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Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:57 pm
by FreddyFender
I say visiting instead of "revisiting" because I've never hard this record, and didn't know it existed until the internet. Engineered and self produced by Sykes - probably not a good sign. Credits say Kalodner is involved, but I am willing to bet his involvement was a couple phone calls of encouragement at best. Okay, here we go:

1. We All Fall Down - Really good song! Sykes is leaning into his Thin Lizzy years, aping Phil Lynott's vocal delivery and lyrical style here.... could have easily been on Lizzy's Thunder and Lightning. Production is a mess, but I guess this is about what we can expect when the record was recorded(!) and produced by John. The (again, fucking fretless) bass is too prevalent, but unlike the self-titled record it's not so loud that it makes the guitars sound tiny.

2. Itchycoo Park - Cover of the Small Faces. Some of Syke's best singing. Overall sound is shit - compare this to the original tune recorded in 1969, and even the mono mix sounds so much better than a record cut 25 later. Syke's solo ABSOLUTELY SMOKES.

3. Cry For Love - Sykes is trying to do a grungy Still of the Night kind of thing here, and I think I'm hearing some No More Tears influence as well. I know I said it a lot in the other thread, but THE FRETLESS BASS IS ATROCIOUS AND COULD NOT BE MORE OUT OF PLACE. Where's the chorus??? Oh right... there isn't one. This is another one of those songs that's a shame, because you listen it and know that Coverdale could have come up with a monster hook over this riff. 7 minute song that goes nowhere, but there's lots of great soloing.

4. Runaway - Jon Bon Sykes over here. This is the ballad and it's a lot better than ballad on the last record, but man "Take these broken wings of love, and learn to fly and rise above" are some awful lyrics. This song is SIX minutes for no good reason.

5. Dance - Unexpected departure into pure hairmetal! Very Sludgy riff! It's good.... until John starts singing. As with the other songs, it's worth the price of admission for the solo section, but the sooner your forget about the rest of it, the better. Love the playing, but the production...man, the rhythm guitars sound like a 5150 dimed right into a Tascam cassette recorder. :lol:

6. I'm On Fire - There's another singer on this song for some reason. I would say they're going for a Van Halen sound, but it's more like... Blue Murder trying to sound like Bulletboys trying to sound like Van Halen. Yeah, this sounds like a song not good enough to make it on a Bulletboys record. Ever wanted to hear Van Halen with an annoying fretless bass? Look no further! Not an awful song, but doesn't fit with anything else on the record.

7. Save My Love - Talk about a left turn! RnB! This obviously starts out as a rewrite of Chaka Khan's "Sweet Thing" done in the style of Glenn Hughes. This is actually pretty good! Basically sounds like something Richie Kotzen would do, but with a Les Paul. DAMN that neck position solo is SWEET. This is definitely a highlight.... has the most plays on Spotify besides the single.

8. Love Child - More hairmetal! Blue Murder does their own Unskinny Bop here.... pretty good. Kind of has a chorus! This song has this major/minor push and pull thing going on. Very George Lynch-y solo. Another song that's 5-and-half minutes when it should have been 3:20 at the MOST.

9. Shouldn't Have Let You Go - This is everything that was bad about the first record - super loud fretless bass, tiny sounding guitars, godawful lyrics. I think they're going for a Warrant-ripoff here. Worst song so far.

10. I Need An Angel - ANOTHER 7 minute song? Yeesh. Completely forgettable melody, some shit lyrics about needin' a woman. There are some "Is This Love" harmony guitars and a nice solo section, but everything else is fucking bad. I cannot imagine being in the room playing this song and at 4 minutes in there are still 3 whole-ass minutes to go.

11. She Knows - Fuck, another completely forgettable ballad. But this one has a bass solo and some strings.

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed that a lot more than the self-titled. If they had managed to release it before grunge hit, I bet they could have sold an extra 500 copies.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:21 pm
by eddie lee roth
Don’t know anything to comment on the music but between this and the debut thread I like your reviews.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:23 am
by PBFSUCKS
I’ve never heard this album before. But your review got me to listen to a few tracks. damn man you are spot on.

