RGIII Developing Faster Than Luck....

[Drunk Kennedy]

some nice insider analysis:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... m=facebook

We have an Insider analysis piece from Ben Alamar that examines the difference in performance so far between Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who was the No. 1 pick in April's draft, and Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, who was picked second. Ben's conclusion after looking through the numbers is that while both have performed at very high levels so far for rookies, Griffin is developing more quickly as an NFL quarterback than Luck is. Ben's conclusions include:

That Griffin is getting rid of the ball more quickly than Luck is.

That Griffin bears less of the responsibility for the sacks he's taking than Luck does for his.

That, while Luck throws the ball downfield more, Griffin does so more efficiently. (Fifty-seven percent completions on throws 10 or more yards downfield, compared with 49 percent for Luck.)

That the downfield passing numbers show that Griffin is being more judicious and perhaps reading defenses better.

The stats show Luck takes longer to get rid of the ball than Griffin and throws the ball down the field a lot more than Griffin. This suggests Luck is pressing too much and not recognizing when to check down as quickly as Griffin is. Griffin, in part, is doing a better job of quickly recognizing when he has a good opportunity to go deep and when he needs to get rid of the ball. This gives Griffin the current edge as both players strive to fulfill the promise of the draft slots.

Still, both rookies are performing at an extremely high level, and all signs point to both of them continuing to progress toward the levels of the Mannings and Bradys of the league. Griffin is the early leader out of the gate, but both will get there eventually. And when they do, we'll be comparing which elite QB is better.


Since these two will always be compared due to their proximity in the 2012 draft, I'm sure this won't be the last time we bring this up. But if you were wondering which rookie quarterback has performed better, there appear to be some numbers to suggest it's the one in Washington.

[Crazy Levi]

Yep, that's what the experts are saying.

And anybody who has seen both of them play. Andrew Leaf is turning the ball over...like a rookie.

RG3 is playing like a seasoned veteran. Is there anybody here who still thinks that the Colts would have passed on him in favor of wonder boy if they knew then what we all know now?

Blunder of the century.

[bane]

But, but, but, he 's a running quarterback!

[Crazy Levi]

But, but, but, he 's a running quarterback!

Only people who spend all of their time texting instead of watching every single play of every single game every single weekend would say that.

RG3 is TOPS in the NFL at over 70 percent completion rate.

Do you realize how fucking out to lunch that is? His accuracy is MINDBLOWING not just for a rookie, but for anybody.

Andrew Leaf's completion percentage is hoovering around a pathetic 50 percent. I don't necessarily blame him. You have to wonder why the Colts' think having him throw 50 times a game is a good idea. Is their running game that bad? Or do they just think that's how he'll get better?

Lord knows the Skins' coaching staff ain't perfect, but I really do think they have done a magnificent job bringing him along, and judicious passing - along with instilling a great running game - is part of it.

RG3 is throwing 25-30 passes a game...instead of the utterly ridiculous 45-55 passes a game many of these other guys are chucking.
I'll never understand the mentality of throwing your rookie QB out there and having him pass every down, no matter who he is.

Here is a fair and balanced article which seeks to explain Andrew Leaf's low completion rate:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1368 ... age-so-low

[johnk5150]

Yep, that's what the experts are saying.

And anybody who has seen both of them play. Andrew Leaf is turning the ball over...like a rookie.

RG3 is playing like a seasoned veteran. Is there anybody here who still thinks that the Colts would have passed on him in favor of wonder boy if they knew then what we all know now?

Blunder of the century.

In that town it was the right pick. They like their QBs white and slow.

All the way back to Baltimore actually.

[Drunk Kennedy]

lmfao @ andrew leaf!

[Crazy Levi]

Yep, that's what the experts are saying.

And anybody who has seen both of them play. Andrew Leaf is turning the ball over...like a rookie.

RG3 is playing like a seasoned veteran. Is there anybody here who still thinks that the Colts would have passed on him in favor of wonder boy if they knew then what we all know now?

Blunder of the century.

In that town it was the right pick. They like their QBs white and slow.

All the way back to Baltimore actually.

Art Schlister and Jeff George were awesome picks in this mold.

To be fair, they picked Elway too...but that didn't work out.

[Crazy Levi]

lmfao @ andrew leaf!

