Luck vs. Robert Leaf III

[UncleTomsCabin]

RL3 may look like the fancier player, but I think Luck was the better pick. Got a not very good team to 4-3. RL3 has more talent around him and a 3-5 record.

Neither touch my boy Matt Ryan, but Luck looks like he could be a Ryan type passer.

[poizond13]

I didn't watch the Skins game but it doesn't look like Roger Griffith III had a great game. I'm sure ESPN will keep raving about him though.

Luck played an excellent game and led his team to a victory, giving us a 4-3 record. He led two game winning drives at the end of regulation and overtime. Huge contributions by players like Reggie Wayne, Donald Brown, and Vick Ballard also can't be ignored. COLTSTRONG!

[dtmfs]

Oh Yeah He's Ryan Leaf alright, He has nearly 500 rushing yards leads the league in pass% which would be even higher if his teammates didn't drop 11 passes.

[Crazy Levi]

Oh Yeah He's Ryan Leaf alright, He has nearly 500 rushing yards leads the league in pass% which would be even higher if his teammates didn't drop 11 passes.

Cute thread title, well done. Really clever how Unclehack just copied what I did without any regard to Griffin's last name or the alliteration that makes "Andrew Leaf" work. I mean even Robert Grossman III would work...and that's just off the top of my head.

Anyway...

I saw the game of course. It was just a terrible game but RG3 was fine. He's great.

His teammates dropped passes all day. The Skins' D was TERRIBLE and they were playing from behind all day. Rotten game.

The defense is completely depressing, that's really all I have to say about today's game.

Also, I am enjoying the budding romance between UncleHack and P13. Everybody needs someone to have their back, so it's really heartening to see - finally - someone here who likes P13, and will defend his honor.

Also...it's completely ridiculous to say the Skins have "more talent" around their QB than Luck, or pretty much any NFL QB. The Skins' roster is extremely unimpressive, all their good players are now hurt, or old. It's really depressing like I said. This is year 3 of the Shanahan rebuild plan - awful teams turn it around all the time in three years and it still seems like these guys are just getting going. Awful.

[poizond13]

Oh Yeah He's Ryan Leaf alright, He has nearly 500 rushing yards leads the league in pass% which would be even higher if his teammates didn't drop 11 passes.

Cute thread title, well done. Really clever how Unclehack just copied what I did without any regard to Griffin's last name or the alliteration that makes "Andrew Leaf" work. I mean even Robert Grossman III would work...and that's just off the top of my head.

Anyway...

I saw the game of course. It was just a terrible game but RG3 was fine. He's great.

His teammates dropped passes all day. The Skins' D was TERRIBLE and they were playing from behind all day. Rotten game.

The defense is completely depressing, that's really all I have to say about today's game.

Also, I am enjoying the budding romance between UncleHack and P13. Everybody needs someone to have their back, so it's really heartening to see - finally - someone here who likes P13, and will defend his honor.

Also...it's completely ridiculous to say the Skins have "more talent" around their QB than Luck, or pretty much any NFL QB. The Skins' roster is extremely unimpressive, all their good players are now hurt, or old. It's really depressing like I said. This is year 3 of the Shanahan rebuild plan - awful teams turn it around all the time in three years and it still seems like these guys are just getting going. Awful.

And the excuses begin for Griffith III. Funny, before the season all everyone was talking about was how RG3 would probably have a better rookie season than Luck, because he had better weapons and a better team around him. Now the Griffith fans are saying the opposite is true.

Anyways, excuses aside, I have nothing against Griffith. I am just incredibly happy, as are the entire Colts organization and fan base, with the player we selected at #1. Couldn't be any more thrilled with his performance so far.

[Space Bear]

Also, I am enjoying the budding romance between UncleHack and P13. Everybody needs someone to spooge on their back, so it's really heartening to see - finally - someone here who likes P13, and will bust a nut all over his honor.

[Crazy Levi]

So, P13 and UncleHack - you think the Redskins would be doing better with Andrew Luck as their QB?

Interesting theory.

