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What was the reason Cinderella broke up for good? I never heard a definitive reason why. Keifer should reunite w/a new guitar player for jeff labar.

Kiefer probably makes more money. Original members usually cost more.

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:58 am Kiefer probably makes more money. Original members usually cost more.

boom!!! not sure they really get along anymore either

Black Stuff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:00 am

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:58 am Kiefer probably makes more money. Original members usually cost more.

boom!!! not sure they really get along anymore either

I don't think that's what the OP was really asking.

I believe they originally broke up because of Kiefer's vocal cord issues, and the whole Grunge thing.

they reunited for a bit, and broke up again, obviously.

as per the Wiki:

"In November 2017, Keifer stated that Cinderella had no plans to reunite, explaining that "issues between the band members are beyond repair."

alleyrulez wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:08 am

Black Stuff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:00 am

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:58 am Kiefer probably makes more money. Original members usually cost more.

boom!!! not sure they really get along anymore either

I don't think that's what the OP was really asking.

I believe they originally broke up because of Kiefer's vocal cord issues, and the whole Grunge thing.

they reunited for a bit, and broke up again, obviously.

as per the Wiki:

"In November 2017, Keifer stated that Cinderella had no plans to reunite, explaining that "issues between the band members are beyond repair."

That was before Labar passed in 2021. Would adding in Eric and Fred with the Cinderella name increase their draw? Maybe for a few festival shows right off the bat.

Fred and Eric realized Tom's voice was going to deteriorate even more over time.

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:18 am Fred and Eric realized Tom's voice was going to deteriorate even more over time.

Yep. And it's fully toast at this point. A buddy of mine went to his concert last summer and sent me several videos. He was shocked how bad he sounded and left early.

Depends on if you mean originally or after they reunited. After they reunited, Jeff apparently became a drunk at some point, which led to him ultimately passing, but before that, they were apparently booked on one of the Cruise gigs, and he was in such bad shape that Tom was basically like "Fuck this", and decided he was just gonna go about it alone.

Cause Tom wrote everything, and the other guys became a pain in the ass for him, combined with his fucked up voice.

Here is an actual transcript of them before they broke up, recorded in a studio where they were trying to do an ep.

"You guys dont do shit!"
"You cant sing, your voice is fucked!"
"Fuck you! Bye!"
"Bye! Fuck you!"

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:23 am

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:18 am Fred and Eric realized Tom's voice was going to deteriorate even more over time.

Yep. And it's fully toast at this point. A buddy of mine went to his concert last summer and sent me several videos. He was shocked how bad he sounded and left early.

Cant be worse than Doken

thanks for responses. I meant when Tom broke up the band and went solo. I remember Jeff's substance abuse being an issue. Tom has not had a great solo career like Bret Michaels has. He puts on a good solo show the one time I saw him and has some good solo songs, but he wrote all the music and lyrics for Cinderella he should tour with the other 2 living members and a guitar player for the member who is deceased. In terms of money there are so many people in Tom's solo band he'd probably make at least as much money playing better venues and higher up on bills with Cinderella, I would think more. Eric and Fred seem easy to get along with and are not addicts, get any good guitar player and touring as Cinderella makes more sense to me. They were a great band; they should still tour some while they are all healthy enough. He could pull a Bret or Vince if he really wants to still play solo shows but play in Cinderella still.

Black Stuff wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:27 pm

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:23 am

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:18 am Fred and Eric realized Tom's voice was going to deteriorate even more over time.

Yep. And it's fully toast at this point. A buddy of mine went to his concert last summer and sent me several videos. He was shocked how bad he sounded and left early.

Cant be worse than Doken

True. But almost as bad.

In Jeff's own words towards the bottom. Read between the lines.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/cinderell ... -loved-me/

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:23 am

HoldenSSV wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:18 am Fred and Eric realized Tom's voice was going to deteriorate even more over time.

Yep. And it's fully toast at this point. A buddy of mine went to his concert last summer and sent me several videos. He was shocked how bad he sounded and left early.

I aught a recent clip on YouTube a couple weeks ago and Tom’s voice was back to where it was pre surgery. Totally blown out.

Fred Coury's doing very well for himself nowadays, as he's a composer/music supervisor of sorts for multiple pro sports teams. Rejoining Cinderella would surely be a step down financially.