If Luck actually DOES bust...remember you heard that line here first!

[Space Bear]

I'm not going to form an opinion about this article until P13 chimes in with his expert analysis.

[johnk5150]

Art Schlister and Jeff George were awesome picks in this mold.

To be fair, they picked Elway too...but that didn't work out.

I thought Elway told the Colts not to pick him. Didn't he threaten to play baseball or something if they did? Pretty sure he had a deal ready to be signed with the Yankees if the Colts took him.

[Crazy Levi]

Art Schlister and Jeff George were awesome picks in this mold.

To be fair, they picked Elway too...but that didn't work out.

I thought Elway told the Colts not to pick him. Didn't he threaten to play baseball or something if they did? Pretty sure he had a deal ready to be signed with the Yankees if the Colts took him.

He was drafted (despite telling them to fuck off) and forced a trade with the Yankee gambit you mentioned.

[johnk5150]

lmfao @ andrew leaf!

If Luck actually DOES bust...remember you heard that line here first!

Kid won't bust. Once Indy shores up their defense, solidifies their O-Line and develops a running back that isn't simply average he'll be decent.

Colts defense sucks.

[johnk5150]

Art Schlister and Jeff George were awesome picks in this mold.

To be fair, they picked Elway too...but that didn't work out.

I thought Elway told the Colts not to pick him. Didn't he threaten to play baseball or something if they did? Pretty sure he had a deal ready to be signed with the Yankees if the Colts took him.

He was drafted (despite telling them to fuck off) and forced a trade with the Yankee gambit you mentioned.

So the Colts got SOMETHING out of it? If I were their GM I'd have never drafted him.

[poizond13]

I love how Levy fawns over every article supporting his butt buddy, even if it's by a no-name unheard of reporter. Yet when anything is posted that he disagrees with, the writer is a hack and knows nothing.

[Facedown]

I love how I fawn over every article supporting my butt buddy, even if it's by a no-name unheard of reporter. Yet when anything is posted that I disagree with, the writer is a hack and knows nothing.

[poizond13]

I fail to see where all the RG3 hype comes from. He threw for under 200 yards last week, with one touchdown and one pick. Josh Freeman had a much better day, so did Brandon Weeden. 13 attempts?! Right now he has the numbers of a game manager. The numbers don't support the praise he's getting by some. That will all come crashing down relatively soon.

[Crazy Levi]

I fail to see where all the RG3 hype comes from. He threw for under 200 yards last week, with one touchdown and one pick. Josh Freeman had a much better day, so did Brandon Weeden. The numbers don't support the praise he's getting by some. That will all come crashing down relatively soon.

You are looking at the wrong numbers, boy. It ain't all about numbers...yeah, Andrew Leaf throws for 250 yards because he's throwing almost FIFTY times a game and completing a pathetic, Sanchez-like 54 percent of his passes. Wow, impressive.

Some relevant numbers that explain why everybody is swooning over RG3:

Two. As in two interceptions all season. Pretty sure Andrew Leaf threw that many in his first game.

70. As in 70 percent - leading the league in completion percentage.

100.5 - RG3's near perfect passer rating. He's #3 in the NFL. Andrew Leaf is 30

Yards Per Attempt - 8.34 - that's #2 in the entire NFL!!!

And so on...I won't even get into the record-breaking rushing numbers because I know how much they upset you.

Colts whiffed on the biggest decision in franchise history.

RG3 > Andrew Leaf

[poizond13]

I fail to see where all the RG3 hype comes from. He threw for under 200 yards last week, with one touchdown and one pick. Josh Freeman had a much better day, so did Brandon Weeden. The numbers don't support the praise he's getting by some. That will all come crashing down relatively soon.

You are looking at the wrong numbers, boy. It ain't all about numbers...yeah, Andrew Leaf throws for 250 yards because he's throwing almost FIFTY times a game and completing half his passes. Wow, impressive.

Two. As in two interceptions all season. Pretty sure Andrew Leaf threw that many in his first game.

70. As in 70 percent - leading the league in completion percentage.

And so on...I won't even get into the record-breaking rushing numbers because I know how much they upset you.

Colts whiffed on the biggest decision in franchise history.

RG3 > Andrew Leaf

So now you are OPENLY comparing Andrew Luck to Ryan Leaf?

