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I remember seeing the video for "Dance" alot,
And I know the videos before got a ton of airplay,
But from "Body Talk" and on,
Did the others do anything?
Did the others get on Dial MTV ?
All of my friends hated "Way Cool Jr.",
loved "I Want A Woman,
Were those on alot ?
It seemed like it but I didn't have MTV anymore so I ask the expert Sludgers

Not a bad poem but it needs to rhyme more.

LitaStrauss wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 5:04 am Not a bad poem but it needs to rhyme more.

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MTV played Round & Round constantly, but barely played Back for More & Wanted Man.
They played Lay it Down constantly, but barely played You're In Love.
They played Dance a fair amount, but not as much as the R&R/LID, & didn't play Slip of the Lip, really at all.
I remember seeing Way Cool Jr. & I Want a Woman seemingly more than the previous record's videos, but for a shorter amount of time overall. Same with Lovin' You's a Dirty Job & Shame, like MTV played the vids a bunch when they first dropped, but that was over quick.

Round and round, Back for more, Lay It down, You're in love, Dance all were in heavy rotation. The others single, LYIADJ included received active roatation, Shame and Nobody's rides were only played during headbangers ball.
you can check all this in billboard magazine archieve
https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archi ... gazine.htm

Shame x3 was played a lot

Domino wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 5:50 am Round and round, Back for more, Lay It down, You're in love, Dance all were in heavy rotation. The others single, LYIADJ included received active roatation, Shame and Nobody's rides were only played during headbangers ball.
you can check all this in billboard magazine archieve
https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archi ... gazine.htm

Ok, so I remembered kinda correctish.
Cool link, another thing I can waste too much time on, thanks?

The last Ratt video I remember being played a lot on MTV was "Lovin' You's a Dirty Job"

str wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:33 pm loved "I Want A Woman,

That video had ugly bitches in it.

It seemed by ‘89 very little of RATT was played on MTV. Their time had come and gone.

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:52 am

str wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:33 pm loved "I Want A Woman,

That video had ugly bitches in it.

Yeah WCJ was better.

Bono Nettencourt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 1:17 pm

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:52 am

str wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:33 pm loved "I Want A Woman,

That video had ugly bitches in it.

Yeah WCJ was better.

Infinitely better.

I learned a few Ratt songs over the last couple of weeks and I love Warren's style. Him, Lynch, and Lee were definitely the 2nd generation's EVH. Round And Round is a very well written part.

str wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:33 pm I remember seeing the video for "Dance" alot,
And I know the videos before got a ton of airplay,
But from "Body Talk" and on,
Did the others do anything?
Did the others get on Dial MTV ?
All of my friends hated "Way Cool Jr.",
loved "I Want A Woman,
Were those on alot ?
It seemed like it but I didn't have MTV anymore so I ask the expert Sludgers

Other way round for me. Found "I Want a Woman" quite cringeworthy. Even for the scene! Way Cool Jr has a cool groove. And as mentioned the video is also way better. Girl with the guitar on her back at the end was stunning.

I Want a Woman is certainly one of the big reasons "Hair Metal" went by way of the 8-track tape. Nirvana was the final nail, but without Poison and Warrant kicking their legs in unison like the Rockettes and once respectable bands like RATT coming out with this drivel, Nirvana may not have had quite as big of an impact. Bands like Alice in Chains & Soundgarden were an easy landing ramp for people wanting to escape the nonsense.

sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:17 am I Want a Woman is certainly one of the big reasons "Hair Metal" went by way of the 8-track tape. Nirvana was the final nail, but without Poison and Warrant kicking their legs in unison like the Rockettes and once respectable bands like RATT coming out with this drivel, Nirvana may not have had quite as big of an impact. Bands like Alice in Chains & Soundgarden were an easy landing ramp for people wanting to escape the nonsense.

This is correct. Definitely the start of things. This and Way Cool JR were squeaky clean and toothless (see what i did there). Setting themselves up for the eventual:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4sYKKEsqTc

"Uh oh"
"Oh no...."

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:52 am

str wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:33 pm loved "I Want A Woman,

That video had ugly bitches in it.

That was just the band

Ratt had a base that would make each album go at least Platinum until Detonator. Were the hardcores turned off by the Desmond Child pop stuff?

LovePowerFromTheMamaHead wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:32 pm

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 03, 2025 10:52 am

str wrote: ↑Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:33 pm loved "I Want A Woman,

That video had ugly bitches in it.

That was just the band

sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:17 am I Want a Woman is certainly one of the big reasons "Hair Metal" went by way of the 8-track tape. Nirvana was the final nail, but without Poison and Warrant kicking their legs in unison like the Rockettes and once respectable bands like RATT coming out with this drivel, Nirvana may not have had quite as big of an impact. Bands like Alice in Chains & Soundgarden were an easy landing ramp for people wanting to escape the nonsense.