There's certainly a point to be made that the "#KEIFERBAND" has far too many mouths to feed, and that it'd be more lucrative for TK to play the Cinderella card (especially if scab Jeff and scab Fred are just hired guns). Guessing Tom wanted to try to make a name for himself on his own in Nashville and distance himself from the hair metal stereotype, but it didn't quite play out as he hoped, which is why the vast majority of his set list is still Cinderella material. The real reason, though, is likely the Yoko factor. If Cinderella reunites, she loses a gig and the ability to keep her hubby under lock and key.

I say a Cinderella reunion and have Johnny Monaco play geetar

MattleyCrue wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:33 pm I say a Cinderella reunion and have Johnny Monaco play geetar

This is a very good idea.

Damn, Monaco does look very similar to Lebar.

A band i regret not being able to see live

I thought it was because one of them became a famous chef - jealousy arose across several band members, so they broke up.

I recall reading an interview with Keifer at some point, in which he said something to the effect that they had an agreement when they reformed in the 2000s that it wouldn’t be called “Cinderella” unless it was the four of them.

Ozzy Stradlin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:44 pm I recall reading an interview with Keifer at some point, in which he said something to the effect that they had an agreement when they reformed in the 2000s that it wouldn’t be called “Cinderella” unless it was the four of them.

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage, The Ugly Step Sisters!

HueyRamone wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:05 pm Cause Tom wrote everything, and the other guys became a pain in the ass for him, combined with his fucked up voice.

Here is an actual transcript of them before they broke up, recorded in a studio where they were trying to do an ep.

"You guys dont do shit!"
"You cant sing, your voice is fucked!"
"Fuck you! Bye!"
"Bye! Fuck you!"

This would be my armchair observance as well

cowpins wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:14 pm In Jeff's own words towards the bottom. Read between the lines.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/cinderell ... -loved-me/

Seems to me that he spelled it out pretty clearly.

Way too much success, they did not know what to do with such amounts of money. They were selling way too much millions of records and packing stadiums in all continents. That's unbearable.

Honestly it was a combo of things everyone has said
-Keifer's voice
-Labar's substance abuse but I will say when I did comedy in Nashville at Zanies he was there with Mark Slaughter and I could tell he was in very good spirits and a good place
-Coury makes a fortune scoring tv shows so he has no need for tour dollars and his wife is a working actress
-and the initial breakup was probably due to grunge and sinking album sales
-MTV stopped playing their videos

Too bad as I thought they were a cut above from most of the other bands but all good things come to an end.

Ozzy Stradlin wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:44 pm I recall reading an interview with Keifer at some point, in which he said something to the effect that they had an agreement when they reformed in the 2000s that it wouldn’t be called “Cinderella” unless it was the four of them.

Fred discussing this and other reason to not reform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnN8kG ... l=KNOTFEST

Earl Skakel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:11 am Honestly it was a combo of things everyone has said

-Labar's substance abuse but I will say when I did comedy in Nashville at Zanies he was there with Mark Slaughter and I could tell he was in very good spirits and a good place

wait. Earl Skakel is a comedian??

Describe "comedian". As in, does he tell jokes and get laughs? No.

Wednesday 13 Fan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:18 pm

cowpins wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:14 pm In Jeff's own words towards the bottom. Read between the lines.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/cinderell ... -loved-me/

Seems to me that he spelled it out pretty clearly.

Yeah, no kidding! I appreciated his honesty. I actually enjoyed his Instagram posts. We made fun of the whole Chef Labar thing but I appreciated how humble and happy he seemed.

What was the actual cause of death? Did he overdose or did his heart just give out after all the previous years of abuse. I thought he was clean except for having a beer while watching the game. Also, I thought he lived alone with his cat(s). Wiki says he was married and they shared the apartment.

LaBar died on July 14, 2021, at the age of 58, in Nashville, Tennessee. His wife Debinique Salazar discovered him unconscious in their Nashville apartment.

Wednesday 13 Fan wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:18 pm

cowpins wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:14 pm In Jeff's own words towards the bottom. Read between the lines.

https://blabbermouth.net/news/cinderell ... -loved-me/

Seems to me that he spelled it out pretty clearly.

This is the article I was referencing up above.

Also, someone explain to me how Fred is doing so well as a composer, and they couldn't use him in the studio to play drums?