Metal Sludge Gossip Board

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:40 pm

He always sounds half loaded and is absolutely arrogant... meh!

$tEvil

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:06 am They got bought out for songwriting on BATM. Jake said he wouldn’t come back for TUS unless he got credit, so he did. That’s direct from Jake.

BernieTaupson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 12:06 am They got bought out for songwriting on BATM. Jake said he wouldn’t come back for TUS unless he got credit, so he did. That’s direct from Jake.

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:40 pm Jake has never been smart when it comes to "business" in this industry and I would doubt, or question much of what he says in regards to this stuff.

Being associated with Ozzy, is like being associated with Kiss. If you were in those bands, for any period, you are automatically given an Ace card at the poker table.

Go through a list of those guys, from those bands... and Jake from the Ozzy camp is only a notch or two above Vinnie Vincent from Kiss. Both seem out of their mind and lost.

In the big picture, there is very little interest, or money to be made off of a Badlands re-issue, re-union, or anything related.

Jake coming and going, popping up to do a record or two (RDC) after disappearing for 2+ decades, and then disappearing again is all the reason more for anyone (a label) not to put an ounce of effort into it.

He always sounds half loaded and is absolutely arrogant... meh!

$tEvil

Tommy2Tone84 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:59 am How did working for Ozzy work out for... Joe Holmes?

veritas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 11:18 pm Yeah, Jake doesn't have any "Ozzy money."
He took lump sum payments for the albums he was on (as did Daisley on those ones too). Hence, the "all songs by Ozzy Osbourne nonsense" on Bark at the Moon.

Jake has been living in trailers and I think barely scraping by in Vegas for years?

Tommy2Tone84 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:59 am

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:40 pm Jake has never been smart when it comes to "business" in this industry and I would doubt, or question much of what he says in regards to this stuff.

Being associated with Ozzy, is like being associated with Kiss. If you were in those bands, for any period, you are automatically given an Ace card at the poker table.

Go through a list of those guys, from those bands... and Jake from the Ozzy camp is only a notch or two above Vinnie Vincent from Kiss. Both seem out of their mind and lost.

In the big picture, there is very little interest, or money to be made off of a Badlands re-issue, re-union, or anything related.

Jake coming and going, popping up to do a record or two (RDC) after disappearing for 2+ decades, and then disappearing again is all the reason more for anyone (a label) not to put an ounce of effort into it.

He always sounds half loaded and is absolutely arrogant... meh!

$tEvil

You’re way off base

Eddie Van Halen wasn’t very smart either when it came to the business. Sammy Hagar was,
I think that was at the crux of Eddie’s long standing resentment towards Sammy.

Dave really wasn’t all that smart either. Although in his book he tries to bs and make
it seem like he is. Typical Dave

Jake is a total f*ck up and addict. But I can’t blame him
for pulling a Vito Bratta all those years ago.

Your Vinnie Vincent comparison is a fooking joke.
Jake, even with a smack addiction, was light years better
than Vinnie ever was.

Ace, Vinnie and Mark were like the three stooges of KISS, and not in the good way.

Jake’s two Badlands albums bury any of those three’s solo “careers”

How did working for Ozzy work out for Bernie Torme
and Joe Holmes? That Ace card didn’t seem to help them much.

Brad already had a band, record deal and album when he filled in for Randy. He didn’t
need the gig.

There’s a demand for Lita Ford, Trixter, Mr Big, Winger and Warrant these days. If Ray was still
alive and not sexually assaulting chicks or giving them AIDS or whatever it was that that creep was doing, there would be a demand for Badlands.

Had Jake stayed clean and found another impressive singer, and maybe another bassist to replace old man Chaisson. Badlands
would be playing the cruises, casinos, Japan, Europe and South America too.

Jake is Warren DiMartini, John Sykes, Yngwie, Vito Bratta, George Lynch and Reb Beach level. Talent wise, he’s a cut
or two above some of those guys. He’s nowhere near those delusional, lucky losers Ace Frehley, Vinnie Vincent and Mark St John. Mark was just awful. Those three are absolute hacks.

If Jake had stayed clean, he could have easily played in Deep Purple for the last 30 years rather than Steve Morris.
As much as I respect Steve, I never felt was a very good fit. Jake would’ve been a much better fit than Steve.

Next to Randy, Jake is the best guitarist Ozzy ever had as a solo artist. I don’t care
what the Zakktards say. Jake was the absolute dude.

