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FullDJacket wrote:^ Honestrly I don't think a lot of people care about Sting. If this was Hogan or some of the top guys in the WWE media would be all over it. It might a clique of vocal fans that love Sting. I don't know.
My opinion?

If it was worked right, it would be huge, especially if it was used alongside some sort of DVD highlighting Sting's career. Perhaps introduce the "WCW Legends" series of DVDs to coincide with the Road to WrestleMania in Atlanta.

Here's how I would have booked this angle, assuming Sting and WWE came to terms on a legends-type contract (similar to Diesel, something allowing a match every now and then but not extensive touring):

1. As soon as the WrestleMania promos were being hyped, start airing some sort of WCW legends DVD set. Introduce the Undertaker's return earlier than 2/21/11, perhaps after the Royal Rumble. Keep airing interviews with him, saying that he's accomplished everything in his career, but that he keeps having this nightmare. Each week, he reveals a bit of the nightmare, building up the illusion of Sting. He says he's focused on Wade Barrett, and that his nightmare can wait.

2. During Undertaker's celebration at WrestleMania, the lights cut out and a spotlight roams the arena, remaining fixated on the rafters. All of a sudden, Sting is visable to the crowd and points his bat at Undertaker. WrestleMania closes with unanswered questions, building up hype for live programming the following week. On Raw, it is announced that Sting will arrive at Smackdown to confront the Undertaker. As Smackdown unfolds, Undertaker calls out Sting, who remains in the rafters yet somehow alludes to a match at the next pay per view. In the upcoming weeks, Undertaker becomes unhinged, frightened by his nightmare and the visions of Sting. Allow Undertaker to turn into a complete monster, destroying everything in his path out of fear. Finally, before the pay per view, have Undertaker announce that his match with Sting will be a casket match so that he can put his fears to bed.

3. BRING BACK THE BACKLASH PAY PER VIEW. Nothing captured the aftermath quite like Backlash, and this is the time to get rid of another gimmick show. Allow Undertaker to gain an upperhand in the match until Paul Bearer misfires in an attempt to bring the Undertaker into solace, giving Sting the chance to capitalize on the match and close the casket on Undertaker. Soon after, Kane appears and locks Sting in the casket as well, sending the casket and both men into a fire. Both men disappear, leaving everyone to question whether or not Undertaker was able to put his nightmare at rest.

I haven't developed anything past this point, but I think neither Undertaker or Sting would appear for months, at least until Hell in a Cell when they confront each other again.
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On a side note - caught TNA live yesterday in Richmond. I have to say I was pretty impressed and the entire roster was highly accessible and friendly to everyone.

As nutty as the Hardys come off - they were super nice guys and took time with everyone and told them how they appreciated everyone coming out. I was pretty surprised after everything in the news about them lately...

I did get a pic with Mick Foley - that was pretty cool.
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Why Sting Explains why he didnt go to the WWE .
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Sting stay away you dont get what WWE is. I hope Vince never gives him a legends contract

Gillberg shoud appear at Mania as S.T.I.N.K with a toy r us bat swinging at everyone
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LAglamrocker wrote:Sting stay away you dont get what WWE is. I hope Vince never gives him a legends contract

Gillberg shoud appear at Mania as S.T.I.N.K with a toy r us bat swinging at everyone
Jesus, that would be funny. :lol:
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I think Sting just fucked up by going with TNA.
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ozzyrulz777 wrote:I think Sting just fucked up by going with TNA.
The timing was perfect for a WWE debut - even if it wasn't a full time schedule. Sign 'em to a few matches, get him the DVD/merch deal, and let him retire on top.
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There was way too much talking/promos tonight. Every 5 minutes somebody was talking. The Rock kinda lost the crowd there for a bit, but I am still happy to see him back. If this doesnt end in a match I will be scratching my head
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The Rock was way too long nearly completely boring.
(and he's not going to wrestle!)

Just pointless at most parts of his promo.

He ended it by calling Cena a bitch on the politically correct PG13 after prime time kiddie show Raw, so I laughed.



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The Rocks interview was great it felt "real"

damn Buffalo got raped, 1st sellout in awhile

Raw
Cena beat Riley cage
Bourne wins over Sheamus..very short not even a match
Divas Battle Royal..short lame
Orton vs jobber

but lots of interviews

HHH
Cole
Rock
HBK
bad night in Buffalo
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They're setting up a heel turn for Cena...or so I hope.

I think Vince realized the only way to build true heat on Cena was to bring in a HUGE fan favorite - and Rocky fits that bill.