[poizond13]

So, P13 and UncleHack - you think the Redskins would be doing better with Andrew Luck as their QB?

Interesting theory.

I'm not really interested in entertaining your scenarios that are designed to create excuses for your hero. I'll just say that Luck has had to deal with an average running game, terrible protection, a below average receiving core other than Wayne, and an inconsistent defense. Yet, our record remains 4-3. No excuses needed.

[poizond13]

I'm sure the Griffith fans think he's the only QB to EVER have his receivers drop passes.

I think they're just shocked because earlier this week, Michael Wilbon told them that Griffith was the best football player of all time.

[Crazy Levi]

RG3 is great. The rest of the roster is terrible.

Go ahead and find one player on the Skins' offensive active roster that you'd want on your team.

It's not an "excuse" for Rg3's play - why would I need to make excuses for him? He played well today, as he has in every single game this season.

[UncleTomsCabin]

I watched that scrub Mike Vick rack up a ton of rushing yards and run fancy plays while Drew Brees proved long term to be the superior QB.

Running QBs very rarely turn into great QBs.

If you would like I'll call him RY3, as in Robert Young III. Vince Young once had a great year, too.

[UncleTomsCabin]

RG3 is great. The rest of the roster is terrible.

Go ahead and find one player on the Skins' offensive active roster that you'd want on your team.

It's not an "excuse" for Rg3's play - why would I need to make excuses for him? He played well today, as he has in every single game this season.

He didn't play well against the Atlanta Falcons. He spent the 2nd half seeing stars after that Weatherspoon hit.

[Crazy Levi]

The only two people here who think Rg3 is having anything except a fantastic success of a season are a moron and a racist.

[dtmfs]

And the excuses begin for Griffith III. Funny, before the season all everyone was talking about was how RG3 would probably have a better rookie season than Luck, because he had better weapons and a better team around him. Now the Griffith fans are saying the opposite is true.

Anyways, excuses aside, I have nothing against Griffith. I am just incredibly happy, as are the entire Colts organization and fan base, with the player we selected at #1. Couldn't be any more thrilled with his performance so far.

The dropped passes is not an excuse, Do You watch NFL Network? They showed 11 dropped passes, the majority right in his recievers hands. You act as If Luck is somehow head and shoulders above Griffin When He clearly isent, Hell He's barely having a better season than Ryan fucking Tannehill. He's good but hasent exactly been groundbreaking. Griffin on the other hand could end up with a few rookie records, Don't see Luck doing that this year unless He breaks the most pass attempts by a rookie in history.

[poizond13]

And the excuses begin for Griffith III. Funny, before the season all everyone was talking about was how RG3 would probably have a better rookie season than Luck, because he had better weapons and a better team around him. Now the Griffith fans are saying the opposite is true.

Anyways, excuses aside, I have nothing against Griffith. I am just incredibly happy, as are the entire Colts organization and fan base, with the player we selected at #1. Couldn't be any more thrilled with his performance so far.

The dropped passes is not an excuse .

Sure it is. In case you didn't realize it, EVERY QB in the league deals with drops. That's part of the game. Luck has had receivers drop passes all year. You can't add drops to a QBs stats, get over it.

As for Luck, he is impressing me far more than any other rookie QB this year. It's not just his stats, either. His awareness is off the charts. His reads have been great. He's shown excellent pocket presence and an incredible ability to avoid pressure and find the open man. He's taking what the defense gives him and making plays any way he can. Unlike RG3, the Colts are putting the game in Luck's hands and asking him to win it. The entire playbook is open for Luck. The team is asking him to do a lot and he is delivering, whereas the Skins are definitely managing RG3 and not letting him throw very much or very deep.

[poizond13]

RG3 is great. The rest of the roster is terrible.

Go ahead and find one player on the Skins' offensive active roster that you'd want on your team.

It's not an "excuse" for Rg3's play - why would I need to make excuses for him? He played well today, as he has in every single game this season.

He played "well?"

16-34 177 yds, 1TD

In today's NFL, that hardly qualifies as playing well.