I'd love to know what your basis is for that comparison, if I didn't already know you're just trolling.

Clearly, based on his number of attempts, the Skins don't trust RG3 and out to do that much. He's a game manager at this point. His main job is to hand the ball off and run the ball himself. He's found some success with that in the short term, but it won't last, it never does. On the other hand, the Colts are asking Luck to go out and win games. That's why his attempts are sky high. He's not a game manager. His yards and touchdowns far surpass that of RG3 and out, despite playing one less game. Luck is a throw first passer that can take off and run when needed. RG3 and out is a run first QB who can make great plays on his feet, but has not proven he can do so with his arm.

Luck>RG3 and out

[Crazy Levi]

Even P13 can't believe the bullshit he just typed. I'll leave it at that.

[poizond13]

Even P13 can't believe the bullshit he just typed. I'll leave it at that.

I certainly believe it more than you believe Andrew Luck should be compared to Ryan Leaf.

[Crazy Levi]

Even P13 can't believe the bullshit he just typed. I'll leave it at that.

I certainly believe it more than you believe Andrew Luck should be compared to Ryan Leaf.

When did I say I believe he should be compared to Ryan Leaf?

Isn't it enough that I just think it's funny changing his name?

Don't let it get to you.

[poizond13]

Even P13 can't believe the bullshit he just typed. I'll leave it at that.

I certainly believe it more than you believe Andrew Luck should be compared to Ryan Leaf.

When did I say I believe he should be compared to Ryan Leaf?

Isn't it enough that I just think it's funny changing his name?

Don't let it get to you.

Believe me, nothing you have ever typed has "gotten to me," hoss.

By changing his name you effectively compared Luck to Leaf, thus proving your lack of knowledge regarding anything football related. Add to that the fact that you laugh at and enjoy player injuries, and that makes you a terrible football fan.

[Crazy Levi]

You effectively compared RG3 to JaMarcus Russell.

Thus proving your lack of knowledge regarding anything football related. Add to that the fact that you laugh at and enjoy player injuries, and that makes you a terrible football fan.

[bane]

You effectively compared RG3 to JaMarcus Russell.

Thus proving your lack of knowledge regarding anything football related. Add to that the fact that you laugh at and enjoy player injuries, and that makes you a terrible football fan.

Russell and RG3 are both black high draft picks that played their college ball in the South. Luck and Leaf are both white high draft picks that played their college ball on the west coast. The similarities are spooky!

[Crazy Levi]

You effectively compared RG3 to JaMarcus Russell.

Thus proving your lack of knowledge regarding anything football related. Add to that the fact that you laugh at and enjoy player injuries, and that makes you a terrible football fan.

Russell and RG3 are both black high draft picks that played their college ball in the South. Luck and Leaf are both white high draft picks that played their college ball on the west coast. The similarities are spooky!

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Therefore, the Andrew Leaf moniker is perfectly appropriate.

Also, Luck and Leaf both started their NFL careers by turning the ball over with frightening regularity.

They are practically twins!

But I'm not comparing them or anything.

[poizond13]

You effectively compared RG3 to JaMarcus Russell.

Thus proving your lack of knowledge regarding anything football related. Add to that the fact that you laugh at and enjoy player injuries, and that makes you a terrible football fan.

Russell and RG3 are both black high draft picks that played their college ball in the South. Luck and Leaf are both white high draft picks that played their college ball on the west coast. The similarities are spooky!

You have yet to explain why you wished injury on Peyton Manning last year.

[bane]

You have yet to explain why you're such a raging douchebag.

[Crazy Levi]

Both of you have yet to explain why RG3 is developing faster than Andrew Leaf.

Is it because he's smarter? A better athlete? Or is the Skins' coaching staff superior?

At this point - to these eyes - it appears to be all three.

Sending a fucking rookie out there to throw 55 passes a game...they are gonna wreck the poor lad.

[bane]

Neither of you have yet to explain why RG3 is developing faster than Andrew Leaf.

Is it because he's smarter? A better athlete? Or is the Skins' coaching staff superior?

At this point - to these eyes - it appears to be all three.

I'm going with all of the above.

[Machado]

You have yet to explain why you're such a raging douchebag.

That is a post I want to read!