Personally, I'd love to see Rock beat the crap out of Cena at WM27.
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Raw dropped from 3.9 to 3.8

The Sting IMPACT is huge
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Am I the only one who reads this thread....

Who has always hated sting as the mental illness crow character brooding on the catwalk with his weak predictable moveset, sub par workrate, his stupid over-padded ring gear and his even stupider bat?
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*raises hand*

I've always thought Sting was overrated. But then 'Taker is overrated as well. I still think him and Trips can pull off a great match, but it's not gonna compare to Taker/HBK of the last 2 years...
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Monty610 wrote:*raises hand*

I've always thought Sting was overrated. But then 'Taker is overrated as well. I still think him and Trips can pull off a great match, but it's not gonna compare to Taker/HBK of the last 2 years...
Sting might not be everyone's favorite - but goddamn it, I'll take a Sting match over Cena/Orton anyday.
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i've always liked the crow gimmick but always said he was WAY over rated. he's a shitty worker. he has no skills.

i actually think undertaker might be under rated. his matches are always solid. moves great for a huge, old dead guy.
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Subhuman Yeti wrote:Am I the only one who reads this thread....

Who has always hated sting as the mental illness crow character brooding on the catwalk with his weak predictable moveset, sub par workrate, his stupid over-padded ring gear and his even stupider bat?
I fell off the Sting bandwagon way back when he went to the Crow ripoff. I miss the Ultimate Warrior wannabe makeup and the blond flat top. That's when Sting could wrestle.
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S.T.I.N.K why be at Wrestlemania in front of 70,000 and millions worldwide.

this was the right choice for you, glad you will never be in WWE loser fuck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jECN6WMOPg

tonight after he wins! 4th oldest champ ever. LOSER!!
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I think it'd be funny if Shawn Michaels came out in the Sting gear and trying to fool everyone during the HHH/Taker match. Would be classic DX.
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I'll take a Sting match over Cena/Orton anyday.

Ultimate Warrior wannabe makeup and the blond flat top. That's when Sting could wrestle.
I agree.
Better work rate, better promos/interviews, better angles/booking, actually entertaining matches

When he went crow and wasted a year stalking Hollywood Hogan from the rafters before the worst payoff match after a year-long build up angle ever.... his entire character/work rate just turned to shit.

He has never recovered.

He really should have went back to the Stinger after further burying the stupid crow after his first few months in tna.
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Subhuman Yeti wrote:
I'll take a Sting match over Cena/Orton anyday.

Ultimate Warrior wannabe makeup and the blond flat top. That's when Sting could wrestle.
I agree.
Better work rate, better promos/interviews, better angles/booking, actually entertaining matches

When he went crow and wasted a year stalking Hollywood Hogan from the rafters before the worst payoff match after a year-long build up angle ever.... his entire character/work rate just turned to shit.

He has never recovered.

He really should have went back to the Stinger after further burying the stupid crow after his first few months in tna.
I think the "Crow" angle should have ended once his feud with Hogan ended in WCW. Wolfpac Sting should have remained, even if the nWo was a clusterfuck at the end of WCW's tenure. I liked that Sting. He came out, kicked ass, and that was it. No hiding in the dark, just calling guys out and winning.
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I went to RAW in Buffalo this week. It was a legit sell out. I think many people were expecting The Rock to be there live. I have a bunch of pics from the show if anyone is interested.

It seems to me they are building towards Rock/Cena at SummerSlam in LA this year. Maybe Rock will cost Cena his match vs. Miz since everyone is expecting Cena to go over. Del Rio will probably beat Edge so maybe Taker/HHH will close the show?
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Seeing HHH referred to as "Trips" makes me wanna stab someone! Stop it! haha
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Seeing HHH referred to as "Trips" makes me wanna stab someone!

Unless it's referring to "...and then HHH trips on the icy walkway and eats shit".
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Subhuman Yeti wrote:
Seeing HHH referred to as "Trips" makes me wanna stab someone!

Unless it's referring to "...and then HHH trips on the icy walkway and eats shit".
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They're setting up a heel turn for Cena...or so I hope.

Vince does dumbass things ( A LOT ) but I don't see him purposely risking the chance of losing that giant chunk of Cena's merch sales from the cash-bleeding WWE by making him go heel.



I think the Rock and Cena will continue to verbally spar for months after WM, whether the Rock costs him the title or not and Vince will probably drag this angle to Summer Slam easily, more likely Survivor Series and as a face vs face angle.


Rock can't go heel, the crowd won't buy it and the kids buying Cena purple or orange merch won't keep their extra cash flowing if Cena attempted to go heel at this point.
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Subhuman Yeti wrote:
They're setting up a heel turn for Cena...or so I hope.