[dtmfs]

Sure it is. In case you didn't realize it, EVERY QB in the league deals with drops. That's part of the game. Luck has had receivers drop passes all year. You can't add drops to a QBs stats, get over it.

As for Luck, he is impressing me far more than any other rookie QB this year. It's not just his stats, either. His awareness is off the charts. His reads have been great. He's shown excellent pocket presence and an incredible ability to avoid pressure and find the open man. He's taking what the defense gives him and making plays any way he can. Unlike RG3, the Colts are putting the game in Luck's hands and asking him to win it. The entire playbook is open for Luck. The team is asking him to do a lot and he is delivering, whereas the Skins are definitely managing RG3 and not letting him throw very much or very deep.

Of course Every QB deals with dropped passes, but I didn't see the analysts breakdown every QB's dropped passes like they did with Griffin, probably because You don't so many easy cathes get dropped in every fucking game the way the redskins were dropping shit.

I stopped reading the rest of that shit When You went full on Homer to a ridiculous degree.

Luck also owns the 3rd worst QB rating in the league, Tannehill is even rated higher, a guy who most thought would be a bust by week 3. Theres being a fan then theres delusion. I think He'll probably turn out great but fact is Luck hasent been all that this year and He has a better weapon in Wayne than either Griffin or Tannehill. You wouldn't be such an annoying poster when discissing sports If You'd take the homerism way down.

[poizond13]

Sure it is. In case you didn't realize it, EVERY QB in the league deals with drops. That's part of the game. Luck has had receivers drop passes all year. You can't add drops to a QBs stats, get over it.

As for Luck, he is impressing me far more than any other rookie QB this year. It's not just his stats, either. His awareness is off the charts. His reads have been great. He's shown excellent pocket presence and an incredible ability to avoid pressure and find the open man. He's taking what the defense gives him and making plays any way he can. Unlike RG3, the Colts are putting the game in Luck's hands and asking him to win it. The entire playbook is open for Luck. The team is asking him to do a lot and he is delivering, whereas the Skins are definitely managing RG3 and not letting him throw very much or very deep.

Of course Every QB deals with dropped passes, but I didn't see the analysts breakdown every QB's dropped passes like they did with Griffin, probably because You don't so many easy cathes get dropped in every fucking game the way the redskins were dropping shit.

I stopped reading the rest of that shit When You went full on Homer to a ridiculous degree.

Luck also owns the 3rd worst QB rating in the league, Tannehill is even rated higher, a guy who most thought would be a bust by week 3. Theres being a fan then theres delusion. I think He'll probably turn out great but fact is Luck hasent been all that this year and He has a better weapon in Wayne than either Griffin or Tannehill. You wouldn't be such an annoying poster when discissing sports If You'd take the homerism way down.

I'm not the one making excuses here, you are. I admitted when Luck had a bad game, two weeks ago. I said it flat out, no excuses needed. This week, he went out on the road and won the game for us. What more needs to be said? How am I a homer for stating that? Everything I stated about Luck and RG3 is pretty much fact. Sorry if that offends you.

[dtmfs]

I'm not the one making excuses here, you are.

Everything I stated about Luck and RG3 is pretty much fact. Sorry if that offends you.

Why would I make excuses for Griffin, I'm not a Redskins fan. And Bullshit, Griffin is having a much better season than Luck, There are things called stats that back that up. RG3 is the 3rd rated passer in the NFL Andrew Luck is 31st, RG3 has as many TD's as Luck and in way fewer attempts is only like 70 yards behind him in passing yards, He has less INT, And 468 yards rushing with 6 scores. The only thing luck has on Griffin is a small advantage in yards and a shitload more attempts. Clearly Griffin has been the supperior player, numbers don't lie.

[poizond13]

I'm not the one making excuses here, you are.

Everything I stated about Luck and RG3 is pretty much fact. Sorry if that offends you.

