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[killeverything]

reports are the nats are in the running for cliff lee. from what i read earlier, the nats are willing to give lee a 7 yr deal.
what is going on in washington???

There is no way in hell Lee signs there. The guy is coming off a World Series loss. I doubt he wants to go to a team, that he'll never get another chance to be in the World Series.

Check this out: God I wish it was true.

And the Oscar goes to ... Adrian Gonzalez?

Posted on: December 6, 2010 8:35 pm

Not only did the Red Sox acquire a three-time All-Star and a two-time Gold Glove winner in Adrian Gonzalez, they also acquired a pretty good actor.

How's this for a nice-to-meet-ya:

While Gonzalez was in Boston for his physical examination over the weekend, he was at dinner Friday night with some Red Sox executives when, from across the restaurant, came a familiar face to greet him.

It just so happened that Sox outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury was having dinner in the same restaurant.

Ellsbury approached the Red Sox table and congratulated Gonzalez on coming to Boston.

Without missing a beat, Gonzalez smiled, accepted the congratulations -- and then congratulated Ellsbury.

"And my place is going to be open, so if you need a place to stay in San Diego, let me know," Gonzalez deadpanned to Ellsbury.

According to a Padres executive, who had been briefed by their Red Sox counterparts, Ellsbury momentarily froze ... before he was assured that no, he was not headed west to San Diego as part of the trade.

Everyone was said to have gotten a big laugh -- including Ellsbury.

And then, presumably, Gonzalez, who is expected to receive a seven-year deal worth $23 or $24 million a year sometime around Opening Day ... picked up the check? No official confirmation on that part of the evening.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... a_txt_0001

Soon Jacoby. Soon motherfucker.

[johnk5150]

Laughing like crazy at the Werth to DC deal. They wouldn't pay Adam Dunn, but they'll give that guy SEVEN years? Good move.

Laugh at that one, but the Cubs just gave a .196 hitter a lot of dough.

[SkyDog112046]

reports are the nats are in the running for cliff lee. from what i read earlier, the nats are willing to give lee a 7 yr deal.
what is going on in washington???

There is no way in hell Lee signs there. The guy is coming off a World Series loss. I doubt he wants to go to a team, that he'll never get another chance to be in the World Series.

Check this out: God I wish it was true.

And the Oscar goes to ... Adrian Gonzalez?

Posted on: December 6, 2010 8:35 pm

Not only did the Red Sox acquire a three-time All-Star and a two-time Gold Glove winner in Adrian Gonzalez, they also acquired a pretty good actor.

How's this for a nice-to-meet-ya:

While Gonzalez was in Boston for his physical examination over the weekend, he was at dinner Friday night with some Red Sox executives when, from across the restaurant, came a familiar face to greet him.

It just so happened that Sox outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury was having dinner in the same restaurant.

Ellsbury approached the Red Sox table and congratulated Gonzalez on coming to Boston.

Without missing a beat, Gonzalez smiled, accepted the congratulations -- and then congratulated Ellsbury.

"And my place is going to be open, so if you need a place to stay in San Diego, let me know," Gonzalez deadpanned to Ellsbury.

According to a Padres executive, who had been briefed by their Red Sox counterparts, Ellsbury momentarily froze ... before he was assured that no, he was not headed west to San Diego as part of the trade.

Everyone was said to have gotten a big laugh -- including Ellsbury.

And then, presumably, Gonzalez, who is expected to receive a seven-year deal worth $23 or $24 million a year sometime around Opening Day ... picked up the check? No official confirmation on that part of the evening.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entr ... a_txt_0001

Soon Jacoby. Soon motherfucker.

The story locally is that San Diego wanted a package of Ellsbury, Kelly, and Rizzo. Theo refused to part with Ellsbury, which is either because he thinks he will be a big part of the team in 2011 or he is planning on including him in a future deal. I think it's just that Ellsbury is a "Theo guy" so he doesn't want to trade him.

[johnk5150]

Konerko just signed with the Sox. Nice 1-2 punch.

[Facedown]

A mystery team has offered Cliff Lee a 7 year deal.

[Facedown]

Carlos Pena agrees to 1yr/10mil deal with Cubs.

[johnk5150]

Carlos Pena agrees to 1yr/10mil deal with Cubs.

A million bones per 20 BA points. Ladies and gentlemen, your 2010 Cubs!

At least Byrd is the word.

[Facedown]

A mystery team has offered Cliff Lee a 7 year deal.

and apparently it wasn't the Yankees. Seems they are offering a 6yr deal worth between 140-150mil.

[WOLF]

A mystery team has offered Cliff Lee a 7 year deal.

and apparently it wasn't the Yankees. Seems they are offering a 6yr deal worth between 140-150mil.

My local radio station said it's the Nationals (the ex-Expos).

