. But to your point, doing a 90 show run is only 45K on the HIGH end of $500 a show, and that does seem low to be out with some of the acts that he mentioned who you'd think were getting a pretty decent guarantee. But what do I know. I buy vinyl from the Tuff dude.

Yeah I didn’t even do the math. That’s $45k before taxes for 4-5 months of work!

This reminds me of the Chris Rock bit about how the wealthy neighborhood he lives in has himself, Eddie Murphy, Jay-Z, and Mary J. Blige as the black residents, but his white neighbor next door is just a regular-ass dentist.

Like, I’ve got a post-grad job. Nothing particularly notable. I do ok money-wise. I don’t live in a fancy neighborhood or wear fancy clothes or drive a fancy car, but I’m comfortable enough and don’t even have to leave the couch for my job. That I (and a lot of us, probably) make significantly more than the most coveted music gigs out there, while not working nearly as hard, is ridiculous.

Posted: **Thu May 02, 2024 4:31 pm**

“Had a bunch of off days when the headliner was flying to do radio shows and stuff so we had the agent book club shows around every off day. I don’t think we had a single day off without a show because that’s when the problems happen.”

What sort of things happen on an off day during a tightly scheduled run?

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 12:56 pm**

ParaDime77 wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 4:31 pm “Had a bunch of off days when the headliner was flying to do radio shows and stuff so we had the agent book club shows around every off day. I don’t think we had a single day off without a show because that’s when the problems happen.”

What sort of things happen on an off day during a tightly scheduled run?

We didn’t have the same agent as the headliner so our agent booked us shows on the off days,if he could. If he couldn’t find something worth the commission, we reached out to other promoters and I made sure we always had something booked via social media or friends. The one off’s can really kill it in Merch even if the guarantee is low or a door deal. It beats sitting in van or getting a hotel and wasting money so we always try to play every off day regardless what it is and sometimes we make more money doing those vs the normal schedule. Some bands want to sit in hotel and chill but every band I TM on this level, we make the most out of every day because money is tight but also lucrative if you do things right.

It’s like the “how does faster pussycat afford a bus” those band guys get paid weekly, no hotels, catering at venues so they don’t need per diems or buy outs and Ubers and planes and whatever from place to place. It’s a math equation

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2024 1:46 pm**

Tour “life” sounds horrible.. not for me
Rather sit in spot on beach now near beach festival that has Sting at 9pm

Only 70* sunny.. don’t need starve myself for meals from venue. Just walked and got 12 inch meatball sub. Think I’ll start Fasterpussycat first 3 now.
Noticed they had box’s of Its It mint chocolate sandwiches..probably get those tomorrow

Rumor is Smackdown from France tonight is top 3 crowd ever#excited. Watching it alone and not in bus bunk with 15 other dudes going be great. Next stop tomorrow..maybe 1/2 down the road. Beachchair life

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