The NFL Thread

[demolition23]

Luck started great, but RG3 has gained on him hugely.

LAST 4 Games:

Luck: 1291 yds (really good) 5tds (mediocre) 5 (bad)
RG3: 903 yds (solid) 9tds (good) 1 int (excellent)

If the Skins get close to the playoffs and/or Luck doesn't finish strong I'd say RG3 has a solid shot at it.

He's gotten himself back in the race. But when Luck gets the Colts into the playoffs, and RG3 gets the Skins to where they've always been, the gutter...that will be all she wrote.

Quite possibly. I'm not convinced that getting in as a wild card that didn't contend for the division, should matter that much, but a better record certainly would.

[bane]

Luck started great, but RG3 has gained on him hugely.

LAST 4 Games:

Luck: 1291 yds (really good) 5tds (mediocre) 5 (bad)
RG3: 903 yds (solid) 9tds (good) 1 int (excellent)

If the Skins get close to the playoffs and/or Luck doesn't finish strong I'd say RG3 has a solid shot at it.

He's gotten himself back in the race. But when Luck gets the Colts into the playoffs, and RG3 gets the Skins to where they've always been, the gutter...that will be all she wrote.

Quite possibly. I'm not convinced that getting in as a wild card that didn't contend for the division, should matter that much, but a better record certainly would.

The Colts are far from a play off lock. If they get in, Luck probably does have the edge for ROTY, but there's a pretty big disparity between RG3's QBR of 104 and Luck's 77. Luck has thrown for more yards, but RG3 throws more touchdowns and is far more efficient.

[poizond13]

The Colts are far from a play off lock. If they get in, Luck probably does have the edge for ROTY, but there's a pretty big disparity between RG3's QBR of 104 and Luck's 77. Luck has thrown for more yards, but RG3 throws more touchdowns and is far more efficient.

I still go back to total QBR, the most comprehensive stat there is for a QB. After this game, RG3 has moved up to a pretty impressive #5 on the list. However, Luck still tops him, coming in at #3, behind only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

[demolition23]

The Colts are far from a play off lock. If they get in, Luck probably does have the edge for ROTY, but there's a pretty big disparity between RG3's QBR of 104 and Luck's 77. Luck has thrown for more yards, but RG3 throws more touchdowns and is far more efficient.

I still go back to total QBR, the most comprehensive stat there is for a QB. After this game, RG3 has moved up to a pretty impressive #5 on the list. However, Luck still tops him, coming in at #3, behind only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

Problem with any of those types of ratings, is they never capture everything perfectly. They're elaborate ways to quantify a range of disparate stats in one number. Interesting to discuss, but I don't think that they are what should ever drive voting for any sort of award.

Yards, TDs, INTS, rushing, and wins - all weighed up on a case-by-case basis.

That's where it all really hangs.


The biggest thing in Luck's favour all other things being equal is that the Colts were abysmal last year and they're at least solid this year. Now, he's not the only reason for that, but he's a big part of it.

[Tymaster]

The Colts are far from a play off lock. If they get in, Luck probably does have the edge for ROTY, but there's a pretty big disparity between RG3's QBR of 104 and Luck's 77. Luck has thrown for more yards, but RG3 throws more touchdowns and is far more efficient.

I still go back to totally sucking cock, the most comprehensive way there is for me to show a guy my love. I never played this game, not in junior high, not in high school and hell I was too dumb for college, but I sucked cock. The punter, the placeholder, the kicker; that's where I started. Eventually I was sucking the starting varsity QB's cock! Then I sucked all the cocks in the county. That's how I rated 'em! None of 'em hold a candle to Bret's candle.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

You don't say.

[bigbuttskinner]

Dallas is such a mystery. I don't get it. They should be this and that, but they're not. At this point, I say they're done.

Meanwhile, the Patriots killed the Jets hahaha.

[eddie lee roth]

In today's NFL where nobody is exempt from being cut during the off-season (Peyton, Vick very shortly, etc.) what the hell kind of contract did Sanchez get, to where all the talking heads are saying well the Jets are stuck with him I just don't understand this one.

[SkyDog112046]

The biggest thing in Luck's favour all other things being equal is that the Colts were abysmal last year and they're at least solid this year. Now, he's not the only reason for that, but he's a big part of it.

I think what you meant to say is that it is now apparent that Indy was tanking games last year to get Luck, so he is going to benefit by the seemingly big improvement the Colts appear to have made since last year.


And now watch P13's head explode...wait for it...

[tin00can]

In retrospect, my pick for the Jets to pull off the upset of the week this week was kinda silly.

[NeverSurrender]

Dallas is such a mystery. I don't get it. They should be this and that, but they're not. At this point, I say they're done.

What mystery? Every year the media pretends they're good, and they never are.