Why would I make excuses for Griffin, I'm not a Redskins fan. And Bullshit, Griffin is having a much better season than Luck, There are things called stats that back that up. RG3 is the 3rd rated passer in the NFL Andrew Luck is 31st, RG3 has as many TD's as Luck and in way fewer attempts is only like 70 yards behind him in passing yards, He has less INT, And 468 yards rushing with 6 scores. The only thing luck has on Griffin is a small advantage in yards and a shitload more attempts. Clearly Griffin has been ther supperior player, numbers don't lie.

QB rating is an antiquated stat and means nothing. It was developed in the 70s and isn't that relevant to today's game. I'd rather look at ESPN's total QBR, which takes into account far more information than the basic passer rating. In that rating, Luck surpasses Griffith III.

Luck has played one fewer game than RG3 and still has more yards and an equal amount of TDs. Luck's average pass completion is much higher than RG3's. He has even run for more first downs than RG3!

The easiest way you can tell who is the more advanced QB is by how much they're asked to do by their team. Luck is throwing the ball often and he's throwing deep. RG3 is not throwing as much, and he rarely ever goes down the field. Most of his completions are short passes. That's why his completion percentage is so high. His completion percentage wouldn't be what it is if he were throwing as often and as deep as Luck has been.

[poizond13]

I'm not the one making excuses here, you are.

Everything I stated about Luck and RG3 is pretty much fact. Sorry if that offends you.

Why would I make excuses for Griffin, I'm not a Redskins fan.

Exactly, so why ARE you making excuses for him?

[dtmfs]

The easiest way you can tell who is the more advanced QB is by how much they're asked to do by their team.

Yeah this kind of reminds me of When Shula said, "If You have a winning horse, You run him!" In other words They put all their faith in one mans arm, that sure as fuck got them alot of regular season wins and a Shitload of broken records but it never got em' a trophy.

Meanwhile Some other coach on the west coast was like "Shit, let me assemble a great team, A System that assured the QB didn't have to throw deep often which led to a high pass% and few turnovers" Shit that only led to 4 Championships.

Yeah and Montana constantly had a higher passer rating than the guy who was throwing for 4500 yards and 40 TD's, but shit that's a worthless way to judge a QB.

So I take it You would go with Shulas method then?

[dtmfs]

Exactly, so why ARE you making excuses for him?

Why Do You have a picture of a cowboy who looks like He needs to take a shit in Your sig?

[poizond13]

The easiest way you can tell who is the more advanced QB is by how much they're asked to do by their team.

Yeah this kind of reminds me of When Shula said, "If You have a winning horse, You run him!" In other words They put all their faith in one mans arm, that sure as fuck got them alot of regular season wins and a Shitload of broken records but it never got em' a trophy.

Meanwhile Some other coach on the west coast was like "Shit, let me assemble a great team, A System that assured the QB didn't have to throw deep often which led to a high pass% and few turnovers" Shit that only led to 4 Championships.

Yeah and Montana constantly had a higher passer rating than the guy who was throwing for 4500 yards and 40 TD's, but shit that's a worthless way to judge a QB.

So I take it You would go with Shulas method then?

I'm not here to debate west coast offense vs conventional. They both have their merits. Point is, RG3 does not have the full playbook to his disposal. They are coddling him and not letting him throw that much. Which is probably a good strategy for their team. But you shouldn't talk so highly about his completion percentage when you know damn well he isn't throwing the ball very much, and is not going down field at all. His throws are mostly short throws and check downs, so it's no wonder he'll have a high completion percentage and QB rating.

Arians is doing pretty much the opposite. He's putting the ball in Luck's hands and telling him to go win the game. There's no coddling at all. He's pretty much being treated like a veteran by the coaching staff, because they have confidence in him. You can debate strategies all you want, but the Colts are 4-3 and the Redskins are 3-5. I'm happy with how it's worked out for us so far.

[dtmfs]

I'm not here to debate west coast offense vs conventional. They both have their merits. Point is, RG3 does not have the full playbook to his disposal. They are coddling him and not letting him throw that much. Which is probably a good strategy for their team. But you shouldn't talk so highly about his completion percentage when you know damn well he isn't throwing the ball very much, and is not going down field at all. His throws are mostly short throws and check downs, so it's no wonder he'll have a high completion percentage and QB rating.