The production sucks for sure! The R&B tune, and I would’ve thought it was a Hall & Oates, trying to sound relevant thinking hair metal was still popular. No doubt Sykes can sing and play guitar. Definitely needed a second song writer anyhow nice review. I definitely would never be able to make it through this entire album.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:37 am
by Bono Nettencourt
Never heard it, but it sounds typical of the era - the last gasp of a failed hair metal band in its death throes.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:01 am
by Wild Obsession
"We All Fall Down" and "Dance" are good, rest is completely forgettable.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:10 am
by FreddyFender
Bono Nettencourt wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:37 am Never heard it, but it sounds typical of the era - the last gasp of a failed hair metal band in its death throes.
Yeah, but at least it was on Geffen.

A proper last gasp would have been an album on CMC International with Sean McNabb on bass. :lol:

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:18 am
by Bono Nettencourt
FreddyFender wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:10 am
Bono Nettencourt wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:37 am Never heard it, but it sounds typical of the era - the last gasp of a failed hair metal band in its death throes.
Yeah, but at least it was on Geffen.
Right, but it was self-produced with zero promo... it was like their A&R guy was supposed to drop them but forgot.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:18 pm
by Bono Nettencourt
Did they start, stop, then restart? Or were the Franklin tracks left over from the 1st album...

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:45 pm
by FreddyFender
I think Mendoza played fretless on this record as well.

Also, it's interesting that so many people on here thought Blue Murder's self-titled record was incredible, and then I ask about the follow up and very few have even listened to it. :lol:

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:59 pm
by skinni
It was amazing when it came out, and after just listening to it, the album is still amazing now.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 1:00 pm
by Bono Nettencourt
FreddyFender wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:45 pm I think Mendoza played fretless on this record as well.

Also, it's interesting that so many people on here thought Blue Murder's self-titled record was incredible, and then I ask about the follow up and very few have even listened to it. :lol:
Well, it came out 4 years later... nobody cared anymore.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 1:45 pm
by alleyrulez
FreddyFender wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:57 pm I say visiting instead of "revisiting" because I've never hard this record, and didn't know it existed until the internet. Engineered and self produced by Sykes - probably not a good sign. Credits say Kalodner is involved, but I am willing to bet his involvement was a couple phone calls of encouragement at best. Okay, here we go:

1. We All Fall Down - Really good song! Sykes is leaning into his Thin Lizzy years, aping Phil Lynott's vocal delivery and lyrical style here.... could have easily been on Lizzy's Thunder and Lightning. Production is a mess, but I guess this is about what we can expect when the record was recorded(!) and produced by John. The (again, fucking fretless) bass is too prevalent, but unlike the self-titled record it's not so loud that it makes the guitars sound tiny.

2. Itchycoo Park - Cover of the Small Faces. Some of Syke's best singing. Overall sound is shit - compare this to the original tune recorded in 1969, and even the mono mix sounds so much better than a record cut 25 later. Syke's solo ABSOLUTELY SMOKES.

3. Cry For Love - Sykes is trying to do a grungy Still of the Night kind of thing here, and I think I'm hearing some No More Tears influence as well. I know I said it a lot in the other thread, but THE FRETLESS BASS IS ATROCIOUS AND COULD NOT BE MORE OUT OF PLACE. Where's the chorus??? Oh right... there isn't one. This is another one of those songs that's a shame, because you listen it and know that Coverdale could have come up with a monster hook over this riff. 7 minute song that goes nowhere, but there's lots of great soloing.

4. Runaway - Jon Bon Sykes over here. This is the ballad and it's a lot better than ballad on the last record, but man "Take these broken wings of love, and learn to fly and rise above" are some awful lyrics. This song is SIX minutes for no good reason.

