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Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 7:54 am
by Rocker4Real
https://blabbermouth.net/news/steven-wi ... tial-audio
Asked what the challenges were working on remixes of GUNS N' ROSES' 1991 multi-platinum releases "Use Your Illusion I" and "Use Your Illusion II", Wilson said (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "Well, the challenges were the band didn't like what I was doing. That came through the record company, and I did it all, and then the band basically vetoed it all. So the only thing that ever came out was my remix of 'November Rain', with a real orchestra added. And that was a shame, 'cause that's a lot of music on those records — I think I worked on about 40 songs, including outtakes, B-sides and God knows what else. And then the band basically turned around and decided they didn't like it. They didn't like [Dolby] Atmos [a surround sound technology that creates a more immersive, three-dimensional audio experience], they didn't like the idea of their music being in spatial audio. So that project is kind of just sitting on my hard drive, unreleased and unheard. It's such a shame.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:55 am
by Anthrax442
Cry me a fucking river. It's their album, if GNR doesn't like what you've done with it, then that's their right.
You didn't write the music, you didn't perform the music, you DON'T get a say in how it's presented.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 10:13 am
by Velvis
Anthrax442 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:55 am
Cry me a fucking river. It's their album, if GNR doesn't like what you've done with it, then that's their right.
You didn't write the music, you didn't perform the music, you DON'T get a say in how it's presented.
That is your takeaway from the article?
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 10:35 am
by Anthrax442
Velvis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 10:13 am
Anthrax442 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:55 am
Cry me a fucking river. It's their album, if GNR doesn't like what you've done with it, then that's their right.
You didn't write the music, you didn't perform the music, you DON'T get a say in how it's presented.
That is your takeaway from the article?
Yes, it sounds like he's whining that he did a bunch of work to get rejected.
Was there some other thing that I'm missing?
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 3:46 pm
by FreddyFender
If the band didn't like the remixes or agree to the album being remixed in the first place then yeah - I'm glad they were able to veto it.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 3:48 pm
by Chip Z'Hoy
Really mixed (ha!) feelings on Dolby Atmos/spatial audio. Most of the time it kinda sounds fucked up to me. Once in a while, it'll be kinda cool and interesting but in the way that a lot of remixed albums are, just certain things popping out I never heard before.
But for a while, I had it completely turned off. There was a Jason Isbell song that sounded like a hillbilly's ghost singing over a vacuum cleaner.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:18 pm
by Anthrax442
Chip Z'Hoy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 3:48 pm
Really mixed (ha!) feelings on Dolby Atmos/spatial audio. Most of the time it kinda sounds fucked up to me. Once in a while, it'll be kinda cool and interesting but in the way that a lot of remixed albums are, just certain things popping out I never heard before.
But for a while, I had it completely turned off. There was a Jason Isbell song that sounded like a hillbilly's ghost singing over a vacuum cleaner.
That's exactly it. If' it's like, say, Pink Floyd, then okay, maybe it would work and that could be interesting.
But who the fuck wants an Atmos version of Garden of Eden or Get in the Ring? It's a rock album, not an action movie.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:22 pm
by Velvis
Anthrax442 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 10:35 am
Velvis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 10:13 am
Anthrax442 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:55 am
Cry me a fucking river. It's their album, if GNR doesn't like what you've done with it, then that's their right.
You didn't write the music, you didn't perform the music, you DON'T get a say in how it's presented.
That is your takeaway from the article?
Yes, it sounds like he's whining that he did a bunch of work to get rejected.
Was there some other thing that I'm missing?
To me it sounds like a guy who was hired and paid to do a creative endeavor and was disappointed that it wasn't going to get released. At no point did he sound bitter or pissed off nor did he allude to how he wrote or performed the music or demanded how it was to be presented.
So, in my opinion you missed that by projecting things on to what was actually said.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:23 pm
by Chip Z'Hoy
I bet "My World" sounds NUTS.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 6:40 pm
by Anthrax442
Velvis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:22 pm
To me it sounds like a guy who was hired and paid to do a creative endeavor and was disappointed that it wasn't going to get released. At no point did he sound bitter or pissed off nor did he allude to how he wrote or performed the music or demanded how it was to be presented.
So, in my opinion you missed that by projecting things on to what was actually said.
Maybe I was a bit harsh, but later on, it definitely sounded like sour grapes when his friends were asking him to play what didn't get released, and he was all like, "Eh, nah, I don't like that kind of music anyway."
If you were really that proud of what you did, wouldn't you want to show it off if your friends asked?
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 7:10 pm
by HottKarl777
Chip Z'Hoy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:23 pm
I bet "My World" sounds NUTS.
That's the one that would really benefit. You could really get inside Bill's psychosis. Feel it.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:41 am
by SterileEyes1
I read the article and unless they didn’t pay him or something it felt to me like he was unprofessional and talking out of school. It’s not like they do interviews but wouldn’t blame the band for thinking “Great, now we get to answer for this.”
In that camp, even if you only work for them for a day, I’m pretty sure “You don’t talk about Fight Club” is the first thing they tell you.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 7:48 am
by Neil Diamond Dave
What he does is kinda interesting. It’s clear he mostly picks albums from his prog rock fan hood, like Kkng Crimson or Yes.
Would still love to hear what he could do to And Justice For All or Born Again.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 8:32 am
by SeniorGrande
They did experiment with
Illusion rough mixes with QSound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QSound
but never used them.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:48 am
by Fat_Elvis
I believe the old saying is, "you can't polish a turd."
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 2:33 am
by NeonKnite
Fat_Elvis wrote: ↑Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:48 am
I believe the old saying is, "you can't polish a turd."
Bingo, we have a winner.
Those are shit albums.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:43 am
by Wild Obsession
Steven Wilson is a fucking nerd.
Re: Do you want spatial audio remixes? GNR didn't
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2025 9:30 am
by magnersman
Wild Obsession wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 6:43 am
Steven Wilson is a fucking nerd.
Yes, he is, also a very talented musician, producer and mixer.