HottKarl777 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:03 pm

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:40 pm

He always sounds half loaded and is absolutely arrogant... meh!

$tEvil

Your assessment of Jake was harsh but deserved. Jake made some weird comments about Randy back in the 80s in guitar mags that never sat well with me. Shit like "Randy was just following minor scales" and "when you die they make you a legend".

Jake got fired because he thought he was too cool to show up for band practice. He thought he was too cool for everything. It happens with lead guitarists.


To another poster: obviously a huge reason the Ozzy material with Jake sounds so much better than anything else he ever did was that he had Bob Daisley helping him with arrangements and riffs. Bob would make the songs more complex and progressive than they would have been otherwise. Jake himself has stated this.

I fucking love Jake btw. He was mindblowing.

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:58 pm

Tommy2Tone84 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:59 am

MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:40 pm Jake has never been smart when it comes to "business" in this industry and I would doubt, or question much of what he says in regards to this stuff.

Being associated with Ozzy, is like being associated with Kiss. If you were in those bands, for any period, you are automatically given an Ace card at the poker table.

Go through a list of those guys, from those bands... and Jake from the Ozzy camp is only a notch or two above Vinnie Vincent from Kiss. Both seem out of their mind and lost.

In the big picture, there is very little interest, or money to be made off of a Badlands re-issue, re-union, or anything related.

Jake coming and going, popping up to do a record or two (RDC) after disappearing for 2+ decades, and then disappearing again is all the reason more for anyone (a label) not to put an ounce of effort into it.

He always sounds half loaded and is absolutely arrogant... meh!

$tEvil

You’re way off base

Eddie Van Halen wasn’t very smart either when it came to the business. Sammy Hagar was,
I think that was at the crux of Eddie’s long standing resentment towards Sammy.

Dave really wasn’t all that smart either. Although in his book he tries to bs and make
it seem like he is. Typical Dave

Jake is a total f*ck up and addict. But I can’t blame him
for pulling a Vito Bratta all those years ago.

Your Vinnie Vincent comparison is a fooking joke.
Jake, even with a smack addiction, was light years better
than Vinnie ever was.

Ace, Vinnie and Mark were like the three stooges of KISS, and not in the good way.

Jake’s two Badlands albums bury any of those three’s solo “careers”

How did working for Ozzy work out for Bernie Torme
and Joe Holmes? That Ace card didn’t seem to help them much.

Brad already had a band, record deal and album when he filled in for Randy. He didn’t
need the gig.

There’s a demand for Lita Ford, Trixter, Mr Big, Winger and Warrant these days. If Ray was still
alive and not sexually assaulting chicks or giving them AIDS or whatever it was that that creep was doing, there would be a demand for Badlands.

Had Jake stayed clean and found another impressive singer, and maybe another bassist to replace old man Chaisson. Badlands
would be playing the cruises, casinos, Japan, Europe and South America too.

Jake is Warren DiMartini, John Sykes, Yngwie, Vito Bratta, George Lynch and Reb Beach level. Talent wise, he’s a cut
or two above some of those guys. He’s nowhere near those delusional, lucky losers Ace Frehley, Vinnie Vincent and Mark St John. Mark was just awful. Those three are absolute hacks.

If Jake had stayed clean, he could have easily played in Deep Purple for the last 30 years rather than Steve Morris.
As much as I respect Steve, I never felt was a very good fit. Jake would’ve been a much better fit than Steve.

Next to Randy, Jake is the best guitarist Ozzy ever had as a solo artist. I don’t care
what the Zakktards say. Jake was the absolute dude.

I am "way off base"... as in free-base? Jake's favorite past time?

For someone defending Jake here, there are a lot of "ifs ands or buts" in your drivel.

I stand by my view... no hate, just truth and facts.

Jake E Lee for being part of 1 of the biggest artist's of all time, in the Heavy Metal world, he has done squat with his opportunities.

""""Jake is Warren DiMartini, John Sykes, Yngwie, Vito Bratta, George Lynch and Reb Beach level. """"

And all of those guys, have had many times over the success and career as Jake. With the exception of Vito disappearing (not because he was a junkie either) all of those mentioned, all have way more credits and the like than Jake.

"Jake is a total F#@k up and addict" your words.

"Had Jake stayed clean" also your words.

"If Jake had stayed clean" more of your words.

You said it, not me... so are you off base too?

$tEvil