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Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 10:04 pm I am close to finishing my remix of (Music from) THE ELDER. I am a long-time fanatical fan of this album (since the day it was released). I will have 3 versions coming soon. The first two versions will be a straight remix with virtually no musical changes of both the US and JAPANESE versions of the original album. Mostly the drum sound will be improved as most things are pretty great sounding overall.

The most exciting version (for me anyway) is a hugely expanded version that will have all the regular songs remixed with a few changes along with an extra 35-40 minutes of completely new material.

I have approached this version like a Broadway musical format. There are 2 "Acts" where I attempt to tell the story a little more clearly using not only the original songs, but almost as many new songs/mixes of both alternate "versions" and brand-new songs using almost all of the known unused demos.

Paul is "the Boy" and eventually "the Man/Hero"

GENE is Mr. Blackwell, Morpheus (musically/lyrically)
and the voice of "The Elder"

ACE is "the Oracle" warning of the "Dark Light" and the "Malevolent Order" which the hero has to face.

DORO is the heroine/love interest.

This version includes pieces from "Council Of The Elder"; Gene's demos of "Legends Never Die", "Rotten To The Core" and "Only You"; Pieces of "Nowhere To Run" and "I'm A Legend Tonight" along with Ace's "Breakout" and "Don't Run". There are two duets featuring the "heroine" of the story (played by Doro Pesch) featuring here and Gene singing together. There is also a 10+ minute "Closing Medley" made up of pieces of several different/alternate versions of many of the songs which recap the entire odyssey.

For me, one of the only flaws of the album is that Paul is so underutilized. Since Ezrin has him in the role of "the Boy" we never really hear him get to use his fantastic "rock" voice at all. I've tied to remedy this will Paul also using his stronger singing voice in "Nowhere To Run" (in the role of his own conscience) and "I'm A Legend Tonight" as he accepts his destiny and confronts the villain.

All of the "bonus" stuff is edited and arranged to fit the story line, so I only used the pieces of lyrics that basically "fit" the ELDER. For example, "I'm A Legend Tonight" is a duet between Paul (now the hero) and Gene (Mr. Blackwell) as they trade off in their final confrontation. "Only You (Part Two)" adds more of an element of the love story as Doro proclaims her overwhelming draw to the hero, accompanied by the Gene (the "voice” of Morpheus).

All of the new songs feature Eric Carr (or his re-arranged Elder drum parts) and/or Ace as much as possible. For example, I use Ace's FC version of "Breakout" for the guitars, but the KISS version Carr jam '81 for the drums. For the Doro version of "Only You" I use Eric's drum parts to create the drum track rather than using her album version or Gene's demo version. And of course, Eric is also on the KILLERS material.

I am very excited about this one and have been working on it for months now.


Until then, check out my fan-edit of Phantom which has a completely new all-KISS soundtrack.

https://vimeo.com/761981276

KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park (Ultimate fan super-edit version) - Trailer #2
https://youtu.be/bKTYGckQLiU

Tommy2Tone84 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:35 am Kisstards everywhere

Skeletor wrote:Aaaahhhh! What is this horrible cacophony assaulting my ears? What I'm about to say is madness... we must band together and destroy it, He-Man

He-Man wrote:I... I... I can't believe I'm saying this, but you're right, Skeletor. By the power of Grayskull, we must join together and drive this shite from our world!

pieceofme wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 8:03 am

Tommy2Tone84 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 4:35 am Kisstards everywhere

Including yourself

Nibbler wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:00 am

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 10:04 pm I am close to finishing my remix of (Music from) THE ELDER. I am a long-time fanatical fan of this album (since the day it was released). I will have 3 versions coming soon. The first two versions will be a straight remix with virtually no musical changes of both the US and JAPANESE versions of the original album. Mostly the drum sound will be improved as most things are pretty great sounding overall.

The most exciting version (for me anyway) is a hugely expanded version that will have all the regular songs remixed with a few changes along with an extra 35-40 minutes of completely new material.

I have approached this version like a Broadway musical format. There are 2 "Acts" where I attempt to tell the story a little more clearly using not only the original songs, but almost as many new songs/mixes of both alternate "versions" and brand-new songs using almost all of the known unused demos.

Paul is "the Boy" and eventually "the Man/Hero"

GENE is Mr. Blackwell, Morpheus (musically/lyrically)
and the voice of "The Elder"

ACE is "the Oracle" warning of the "Dark Light" and the "Malevolent Order" which the hero has to face.

