Let the ROY voting begin

[bane]

Should Doug Martin be considered? While his team imploded(Josh Freeman looked great for about half the year). He had 1,454 yards a 4.6 avg. and only lost one fumble. He can also catch, 49 receptions 472 yards. Oh yeah 11 rushing touchdowns. While I would probably still pick RG III or Luck over him, I think he should be at least mentioned.

Fuck, that is a great first season. He kinda went right under my radar, but those would be legit RoY numbers in another year for sure. 23 touches for 120 yards a game. Nice. Looks like a solid #31 pick, that's for sure.

Great numbers for sure, but he doesn't really compare to the 4 guys above him in the voting. 2012 had a damn good rookie class.

[Crazy Levi]

[eddie lee roth]

Does this mean he'll be a white QB from here on out?

[Crazy Levi]

Does this mean he'll be a white QB from here on out?

A cornball brother for sure!

[SkyDog112046]

This is gonna be pretty funny When RG3 hits the field and starts playing well again, I have no doubt that. Culpepper tore his shit up and was never the same but didn't have the heart RG3 has, that kid is gonna work his ass off rehabbing and be just fine. He just needs to slide, thats it, His one real flaw is one You really want Your players to have He's too damn competative for his own good, but thats also whats gonna get him through this.

He ripped up an ACL in 2009. He won a Heisman in 2011. That kid will be just fine. Hopefully this serves as a smack in the face for his coach who will insist that he take less risks because of this, but I have no doubt that Griffin will be a pro bowl QB many, many more times before he 's done.

He reminds me of Steve Young, and I wouldn't be surprised if his career followed that kind of track. I think he will be successful, put up good numbers, and win a bunch of games but I don't see him being a starter in this league for 10+ years because he will absorb a pounding until he stops running. Young had 5 great years until the hits caught up with him and then he fought injuries for a few years, came back and put up a couple of decent seasons and then the concussions ended his career. I think that effect gets magnified now that the defenders are bigger.

[bane]

This is gonna be pretty funny When RG3 hits the field and starts playing well again, I have no doubt that. Culpepper tore his shit up and was never the same but didn't have the heart RG3 has, that kid is gonna work his ass off rehabbing and be just fine. He just needs to slide, thats it, His one real flaw is one You really want Your players to have He's too damn competative for his own good, but thats also whats gonna get him through this.

He ripped up an ACL in 2009. He won a Heisman in 2011. That kid will be just fine. Hopefully this serves as a smack in the face for his coach who will insist that he take less risks because of this, but I have no doubt that Griffin will be a pro bowl QB many, many more times before he 's done.

He reminds me of Steve Young, and I wouldn't be surprised if his career followed that kind of track. I think he will be successful, put up good numbers, and win a bunch of games but I don't see him being a starter in this league for 10+ years because he will absorb a pounding until he stops running. Young had 5 great years until the hits caught up with him and then he fought injuries for a few years, came back and put up a couple of decent seasons and then the concussions ended his career. I think that effect gets magnified now that the defenders are bigger.

You also have to factor in how long Young sat behind Montana before he took over as well as his pre Niners. The hits played a role for sure, but so did age. Young was almost 40 when he hung it up.

[SkyDog112046]

You also have to factor in how long Young sat behind Montana before he took over as well as his pre Niners. The hits played a role for sure, but so did age. Young was almost 40 when he hung it up.

If I remember correctly it was the concussions that finally caused Young to retire. The scrambling QBs usually have shorter careers. Other than Tarkenton, who played against 220 lb d-linemen, 200 lb linebackers and 180 lb d-backs, it's hard to find running QB's who have had a long careers as starters. I just think Griffin will need to give up a bit of his running game to stay healthy long-term. He can still use his legs to extend plays and take off when the lanes are there, but he will need to throw the football away more or give himself up by sliding at the end of his runs instead of trying to pick up the extra few yards to keep himself healthy for 16 games.

[bane]

You also have to factor in how long Young sat behind Montana before he took over as well as his pre Niners. The hits played a role for sure, but so did age. Young was almost 40 when he hung it up.

If I remember correctly it was the concussions that finally caused Young to retire. The scrambling QBs usually have shorter careers. Other than Tarkenton, who played against 220 lb d-linemen, 200 lb linebackers and 180 lb d-backs, it's hard to find running QB's who have had a long careers as starters. I just think Griffin will need to give up a bit of his running game to stay healthy long-term. He can still use his legs to extend plays and take off when the lanes are there, but he will need to throw the football away more or give himself up by sliding at the end of his runs instead of trying to pick up the extra few yards to keep himself healthy for 16 games.

I agree that Griffin will have to change his game. My point was that using Yoing's perceived short career is a bad example because his career really wasn't all that short.

[Crazy Levi]

Congrats to RG3 - Sporting News NFL Rookie of the Year.

But hey...I wouldn't worry Gregg, I'm sure none of the Sporting News guys have a vote in the official contest...just like none of the AP Writers/Pro Football Weekly guys.

