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Don't get this take at all, and it validates my theory that ppl overrate BatM because the title cut slays.Psychobolia.com wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:17 am I really dug the title track and Never Know Why...but the songs are way better on Bark at the Moon...this is when all the filler started popping up.
DiaryMichael Hotts Ghost wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:01 pm When Ultimate Sin first came out it was kind of a disappointment, but it's grown on me. I like Bark too, but Ultimate Sin is really a killer record. Jake was unleashed. It's a little polished on the production, but it doesn't bother me.
As for Bark at the Moon, Waiting for Darkness is really strong track too. You're No Different was weak and totally killed the momentum out of the gate. It should have been placed later in the sequencing. Now You See It is a good track as is Rock and Roll Rebel. Side two starts off strong but kind of goes sideways from there. Overall, I've grown to like it all through repeated listening's. Spiders and B Side are gems too.
The Zak years I was out... There are a few Zak tunes that I like but overall, that's where I had to bail.
Diary is still the pinnacle.
Blizzard is good but I've overplayed it and can't listen to it like I used to.
Honestly, save for So Tired, I dig that entire record, not just the title track. Each track really stands out from the next one, whereas on Ultimate Sin, there just isn't enough variety, it's pretty formulaic. And the big hit was stolen from another band!Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:40 amDon't get this take at all, and it validates my theory that ppl overrate BatM because the title cut slays.Psychobolia.com wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:17 am I really dug the title track and Never Know Why...but the songs are way better on Bark at the Moon...this is when all the filler started popping up.
Didn't they bring Daisley in at the last minute to write lyrics because the new band was struggling to come up with stuff?BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:18 pm A great album spoilt by a shitty mix. Still good. Needed a bit more variety on there and some different textures in the songs. Jake moaned at the time because they made him go in and do all the rhythm parts then go in and do all the solos, there wasn’t time to work on each song separately. Aren’t there two songs with “Never” in the title? Silly stuff like that shouldn’t happen.
He was certainly part of it in some capacity.Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 3:06 pmDidn't they bring Daisley in at the last minute to write lyrics because the new band was struggling to come up with stuff?BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:18 pm A great album spoilt by a shitty mix. Still good. Needed a bit more variety on there and some different textures in the songs. Jake moaned at the time because they made him go in and do all the rhythm parts then go in and do all the solos, there wasn’t time to work on each song separately. Aren’t there two songs with “Never” in the title? Silly stuff like that shouldn’t happen.
Nuke ya nuke ya
Yes. Never Know Why was originally called We Rock. Then I guess someone told Ozzy that Dio used that title already in 1984BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:18 pm Aren’t there two songs with “Never” in the title? Silly stuff like that shouldn’t happen.
Yeah, Daisley did all lyrics except for Shot in the Dark. He did it for a lump sum (just like he did on the Bark album) to avoid all the hassle about royalties. He says he also co-wrote all the music with Jake except Shot.Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 3:06 pmDidn't they bring Daisley in at the last minute to write lyrics because the new band was struggling to come up with stuff?BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:18 pm A great album spoilt by a shitty mix. Still good. Needed a bit more variety on there and some different textures in the songs. Jake moaned at the time because they made him go in and do all the rhythm parts then go in and do all the solos, there wasn’t time to work on each song separately. Aren’t there two songs with “Never” in the title? Silly stuff like that shouldn’t happen.
Yeah that video chick was hawt. Never knew that Soussan was riding that.
The good songs are great, Killer of Giants is a top 5 Ozzy song and SitD and Secret Loser also stand out but the rest is indeed same-sounding. Not bad, but quite bland and boring to listen to. The songwriting is only part of the problem - the mix isn't great and I hate Jake's guitar sound - is he trying to sound like Viv Campbell on the first two Dio albums, or is Viv playing like Jake who was in Dio for a minute before him.Psychobolia.com wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:46 pm on Ultimate Sin, there just isn't enough variety, it's pretty formulaic. And the big hit was stolen from another band!
El Vampiro Blanco wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:52 amYeah, Daisley did all lyrics except for Shot in the Dark. He did it for a lump sum (just like he did on the Bark album) to avoid all the hassle about royalties. He says he also co-wrote all the music with Jake except Shot.Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 3:06 pm Didn't they bring Daisley in at the last minute to write lyrics because the new band was struggling to come up with stuff?
He says they ommitted him from the credits on the first 500.000 copies, but he negotiated with Sharon and was credited in the next pressings.
He also did the lyrics for No More Tears, but then the contract kept getting delayed, since he did not want a lump sump this time, but royalties.
He was then informed they would not be using his lyrics and Lemmy did them, again for a lump sum.
Bob then negotiated for a cancelation fee, since he did do the work. He got it, but it was very meagre, like 5K dollars...
Love_Industry wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 11:34 pmYes. Never Know Why was originally called We Rock. Then I guess someone told Ozzy that Dio used that title already in 1984BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:18 pm Aren’t there two songs with “Never” in the title? Silly stuff like that shouldn’t happen.
This is the correct order.DangerZone wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:40 pmDiaryMichael Hotts Ghost wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 1:01 pm When Ultimate Sin first came out it was kind of a disappointment, but it's grown on me. I like Bark too, but Ultimate Sin is really a killer record. Jake was unleashed. It's a little polished on the production, but it doesn't bother me.
As for Bark at the Moon, Waiting for Darkness is really strong track too. You're No Different was weak and totally killed the momentum out of the gate. It should have been placed later in the sequencing. Now You See It is a good track as is Rock and Roll Rebel. Side two starts off strong but kind of goes sideways from there. Overall, I've grown to like it all through repeated listening's. Spiders and B Side are gems too.
The Zak years I was out... There are a few Zak tunes that I like but overall, that's where I had to bail.
Diary is still the pinnacle.
Blizzard is good but I've overplayed it and can't listen to it like I used to.
Sin
Blizzard
Bark
No rest
No more tears
Revelation (Mother Earth) on Blizzard of Ozz perhaps? Ozzy's always been a tree hugging hippie at heart, flashing peace signs on stage etc.
But should he have used the title Rockin' All Nite instead of Lightning Strikes?Mister Freeze wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 9:05 am"Never Know Why" = badLove_Industry wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 11:34 pmYes. Never Know Why was originally called We Rock. Then I guess someone told Ozzy that Dio used that title already in 1984BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 2:18 pm Aren’t there two songs with “Never” in the title? Silly stuff like that shouldn’t happen.
"We Rock" = worse
"Never Know Why We Rock" = Spinal Tap