DORO is the heroine/love interest.

This version includes pieces from "Council Of The Elder"; Gene's demos of "Legends Never Die", "Rotten To The Core" and "Only You"; Pieces of "Nowhere To Run" and "I'm A Legend Tonight" along with Ace's "Breakout" and "Don't Run". There are two duets featuring the "heroine" of the story (played by Doro Pesch) featuring here and Gene singing together. There is also a 10+ minute "Closing Medley" made up of pieces of several different/alternate versions of many of the songs which recap the entire odyssey.

For me, one of the only flaws of the album is that Paul is so underutilized. Since Ezrin has him in the role of "the Boy" we never really hear him get to use his fantastic "rock" voice at all. I've tied to remedy this will Paul also using his stronger singing voice in "Nowhere To Run" (in the role of his own conscience) and "I'm A Legend Tonight" as he accepts his destiny and confronts the villain.

All of the "bonus" stuff is edited and arranged to fit the story line, so I only used the pieces of lyrics that basically "fit" the ELDER. For example, "I'm A Legend Tonight" is a duet between Paul (now the hero) and Gene (Mr. Blackwell) as they trade off in their final confrontation. "Only You (Part Two)" adds more of an element of the love story as Doro proclaims her overwhelming draw to the hero, accompanied by the Gene (the "voice” of Morpheus).

All of the new songs feature Eric Carr (or his re-arranged Elder drum parts) and/or Ace as much as possible. For example, I use Ace's FC version of "Breakout" for the guitars, but the KISS version Carr jam '81 for the drums. For the Doro version of "Only You" I use Eric's drum parts to create the drum track rather than using her album version or Gene's demo version. And of course, Eric is also on the KILLERS material.

I am very excited about this one and have been working on it for months now.

That’s even more unhinged than the Italian guy.

Nibbler wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:00 am

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 06, 2024 10:04 pm I am close to finishing my remix of (Music from) THE ELDER. I am a long-time fanatical fan of this album (since the day it was released). I will have 3 versions coming soon. The first two versions will be a straight remix with virtually no musical changes of both the US and JAPANESE versions of the original album. Mostly the drum sound will be improved as most things are pretty great sounding overall.

The most exciting version (for me anyway) is a hugely expanded version that will have all the regular songs remixed with a few changes along with an extra 35-40 minutes of completely new material.

I have approached this version like a Broadway musical format. There are 2 "Acts" where I attempt to tell the story a little more clearly using not only the original songs, but almost as many new songs/mixes of both alternate "versions" and brand-new songs using almost all of the known unused demos.

Paul is "the Boy" and eventually "the Man/Hero"

GENE is Mr. Blackwell, Morpheus (musically/lyrically)
and the voice of "The Elder"

ACE is "the Oracle" warning of the "Dark Light" and the "Malevolent Order" which the hero has to face.

DORO is the heroine/love interest.

This version includes pieces from "Council Of The Elder"; Gene's demos of "Legends Never Die", "Rotten To The Core" and "Only You"; Pieces of "Nowhere To Run" and "I'm A Legend Tonight" along with Ace's "Breakout" and "Don't Run". There are two duets featuring the "heroine" of the story (played by Doro Pesch) featuring here and Gene singing together. There is also a 10+ minute "Closing Medley" made up of pieces of several different/alternate versions of many of the songs which recap the entire odyssey.

For me, one of the only flaws of the album is that Paul is so underutilized. Since Ezrin has him in the role of "the Boy" we never really hear him get to use his fantastic "rock" voice at all. I've tied to remedy this will Paul also using his stronger singing voice in "Nowhere To Run" (in the role of his own conscience) and "I'm A Legend Tonight" as he accepts his destiny and confronts the villain.

All of the "bonus" stuff is edited and arranged to fit the story line, so I only used the pieces of lyrics that basically "fit" the ELDER. For example, "I'm A Legend Tonight" is a duet between Paul (now the hero) and Gene (Mr. Blackwell) as they trade off in their final confrontation. "Only You (Part Two)" adds more of an element of the love story as Doro proclaims her overwhelming draw to the hero, accompanied by the Gene (the "voice” of Morpheus).

All of the new songs feature Eric Carr (or his re-arranged Elder drum parts) and/or Ace as much as possible. For example, I use Ace's FC version of "Breakout" for the guitars, but the KISS version Carr jam '81 for the drums. For the Doro version of "Only You" I use Eric's drum parts to create the drum track rather than using her album version or Gene's demo version. And of course, Eric is also on the KILLERS material.