[WOLF]

Congrats to Dave Van Horne who's made it to the Broadcaster's Wing of the Hall of Fame. He was the original voice of the Expos, up to just before their demise (when he moved on to Florida) and an integral part of my youth. I couldn't be happier!


COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- Dave Van Horne is the winner of the 2011 Ford C. Frick Award for excellence in baseball broadcasting.

He has spent the last 42 seasons calling play-by-play action for the Montreal Expos and the Florida Marlins.

The award is presented annually by the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum.

Van Horne, who will be honoured during Hall of Fame Weekend in July, is the first Expos broadcaster to win the Frick Award.

The Easton, Pa., native is the second Frick Award winner to have called games for a Canadian team.

The other is Tony Kubek, who broadcast games for the Toronto Blue Jays and was honoured in 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFX92ALqxlk

[Machado]

Congrats to Dave Van Horne who's made it to the Broadcaster's Wing of the Hall of Fame. He was the original voice of the Expos, up to just before their demise (when he moved on to Florida) and an integral part of my youth. I couldn't be happier!


COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- Dave Van Horne is the winner of the 2011 Ford C. Frick Award for excellence in baseball broadcasting.

He has spent the last 42 seasons calling play-by-play action for the Montreal Expos and the Florida Marlins.

The award is presented annually by the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum.

Van Horne, who will be honoured during Hall of Fame Weekend in July, is the first Expos broadcaster to win the Frick Award.

The Easton, Pa., native is the second Frick Award winner to have called games for a Canadian team.

The other is Tony Kubek, who broadcast games for the Toronto Blue Jays and was honoured in 2009.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFX92ALqxlk

On the flip side, when will Bill King be elected to the HOF????

[killeverything]

Carlos Pena agrees to 1yr/10mil deal with Cubs.

A million bones per 20 BA points. Ladies and gentlemen, your 2010 Cubs!

At least Byrd is the word.

I think Pena is primed for a bounce back year. I know Boston was kicking the tires on him.

A mystery team has offered Cliff Lee a 7 year deal.

and apparently it wasn't the Yankees. Seems they are offering a 6yr deal worth between 140-150mil.

My local radio station said it's the Nationals (the ex-Expos).

That's what I thought. I know that he said if the years were right ( meaning 7 ), he'd like to stay in Texas.

The story locally is that San Diego wanted a package of Ellsbury, Kelly, and Rizzo. Theo refused to part with Ellsbury, which is either because he thinks he will be a big part of the team in 2011 or he is planning on including him in a future deal. I think it's just that Ellsbury is a "Theo guy" so he doesn't want to trade him.

Has to be. That or he said to Francona his ribs still hurt, so maybe Theo thinks it's unwise ( or ethical ) to move an injured player.

[Lardbucket]

Konerko just signed with the Sox. Nice 1-2 punch.

Yep, and at basically the same salary as his last deal.
The best part about Konerko re-upping is it keeps Dunn away from 1B most of the time.

[Machado]

Cashman has publicly admitted to making an offer to Cliff Lee.
No details of the offer were given.

Time to wait and wait and wait some more for Lee and his agent to decide where the guy wants to pitch for the next several years.

[MurrayFiend]

If Lee goes to the Skankees, I'm done with baseball.

[JakeYonkel]

If Lee goes to the Skankees, I'm done with baseball.

I'm sure baseball will miss you.

[SkyDog112046]

If Lee goes to the Skankees, I'm done with baseball.

Yeah, hopefully he will stay with Texas. It sucks to see one team snag the top free agents year after year.

[MurrayFiend]

If Lee goes to the Skankees, I'm done with baseball.

I'm sure baseball will miss you.

At least I'll still have my impressively shitty music collection.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Carl Crawford is a Red Sock. 7 years, 142 million. Fucker's making money! Thank Fuck he didn't go to the MFY. Your thoughts, kill?

Oh yeah, throwing in my congrats to Dave Van Horne!

[tin00can]

Sad times on angelswin.com right now, most people think Moreno and Reagins suck because the Angels didn't get Crawford.

Fuck, man...seven years is a long time in baseball. I wanted Crawford on the Angels but that contract is a huge pill.

[Facedown]

After the Gonzo signing, I NEVER saw this one coming.
Not sure if I like it.

[Facedown]

Yankees have now upped their offer to Cliff Lee to 7 years as a result of the Crawford signing.

[Machado]

Yankees have now upped their offer to Cliff Lee to 7 years as a result of the Crawford signing.

mr crawford made out like a champ.
7 yrs is a joke. i also say that knowing the Yankees have offered Lee the same 7 yrs.
c'mon, the players seem to have the upper hand when it comes to free agency.
5 yrs is more than enough. 7 is ridiculous.
i heard Kruk on ESPN earlier this week saying he would not offer Strasburg a 7 yr deal, let alone a player Lee's age. made sense to me.

either crawford decided playing with the angels was a bad idea or he went with the team that offered him the most money.