Coddling him? being thrown back on the field a week after a concussion isent exactly coddling a guy. What RG3 is doing is called playing smart hence his 101 passer rating. And just a little hint, it's not that great an idea to throw the ball too much unless you're playing a defense like the saints. They allso have some Decent RB's. It's obvious RG3 isent gonna be a drew brees or matt stafford "5000" or bust type QB. He can beat You with his arm and his legs. Luck can to a degree as well, as He has 100+ rushing yards and 3 scores. He's just not all around talented as RG3. This whole thing is really fucking stupid, they're both good young QB's with bright futures, but right now RG3 is having a better individual seaon.

[poizond13]

I'm not here to debate west coast offense vs conventional. They both have their merits. Point is, RG3 does not have the full playbook to his disposal. They are coddling him and not letting him throw that much. Which is probably a good strategy for their team. But you shouldn't talk so highly about his completion percentage when you know damn well he isn't throwing the ball very much, and is not going down field at all. His throws are mostly short throws and check downs, so it's no wonder he'll have a high completion percentage and QB rating.

Coddling him? being thrown back on the field a week after a concussion isent exactly coddling a guy. What RG3 is doing is called playing smart hence his 101 passer rating. And just a little hint, it's not that great an idea to throw the ball too much unless you're playing a defense like the saints. They allso have some Decent RB's. It's obvious RG3 isent gonna be a drew brees or matt stafford "5000" or bust type QB. He can beat You with his arm and his legs. Luck can to a degree as well, as He has 100+ rushing yards and 3 scores. He's just not all around talented as RG3. This whole thing is really fucking stupid, they're both good young QB's with bright futures, but right now RG3 is having a better individual seaon.

No way in hell is RG3 having a better season. His only advantage over Luck is having more rushing yards. But the Colts didn't draft Luck to be a RB. He's a pass first QB that can run when he has to, and that's the kind of QB I want under center for my team. What's more, each QB's record speaks for itself. I do agree that RG3 is having himself a nice year, but Luck is simply the best rookie QB so far.

[dtmfs]

No way in hell is RG3 having a better season. His only advantage over Luck is having more rushing yards. But the Colts didn't draft Luck to be a RB. He's a pass first QB that can run when he has to, and that's the kind of QB I want under center for my team. What's more, each QB's record speaks for itself. I do agree that RG3 is having himself a nice year, but Luck is simply the best rookie QB so far.

I believe that's pretty easy to figure out, go look at the stats, RG3 has an advantage in everything but passing yards and attempts, and as I said before He's only a whopping 70 yards or so behind Luck in yards with almost 100 less attempts.

Luck is closer to Tannehill than He is to RG3, Tannehill a converted WR for fuck sakes.

[poizond13]

No way in hell is RG3 having a better season. His only advantage over Luck is having more rushing yards. But the Colts didn't draft Luck to be a RB. He's a pass first QB that can run when he has to, and that's the kind of QB I want under center for my team. What's more, each QB's record speaks for itself. I do agree that RG3 is having himself a nice year, but Luck is simply the best rookie QB so far.

I believe that's pretty easy to figure out, go look at the stats, RG3 has an advantage in everything but passing yards and attempts, and as I said before He's only a whopping 70 yards or so behind Luck in yards with almost 100 less attempts.

Luck is closer to Tannehill than He is to RG3, Tannehill a converted WR for fuck sakes.

Luck has more yards and same amount of TDs, despite playing one fewer game. But we can argue stats all day. The most important thing is, Luck is 4-3 and has had game winning drives in 3 out of the 4 wins. RG3 is 3-5.

[Facedown]

Everything I stated about Luck and RG3 is pretty much fact.

The Skins did the right thing going for RG3. He's gonna be great and well worth the asking price.

Like I said before, RG3 will be a bust.

[Facedown]

QB rating is an antiquated stat and means nothing.

Here's all the fucking logic you need:

Career PLAYOFF Qb Rating:

Manning- 88.4
Brady- 85.7