Vince does dumbass things ( A LOT ) but I don't see him purposely risking the chance of losing that giant chunk of Cena's merch sales from the cash-bleeding WWE by making him go heel.



I think the Rock and Cena will continue to verbally spar for months after WM, whether the Rock costs him the title or not and Vince will probably drag this angle to Summer Slam easily, more likely Survivor Series and as a face vs face angle.


Rock can't go heel, the crowd won't buy it and the kids buying Cena purple or orange merch won't keep their extra cash flowing if Cena attempted to go heel at this point.
Yeti - a serious question, as you seem to be just as critical as I am of the WWE's current product.

How much longer do you see them milking the Cena cash cow? To me, the audience overall (or at least the verbal part) seems to collectively groan anytime Cena is involved in ANYTHING. Orton is the one that seems to be more "over" with the audience as a whole, so I could buy them trying to shove him to the top.

How do you think they'll (eventually, or hopefully...) turn Cena? I personally thought that The Rock was brought in to help plant the seeds of it, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.
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On a side note - regardless what you may think of Sting, Jeff Hardy looked like the 52 year old man in that match tonight. Yikes.

Seems like they're reaching for a "combo" Sting - I see parts of each of his past gimmicks in his return tonight.
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How much longer do you see them milking the Cena cash cow?

For every last drop. Some of the crowd groans, but Vince just makes up for a less Cena sales with all of his other moderately expensive things sold to the groaners.
I saw several groups of fans on the last RAW wearing just bought Nexus shirts. New shirts, old Nexus.

Those groups of teens probably groan during Cena's promos and entrances but then pop for his finishes and then probably buy a Cena shirt and some other fruity crap for their sister back home.


And good guy or bad guy (like he was at first as a rapper) WWE faithful fans tend to buy every PPV and DVD to watch the present stars win or lose.
I'd bet some Cena haters collect WWE DVDs of the matches he gets his ass kicked during and/or gets hurt in.
:lol:


Vince scores either way as long as Cena is still shoved in the WWE public's faces. Face or heel, liked or hated.


I just don't see the WWE actually wanting to turn Cena heel, for whatever reason.

He does sell a lot of face merch being a goody goody movie star wanna-be Marine always smiling like he's mental role model stiff blue collar pole up his ass face character. I'm kinda surprised Vince hasn't made him even more cop-like, now that I think about it.


And Cena really hasn't reached Hulk Hogan overblown proportions like Hogan when his previous decades of shoved down every living persons throat planet-wide finally caught up to him in WCW.
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Subhuman Yeti wrote:
How much longer do you see them milking the Cena cash cow?

For every last drop. Some of the crowd groans, but Vince just makes up for a less Cena sales with all of his other moderately expensive things sold to the groaners.
I saw several groups of fans on the last RAW wearing just bought Nexus shirts. New shirts, old Nexus.

Those groups of teens probably groan during Cena's promos and entrances but then pop for his finishes and then probably buy a Cena shirt and some other fruity crap for their sister back home.


And good guy or bad guy (like he was at first as a rapper) WWE faithful fans tend to buy every PPV and DVD to watch the present stars win or lose.
I'd bet some Cena haters collect WWE DVDs of the matches he gets his ass kicked during and/or gets hurt in.
:lol:


Vince scores either way as long as Cena is still shoved in the WWE public's faces. Face or heel, liked or hated.


I just don't see the WWE actually wanting to turn Cena heel, for whatever reason.

He does sell a lot of face merch being a goody goody movie star wanna-be Marine always smiling like he's mental role model stiff blue collar pole up his ass face character. I'm kinda surprised Vince hasn't made him even more cop-like, now that I think about it.


And Cena really hasn't reached Hulk Hogan overblown proportions like Hogan when his previous decades of shoved down every living persons throat planet-wide finally caught up to him in WCW.
Interesting aspect that Vince is hanging on to the guys buying merch/DVDs just to spite Cena.

I really think that Cena should have a new character, even if he remains a face. Something like a "hulked up" militant version of himself - maybe they should have done more with the "Chain Gang" slogan years back.

I think Cena is one of their hardest workers, but as a fan who has watched him since his beginning, he's grown stale. My brother even stated that his gimmick has grown old, even mentioning a heel turn would make him interesting again (and he hasn't watched in years...until the other night). Regardless, Cena needs a new character direction and perhaps part of the reason he seems stale is that his promo skills are cheesy. Keep him quiet, like Orton, and just have him increase his intensity. That way, he tones town his goofiness and can still remain a favorite.

But what the hell do I know - the WWE manages to fuck up a good thing.
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