[killeverything]

Carl Crawford is a Red Sock. 7 years, 142 million. Fucker's making money! Thank Fuck he didn't go to the MFY. Your thoughts, kill?

Oh yeah, throwing in my congrats to Dave Van Horne!

I'm not sure yet.

I've always liked Crawford and his play, but he's 29. You don't give long contracts to players who's primary elite skill is speed.

They over-paid, but it does instantly improve the team. Even if it makes it very LHH heavy. Dave Cameron wrote this on fangraphs that makes me more optimistic.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... more-36281


Some way. Some how. I'm gonna find a way to make a joke about NY buying everyone up every year.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Goddamn it. Tom Morrison, father of the Marlins' Logan Morrison, lost his battle with cancer last night. My thoughts and prayers go out to Logan and his family. I'm glad he got to see his son play in the big leagues before he passed. Man, fuck cancer.

[JakeYonkel]

I said it a page or two ago.. just not crazy about Crawford at all. Contract is ABSURD. He's not a $20M/year player.

As Kill said, for a guy whose main gift is speed... this could messy by the end. He's a decent hitter for average... no power at all. And his defense is probably wasted in LF at Fenway.

Bit of a head-scratcher. They wouldn't pay Matt Holliday, but they'll throw $140M at a rich man's Brett Gardner?

[killeverything]

I said it a page or two ago.. just not crazy about Crawford at all. Contract is ABSURD. He's not a $20M/year player.

As Kill said, for a guy whose main gift is speed... this could messy by the end. He's a decent hitter for average... no power at all. And his defense is probably wasted in LF at Fenway.

Bit of a head-scratcher. They wouldn't pay Matt Holliday, but they'll throw $140M at a rich man's Brett Gardner?

I think statistically speaking, Crawford is projected to develop power later in his career. So that's maybe why they went the length they did.

There is a lot of upside. His career OPS @ Fenway is .708 and it's the place he's played the most aside from Trop.

I think the Holliday negotiations stalled ( because he's represented by Boras ), and if you remember his ill-fated AL attempt with Oakland. I wanted no part of him in the AL East, no matter how talented he is, he just doesn't seem to have the headspace to handle it. He coulda been Renteria 2.0

[SkyDog112046]

Part of the thing with Crawford is you have to look at how he fits into the Sox's lineup. He will probably hit 20 HR and 90 RBI's with an average around .310 and he is a grinder type hitter that will help wear down pitchers when batting between Pedroia and Youk. And adding speed on the base paths will be a nice bonus. He is also a good defender in left which will come in handy on the road.

Look at the front end of this lineup:
Pedroia
Crawford
Youk
Gonzalez
Ortiz
Drew
Lowerey
Saltalamacchia
Ellsbury

And in later innings if Ellsbury and Crawford get on base at the same time, look out.

Add that to
Lester
Buchholz
Beckett (if healthy)
Lackey
Dice-K
Wakefield(bullpen/#6 starter)

and finish off with
Bard
Papelbon

And the team looks good. All they need is a lefty setup guy and a couple of relievers and this team should be pretty formidable.

[Machado]

I said it a page or two ago.. just not crazy about Crawford at all. Contract is ABSURD. He's not a $20M/year player.

As Kill said, for a guy whose main gift is speed... this could messy by the end. He's a decent hitter for average... no power at all. And his defense is probably wasted in LF at Fenway.

Bit of a head-scratcher. They wouldn't pay Matt Holliday, but they'll throw $140M at a rich man's Brett Gardner?

This is the year for so called "elite free agents" to make some serious $$
I also don't think he is a $20M player, but that is what it took to secure him.
Same goes for Cliff Lee. At his age, he should not be making $20M either, but that's what it may take to secure him as well.

[killeverything]

I said it a page or two ago.. just not crazy about Crawford at all. Contract is ABSURD. He's not a $20M/year player.

As Kill said, for a guy whose main gift is speed... this could messy by the end. He's a decent hitter for average... no power at all. And his defense is probably wasted in LF at Fenway.

Bit of a head-scratcher. They wouldn't pay Matt Holliday, but they'll throw $140M at a rich man's Brett Gardner?

This is the year for so called "elite free agents" to make some serious $$
I also don't think he is a $20M player, but that is what it took to secure him.
Same goes for Cliff Lee. At his age, he should not be making $20M either, but that's what it may take to secure him as well.

Cliff Lee is the epitome of elite. 7 years given his age and the fact he's a pitcher is risky, but a pitcher of his caliber as an unrestricted FA? Cliff Lee will get paid and deservedly so? It's the contract length that's risky, even if his mechanics don't look prone to injury.