I concur with this 100%, but “I Want a Woman” came out in ‘88. What was really happening was - they were also making bands like GnR look quite genuinely rocking in comparison.

This, of course, paved the way for the Seattle scene to take over.

I still will never forget, all those bands coming out and doing something real, while contrasting with all of that, we had Def Leppard putting out that horseshit video for that horseshit song, “Let’s Get Rocked.”

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:05 pm Ratt had a base that would make each album go at least Platinum until Detonator. Were the hardcores turned off by the Desmond Child pop stuff?

The hardcores were the only ones who bought it, the casuals went away. If a casual bought DU, they would have said "this sounds like the first 2 records, no need to buy anything else". Then, whatever was left of the casuals did the same thing on RFTS. By the time Detonator came out, the casuals were gone.

Ozzy Stradlin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 8:00 pm

sirthx2 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:17 am I Want a Woman is certainly one of the big reasons "Hair Metal" went by way of the 8-track tape. Nirvana was the final nail, but without Poison and Warrant kicking their legs in unison like the Rockettes and once respectable bands like RATT coming out with this drivel, Nirvana may not have had quite as big of an impact. Bands like Alice in Chains & Soundgarden were an easy landing ramp for people wanting to escape the nonsense.

I still will never forget, all those bands coming out and doing something real, while contrasting with all of that, we had Def Leppard putting out that horseshit video for that horseshit song, “Let’s Get Rocked.”

The crazy thing is "Let's Get Rocked" was a hit and it came out in March 1992, right when grunge was really taking over. It made it to #15 on the Billboard Top 100. And "Adrenalize" went 3 times platinum. So even though grunge took over, there was still some very successful hairbands. Sure Andrenalize didn't sell 10 million like Hysteria but 3 million is still a crazy amount for 1992/1993 with probably one of the cheesiest hairband songs and videos ever.

It's like people were fine with a few cheesy hairbands (Jackyl was also doing well in 92/93) but they just didn't need 30 anymore.

tooth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 6:49 am

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:05 pm Ratt had a base that would make each album go at least Platinum until Detonator. Were the hardcores turned off by the Desmond Child pop stuff?

The hardcores were the only ones who bought it, the casuals went away. If a casual bought DU, they would have said "this sounds like the first 2 records, no need to buy anything else". Then, whatever was left of the casuals did the same thing on RFTS. By the time Detonator came out, the casuals were gone.

It was the opposite for me. I started liking them a lot more with Detonator. The songs were written better and the lyrics finally had some meaning, not just word salad. Pearcy was an awful lyricist until Child helped him.

So, they had around 500k hardcores and another half-a-million casuals? Still, it's an achievement to be at Platinum level for 4 years.

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:58 am So, they had around 500k hardcores and another half-a-million casuals? Still, it's an achievement to be at Platinum level for 4 years.

Not sure where you went with this. I was only responding to your last sentence above. And only about my experience.

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:03 pm

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:58 am So, they had around 500k hardcores and another half-a-million casuals? Still, it's an achievement to be at Platinum level for 4 years.

Not sure where you went with this. I was only responding to your last sentence above. And only about my experience.

Sorry. I was responding to tooth. Forgot to quote him.

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:05 pm

Indy_Rob wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:03 pm

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:58 am So, they had around 500k hardcores and another half-a-million casuals? Still, it's an achievement to be at Platinum level for 4 years.

Not sure where you went with this. I was only responding to your last sentence above. And only about my experience.

Sorry. I was responding to tooth. Forgot to quote him.

I was with Ratt from Day 1 but by albums 3 & 4, they were lacking & altho they came thru every year on tour with strong openers. By Detonator, they were on back burner to the Skids, Warrants, Slaughters of the time. The newer bands connected better with us since we were much closer in age (21 in 89/90) & Ratt was in their 30s
Detonator was a good album & much more catchy, but they had been bypassed

Rocker4Real wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 11:58 am So, they had around 500k hardcores and another half-a-million casuals? Still, it's an achievement to be at Platinum level for 4 years.

No
I'm saying that, of the 500k units that made Detonator gold, 33% were hardcores, 33% were casuals & 34% were shipped & didn't get sold. Whether they knew it or not, that was the beginning of the end, it was over. I'm sure the poorly attended club tour for said record sealed it. With that being said, as a hardcore, that's when they got interesting.

Someone in another thread mentioned Greg Prato's book on Ratt ,
I read that book too ,
He said something in it that is relevant in this thread,
He said that "Home Sweet Home" and "Tears Are Falling" were going back and forth between #1 and #2 on Dial MTV for a long time, and during that, Ratt's "You're In Love" was always at #3 behind those ,
Is that accurate ?