Meathead, and troll13, just play nice, and be thankful Jim Schwartz isn't coaching your team.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

Dallas is such a mystery. I don't get it. They should be this and that, but they're not. At this point, I say they're done.

What mystery? Every year the media pretends their good, and they never are.

Meathead, and troll13, just play nice, and be thankful Jim Schwartz isn't coaching your team.

Or Andy Reid.

[johnk5150]

QBR was invented by the booyah network. QBR is automatically disqualified as a measurable statistic because they have rights to NFL football. Fuck the booyahs and their 'stat'.

[NeverSurrender]

Dallas is such a mystery. I don't get it. They should be this and that, but they're not. At this point, I say they're done.

What mystery? Every year the media pretends their good, and they never are.

Meathead, and troll13, just play nice, and be thankful Jim Schwartz isn't coaching your team.

Or Andy Reid.

Sorry, Andy is done in Philly, but he is ten times the coach that arrogant fuck is. The best part was I thought that the reason him and Harbaugh hated each other was Harbaugh did the same thing last season and Schwartz was laughing at him on the sideline for not knowing the rule.

[WTF]

Yesterday I was thankful that yet another team gave the game to the Patriots. The Colts hopefully have started a fine tradition that will continue for the rest of the season.

[NeverSurrender]

QBR was invented by the booyah network. QBR is automatically disqualified as a measurable statistic because they have rights to NFL football. Fuck the booyahs and their 'stat'.

Booyah and puss13 are the only people who talk about this stat.

[chungasrevenge]

[WTF]

[AliceManson]

In retrospect, my pick for the Jets to pull off the upset of the week this week was kinda silly.

[Kerry King's Pentagram]

I saw that dude on the live broadcast and thought "WHY? What the fuck were you thinking?". Bet he wished he hadn't bothered once the game was over. Great showing by the Pats. Some of those touchdowns were insane!

[WTF]

Bet he wished he hadn't bothered once the game was over. Great showing by the Pats. Some of those touchdowns were insane!

I bet he wished he hadn't bothered by the end of the 2nd quarter. I almost never gloat about a Patriots win, but I fucking hate the Jets.

[bane]

Problem with any of those types of ratings, is they never capture everything perfectly. They're elaborate ways to quantify a range of disparate stats in one number. Interesting to discuss, but I don't think that they are what should ever drive voting for any sort of award.

Yards, TDs, INTS, rushing, and wins - all weighed up on a case-by-case basis.

That's where it all really hangs.


The biggest thing in Luck's favour all other things being equal is that the Colts were abysmal last year and they're at least solid this year. Now, he's not the only reason for that, but he's a big part of it.

Luck: 2900 YDs, 12 TDs, 12 INTs, 57% completion, 22 sacks, 6 wins

RG3: 2500 YDs, 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 67% completion, 26 sacks, 5 wins

The Colts are benefitting from a 4th place schedule and a weak division. I think voters will take that into account when looking at their improvement over last season, but a playoff berth will make a big difference.

RG3 has played one more game, so results are skewed, but I don't see anything there that says Luck is clearly better than RG3.

[Crazy Levi]

Luck: 2900 YDs, 12 TDs, 12 INTs, 57% completion, 22 sacks, 6 wins

RG3: 2500 YDs, 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 67% completion, 26 sacks, 5 wins

These numbers show how much more impressive RG3 has been. It's not even close.

And what's that Excuses13 said about Rg3 taking too many sacks?

Err...ok...he's played one more game than Andrew Leaf and only has 4 more.

That TD-INT ratio of Leaf is absolutely abysmal in comparison, as is his completion rate.

I don't think the voters are gonna be fooled by a playoff berth with that cupcake schedule.

Why the fuck has Excuses13 all got us talking playoffs anyway?

Cue Jim Mora's playoff rant. I love that everybody just assumes the Colts are going to the playoffs.

Would be just as ridiculous for me to assume that the Redskins will win the division title, since there's a good chance first place will be at stake when they host the Giants next week.

[bane]

Luck: 2900 YDs, 12 TDs, 12 INTs, 57% completion, 22 sacks, 6 wins

RG3: 2500 YDs, 16 TDs, 4 INTs, 67% completion, 26 sacks, 5 wins

These numbers show how much more impressive RG3 has been. It's not even close.

And what's that Excuses13 said about Rg3 taking too many sacks?

Err...ok...he's played one more game than Andrew Leaf and only has 4 more.

That TD-INT ratio of Leaf is absolutely abysmal in comparison, as is his completion rate.

I don't think the voters are gonna be fooled by a playoff berth with that cupcake schedule.

Why the fuck has Excuses13 all got us talking playoffs anyway?

Cue Jim Mora's playoff rant. I love that everybody just assumes the Colts are going to the playoffs.

Would be just as ridiculous for me to assume that the Redskins will win the division title, since there's a good chance first place will be at stake when they host the Giants next week.