5. Dance - Unexpected departure into pure hairmetal! Very Sludgy riff! It's good.... until John starts singing. As with the other songs, it's worth the price of admission for the solo section, but the sooner your forget about the rest of it, the better. Love the playing, but the production...man, the rhythm guitars sound like a 5150 dimed right into a Tascam cassette recorder. :lol:

6. I'm On Fire - There's another singer on this song for some reason. I would say they're going for a Van Halen sound, but it's more like... Blue Murder trying to sound like Bulletboys trying to sound like Van Halen. Yeah, this sounds like a song not good enough to make it on a Bulletboys record. Ever wanted to hear Van Halen with an annoying fretless bass? Look no further! Not an awful song, but doesn't fit with anything else on the record.

7. Save My Love - Talk about a left turn! RnB! This obviously starts out as a rewrite of Chaka Khan's "Sweet Thing" done in the style of Glenn Hughes. This is actually pretty good! Basically sounds like something Richie Kotzen would do, but with a Les Paul. DAMN that neck position solo is SWEET. This is definitely a highlight.... has the most plays on Spotify besides the single.

8. Love Child - More hairmetal! Blue Murder does their own Unskinny Bop here.... pretty good. Kind of has a chorus! This song has this major/minor push and pull thing going on. Very George Lynch-y solo. Another song that's 5-and-half minutes when it should have been 3:20 at the MOST.

9. Shouldn't Have Let You Go - This is everything that was bad about the first record - super loud fretless bass, tiny sounding guitars, godawful lyrics. I think they're going for a Warrant-ripoff here. Worst song so far.

10. I Need An Angel - ANOTHER 7 minute song? Yeesh. Completely forgettable melody, some shit lyrics about needin' a woman. There are some "Is This Love" harmony guitars and a nice solo section, but everything else is fucking bad. I cannot imagine being in the room playing this song and at 4 minutes in there are still 3 whole-ass minutes to go.

11. She Knows - Fuck, another completely forgettable ballad. But this one has a bass solo and some strings.

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed that a lot more than the self-titled. If they had managed to release it before grunge hit, I bet they could have sold an extra 500 copies.
disagree with you on #9. I love the album as a whole, but that's probably my favorite track on the album. :lol:

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:47 pm
by Van Ailin'
I like it, but it's nowhere near the debut. Maybe 2-4 solid songs, and none are great except the bonus track "Bye Bye Bye," which would have fit on the debut. And that tune has Carmine and Tony on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azql4u626XA

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 6:00 am
by Van Ailin'
BernieTaupson wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:06 am You think that totally forgettable track is better than We All Fall Down?
Yes. It's got a cooler groove.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 7:37 am
by FreddyFender
This sounds like Richie Kotzen if Kotzen couldn't sing or write.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 8:37 am
by Wolfie Van Rachelle
Some great tracks on there and some that could have been awesome but instead are forgettable duds. If only Cozy Powell, Neil Murray, and David Coverdale could have had input on it, it would have been a monster. John needed some counterpoints instead of asskissers who are looking for a quick paycheck.

Very few songwriters can get away with not having co writers, but most really do need them to have a different set of ears and eyes to offer different views.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 1:34 pm
by DonJuanDeMarco
Wolfie Van Rachelle wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 8:37 am Some great tracks on there and some that could have been awesome but instead are forgettable duds. If only Cozy Powell, Neil Murray, and David Coverdale could have had input on it, it would have been a monster. John needed some counterpoints instead of asskissers who are looking for a quick paycheck.

Very few songwriters can get away with not having co writers, but most really do need them to have a different set of ears and eyes to offer different views.
Agree 100%!!!! The musicianship is fine and his vocals are good but the songs are only halfway there!

The first album seems like they were going for that Whitesnake '87 vibe. It's warm and lush and full of reverb.

The 2nd album is more in your face and I like the way this sounds better. The songs seem better too but still not there yet.

I actually really like the Bad Boy Live album. I recommend checking that out. It's got Blue Murder songs, Thin Lizzy and Whitesnake.

Re: Visiting 1993's Blue Murder - Nothin' But Trouble

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:47 am
by Bono Nettencourt
His version of Still of the Night makes Coverversion jealous.