I am very excited about this one and have been working on it for months now.

That’s even more unhinged than the Italian guy.

HueyRamone wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:45 am Yea. On one hand I applaud Wiseacre's dedication, craft and passion.

But the fucking Elder?? He might as well have said "Im spending a lot of time cleaning my toilet bowl with my tongue. By the time Im done, I'll have made it spotless in ways no one's ever thought of"

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:23 am

HueyRamone wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:45 am Yea. On one hand I applaud Wiseacre's dedication, craft and passion.

But the fucking Elder?? He might as well have said "Im spending a lot of time cleaning my toilet bowl with my tongue. By the time Im done, I'll have made it spotless in ways no one's ever thought of"

I’ve loved the album since the day it was released (not ironically) just like a lot of other fans. It’s the perfect KISS album to “reimagine” in this way since it always felt like a half-finished project with lots of stuff left off that floats around. I only wish a few of those demos were of better quality, but I’m doing what I can. The fact that I have a true appreciation for the album will show and I have no doubt that most other Eldertards will enjoy the new additions. And for those that don’t, there will be the mostly unchanged remixed versions.

It an enjoyable experience and creative outlet to basically pretend I am producing an album I love so much. No offense to Ezrin, who is a master and in my holy trinity or producers alongside George Martin and Phil Spector, but it really feels like his heart wasn’t in it. Of course he wasn’t working with a visionary like Roger Waters, but still…I’ve loved this album since I was 12 years old and know it backward and forward. It’s always been an obsession of mine and I’ve always been fascinated by all things related to it. I for one am beyond happy they made the album. It’s the most interesting and “musical” thing they ever did.

DemonFilth2001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:05 pm

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:23 am

HueyRamone wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:45 am Yea. On one hand I applaud Wiseacre's dedication, craft and passion.

But the fucking Elder?? He might as well have said "Im spending a lot of time cleaning my toilet bowl with my tongue. By the time Im done, I'll have made it spotless in ways no one's ever thought of"

I’ve loved the album since the day it was released (not ironically) just like a lot of other fans. It’s the perfect KISS album to “reimagine” in this way since it always felt like a half-finished project with lots of stuff left off that floats around. I only wish a few of those demos were of better quality, but I’m doing what I can. The fact that I have a true appreciation for the album will show and I have no doubt that most other Eldertards will enjoy the new additions. And for those that don’t, there will be the mostly unchanged remixed versions.

It an enjoyable experience and creative outlet to basically pretend I am producing an album I love so much. No offense to Ezrin, who is a master and in my holy trinity or producers alongside George Martin and Phil Spector, but it really feels like his heart wasn’t in it. Of course he wasn’t working with a visionary like Roger Waters, but still…I’ve loved this album since I was 12 years old and know it backward and forward. It’s always been an obsession of mine and I’ve always been fascinated by all things related to it. I for one am beyond happy they made the album. It’s the most interesting and “musical” thing they ever did.

When are you planning on completing this?

Zabooka wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:36 am Vinnie Vincent could be Evil Vyn.

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:38 pm

DemonFilth2001 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 3:05 pm

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 10:23 am

I’ve loved the album since the day it was released (not ironically) just like a lot of other fans. It’s the perfect KISS album to “reimagine” in this way since it always felt like a half-finished project with lots of stuff left off that floats around. I only wish a few of those demos were of better quality, but I’m doing what I can. The fact that I have a true appreciation for the album will show and I have no doubt that most other Eldertards will enjoy the new additions. And for those that don’t, there will be the mostly unchanged remixed versions.

It an enjoyable experience and creative outlet to basically pretend I am producing an album I love so much. No offense to Ezrin, who is a master and in my holy trinity or producers alongside George Martin and Phil Spector, but it really feels like his heart wasn’t in it. Of course he wasn’t working with a visionary like Roger Waters, but still…I’ve loved this album since I was 12 years old and know it backward and forward. It’s always been an obsession of mine and I’ve always been fascinated by all things related to it. I for one am beyond happy they made the album. It’s the most interesting and “musical” thing they ever did.

When are you planning on completing this?

Should be pretty soon. I’ve been working on it for weeks. I have most of the “new” pieces/songs pretty much finished and the regular mixes are more of less ready. I’m just wanting to get the bonus stuff up to snuff before I post it all. I am also doing “stylized” version of the 3 FRIDAYS songs clips that will be videos to accompany this new version.