I don't know if it is conclusive either way. Luck has a LOT more yards when you factor in one less game. He could easily put up 400 Sunday and be up 800 on RG3, but there's no way that Luck is clearly better either.

[Crazy Levi]

Luck has a LOT more yards when you factor in one less game. He could easily put up 400 Sunday and be up 800 on RG3, but there's no way that Luck is clearly better either.

Yards are the ONLY number where he has an edge, and that ain't a compliment to Leaf.

He's throwing 50-60 fucking passes a week, missing almost half of them, and throwing a very unhealthy amount of INTs. Before the Patriots game, I predicted he'd throw 55%. Of course I was wrong...he threw 54.4 %. Well, I can't be exactly on the dot EVERY time.

His yards per attempt are significantly lower than RG3 - almost 2 yards. Yards per attempt is a HUGE stat, and it's yet another one where RG3 is far superior.

Efficiency matters. Look at Romo - he just threw for his 3rd 400 + yard game last night. He's never won one of them. Plus, Rg3 doesn't have to soak his battered elbow in a tub of ice after every game.

[bane]

Luck has a LOT more yards when you factor in one less game. He could easily put up 400 Sunday and be up 800 on RG3, but there's no way that Luck is clearly better either.

Yards are the ONLY number where he has an edge, and that ain't a compliment to Leaf.

He's throwing 50-60 fucking passes a week, missing almost half of them, and throwing a very unhealthy amount of INTs. Before the Patriots game, I predicted he'd throw 55%. Of course I was wrong...he threw 54.4 %. Well, I can't be exactly on the dot EVERY time.

His yards per attempt are significantly lower than RG3 - almost 2 yards. Yards per attempt is a HUGE stat, and it's yet another one where RG3 is far superior.

Efficiency matters. Look at Romo - he just threw for his 3rd 400 + yard game last night. He's never won one of them. Plus, Rg3 doesn't have to soak his battered elbow in a tub of ice after every game.

Sure efficiency matters, but total yards are the one stat everybody looks to first. It's like sacks for defenders. JJ Watt has had a much larger overall impact than Aldon Smith, but Smith has more sacks so he'll get more run. I'm not saying its fair, but that's just how it is.

[Crazy Levi]

Sure efficiency matters, but total yards are the one stat everybody looks to first.

I'm pretty sure TDs and INTs count too.

[bane]

Sure efficiency matters, but total yards are the one stat everybody looks to first.

I'm pretty sure TDs and INTs count too.

They do, which is why RG3 is still in the debate.

[poizond13]

Luck has a LOT more yards when you factor in one less game. He could easily put up 400 Sunday and be up 800 on RG3, but there's no way that Luck is clearly better either.

Yards are the ONLY number where he has an edge, and that ain't a compliment to Leaf.

He's throwing 50-60 fucking passes a week, missing almost half of them, and throwing a very unhealthy amount of INTs. Before the Patriots game, I predicted he'd throw 55%. Of course I was wrong...he threw 54.4 %. Well, I can't be exactly on the dot EVERY time.

His yards per attempt are significantly lower than RG3 - almost 2 yards. Yards per attempt is a HUGE stat, and it's yet another one where RG3 is far superior.

Efficiency matters. Look at Romo - he just threw for his 3rd 400 + yard game last night. He's never won one of them. Plus, Rg3 doesn't have to soak his battered elbow in a tub of ice after every game.

Levy, you've clearly proven you cannot judge the two players with an unbiased perspective, because you have Griffith III's balls in your mouth. I've never seen anyone worship one man in such a homosexual manner.

Look at how many more yards Luck has, with one less game under his belt. Look at the system in which he's running. Luck is already running a complex offense, with the ability to audible at the line of scrimmage, and run a no huddle at times. The Redskins have implemented a simple and easy system for Griffith because he simply doesn't have the mental capacity to call plays yet. That's OK, he's a rookie, and not everyone is Andrew Luck.

I look at the facts. The Skins are primarily a rushing team. They don't throw the ball a whole lot. RG3 makes about 1/4 of his plays on foot. The Colts are a passing team. They are relying on Luck to win them games, and they have a better record than the Redskins. It's that simple.

[poizond13]

I don't think the voters are gonna be fooled by a playoff berth with that cupcake schedule.

Levy, your excuses aren't going to mean much to voters and non-biased observers. The Colts were predicted to win 2-4 games this year. The fact that Luck has already won six games and has the Colts in the playoff hunt won't be overlooked by the voters. Your excuses mean nothing.

[WTF]

The Redskins have implemented a simple and easy system for Griffith because he simply doesn't have the mental capacity to call plays yet.

Now I know you are trolling. Griffin graduated in three years with a 3.67 GPA. Dean's List twice. During his final year of eligibility, he was studying for a Master's degree in communications.