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Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:55 am I’m a huge Roger fan and I’m not an a big fan of either album compared to the full lineup albums. but between the 2, I choose Division Bell. AMLOR is just a little too sugary or something. DB has some cool dark stuff that I really like.

Bottom line is that Dave needs Roger and Roger needs Dave. FACT.

As much as I love Roger in Floyd, I definitely like Roger-less Floyd more than any of his solo stuff. Same goes for Dave’s solo stuff (which is better than Roger’s). Unless we’re counting the FINAL CUT as Roger solo, which I always loved.

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:55 am As much as I love Roger in Floyd, I definitely like Roger-less Floyd more than any of his solo stuff. Same goes for Dave’s solo stuff (which is better than Roger’s). Unless we’re counting the FINAL CUT as Roger solo, which I always loved.

dmbrocker wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 6:33 am Both great, but MLoR has "Dogs of War", "One Slip", "Learning to Fly", and "On the Turning Away", so it wins for me. "High Hopes" from DB is definitely a Floyd classic, though.

NeonKnite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:05 am Roger's AMUSED TO DEATH is far better than both DB and MLoR.

If this had the name Pink Floyd on it's cover, it would have been a very big album.

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:14 am Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

FreddyFender wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:33 amGilmour's songwriting doesn't come close to carrying the weight of the Pink Floyd name. It's mostly awful.

Roger Waters songwriting is Pink Floyd. The fact that "Dejavu" off his last album isn't a Pink Floyd song is a matter of brand ownership - that's Pink Floyd, not whatever Gilmour is doing.

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:14 am

NeonKnite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:05 am Roger's AMUSED TO DEATH is far better than both DB and MLoR.

If this had the name Pink Floyd on it's cover, it would have been a very big album.

Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

The racist douche is 81 and still hasn't gotten over his Daddy issues.

NeonKnite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:18 am

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:14 am Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:32 am

NeonKnite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:18 am

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:14 am Disagree completely - it has one really good song, What God Wants (Part 1) and that's because of Jeff Beck. The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range is a decent tune. His voice has always been the weak link on his solo releases.

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

Roger is one of my absolute musical heroes, but I just never liked his solo stuff much at all. He definitely NEEDS whatever Dave always brought to the table.

NeonKnite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 12:27 pm

Wiseacre wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:32 am

NeonKnite wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:18 am

Wrong. Every song on that album is fucking great.

And since Roger wrote all the PF stuff, one can only imagine how much better it would have been with Gilmour guitar/vox instead of Jeff Beck guitar.

Roger is one of my absolute musical heroes, but I just never liked his solo stuff much at all. He definitely NEEDS whatever Dave always brought to the table.

Amused to Death is the exception. I don't care for his other solo outings all that much save for the odd song, but ATD is when he decided to stop fucking around and deliver great music more in line with his PF projects. I assume the PF success with MLoR lit a bit of a fire under him.

Ryan81 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:32 pm Although Pink Floyd has probably been my favorite band for the last couple of years (due to having discovered the Animals effort) I must admit I haven't heard all of The Division Bell. High Hopes is an amazing song about magnets that has brought me to tears more than once I will embarrassingly admit. However, I will give the nod to Momentary Lapse due to being much more familiar with it. Sorrow is a great song that really comes into it's own live. The Delicate Sound Of Thunder version is outstanding! Gilmour's solo that closes out the song is really good (he seems to have a knack for that).

Off topic: If you haven't seen it watch the Roger Waters In The Flesh concert from 2000. It's one of my favorite concert videos. Doyle Bramhall does a really good interpretation of Gilmour's solos. The performance of Dogs is outstanding among many other high points. Even the new song Each Small Candle that closes the show is really good.

https://youtu.be/NDTWsuyDYRM?si=vstgDzugzgRmzwEP

Michael Hotts Ghost wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 5:37 am Division Bell wins for High Hopes alone. Coming Back To Life, What Do You Want From Me, and Keep Talking, are all killers too.

Ryan81 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2024 1:32 pm Although Pink Floyd has probably been my favorite band for the last couple of years (due to having discovered the Animals effort)

ElectrickMagick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:23 pm I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:24 am Funny how Floyd and Zep seem to be the only dinosaurs that never settled their differences for the easy reunion cash.

Love_Industry wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:48 am

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:24 am Funny how Floyd and Zep seem to be the only dinosaurs that never settled their differences for the easy reunion cash.

Or went the revolving door route. Floyd replaced Syd Barrett but that's about it. And it's like Rush replacing Rutsey. Once the band found its classic sound and line-up they stayed the same. With guest musicians on the later Floyd albums but no other official members even when Waters left.

ElectrickMagick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:23 pm I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.

ElectrickMagick wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:23 pm I have always thought that David Gilmour had a better handle on what fans think Pink Floyd should sound like, which is why “Bell” and “Lapse” are so listenable. I would never argue that those albums are truly classic Floyd albums, but they are far more approachable than something like the “Final Cut” which is just too much Waters.