This thing is fucking over. Gregg is gonna lose and have a ridiculous sig until September. Which means he'll pull a Cantstop and vanish. Either way, we all win.


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2 ... nfl-awards

[poizond13]

The ultimate irony is that Levy bragged about RGTebow making the pro bowl like there was no tomorrow. Now RGTebow is not enough going to be in the game.... but Andrew Luck is. Pwned.

It's cool to see Luck out there in Hawaii along with Reggie and Robert Mathis. Interesting to see him interacting with Peyton Manning and all the other veterans out there. It's certainly an experience he'll be able to learn from.

[Facedown]

Now RGTebow is not enough going to be in the game

English, troll.

[dtmfs]

The ultimate irony is that Levy bragged about RGTebow making the pro bowl like there was no tomorrow. Now RGTebow is not enough going to be in the game.... but Andrew Luck is. Pwned.

It's cool to see Luck out there in Hawaii along with Reggie and Robert Mathis. Interesting to see him interacting with Peyton Manning and all the other veterans out there. It's certainly an experience he'll be able to learn from.

LMAO, Dude is excited about Luck going because Brady dosent want to, This is like rain man bragging about the pity kiss Cruises chick gave him in the elevator

RG3= First rookie since Dan Marino in 1983 to be NAMED to the pro bowl.

Andrew George= just another last minute replacement.

[Crazy Levi]

Now RGTebow is not enough going to be in the game....
.

Eloquent as always.

There's only one thing that matters here and you know it.

Rookie of the Year.

RG3 is gonna win it. Luck is gonna lose it. RG3 WON Pro Bowl honors because he had a better season than Luck. Nobody actually gives a fuck who PLAYS in it. It's a meaningless exhibition that nobody likes or watches - though I suppose you might be the only loser in America glued to the TV because golden boy was given a charity consolation prize.

Keep pretending there is still some fight left in you. It's cute but we all know that even YOU know it's over.

You turned tail and ran like a pussy when I mentioned that I've taken measures to ensure you don't welch.

Your bitch ass is beaten, defeated, and defiled. Much like what's happening to Andrew Leaf in your new sig

[poizond13]

There's only one thing that matters here and you know it.

Rookie of the Year.

ROY doesn't mean shit. It was a bet for bragging rights, and that is the only significance of this award to me. No one outside of this board cares about ROY, and that most likely includes Luck and RGTebow. Well, maybe RG cares because he knows it's the only award he'll ever have a shot at winning.

But yes, ROY is a meaningless award. No one cares who has won the award in the past. It's never mentioned as a noted past accomplishment for anyone. The important thing here is that Luck is clearly the better player now and going forward. Just like Aaron Rodgers said, RGT's gimmicky style of offense is not going to last in this league. Just like the wildcat, it'll be gone soon, and so will RGT with his noodle knee.

[Crazy Levi]

There's only one thing that matters here and you know it.

Rookie of the Year.

ROY doesn't mean shit. It was a bet for bragging rights, and that is the only significance of this award to me. No one outside of this board cares about ROY, and that most likely includes Luck and RGTebow. Well, maybe RG cares because he knows it's the only award he'll ever have a shot at winning.

But yes, ROY is a meaningless award. No one cares who has won the award in the past. It's never mentioned as a noted past accomplishment for anyone. The important thing here is that Luck is clearly the better player now and going forward. Just like Aaron Rodgers said, RGT's gimmicky style of offense is not going to last in this league. Just like the wildcat, it'll be gone soon, and so will RGT with his noodle knee.

So, long story short.

After MONTHS of talking shit about how Andrew Leaf is gonna beat RG3 for Rookie of the Year...MONTHS of endless article posting, smack-talk, and literally thousands of words that YOU typed hyping up Andrew Leaf as Rookie of the Year...

and now you don't care about it.

So are you finally conceding defeat? Cause if you were backpedaling any harder you could generate enough juice to power the tiny midwestern shithole town you live in.

[poizond13]

I concede Luck probably won't win it. It will probably be Wilson or RGT. Writers are supposedly mesmerized by RGT's high completion percentage, despite the fact that he barely threw any passes or yards, and the Skins led the league in simple two man routes. Oh well, I've given up caring. Let RGT win it, as a consolation prize for his knee. We both know he's not going to last in the NFL and the Skins are fucked, long term. ROY is a meaningless award, you know it and I know it.

This sig bet doesn't mean shit to me either. If I lose, I'll simply turn off the option for viewing sigs, and never think about it again.

[Crazy Levi]

I concede Luck probably won't win it.:

Really?!?!?!

How is that possible?

For months you've been saying otherwise. You've quoted the great John Clayton. The great Herm Edwards. Literally dozens of pundits, scribes, and bloggers.

And now suddenly you see the light?

Did you ever actually believe it? Or does it just take a while for reality to set in in Greggland?

Seriously, I'm stunned.

[poizond13]

See Levy, unlike you, I see things exactly for what they are. I don't have a vote in the ROY, so I have to look at what the voters are saying. And you can ask just about any Colts fan, and they will tell you, we don't care if Luck wins it. We're 100% happy knowing we have an elite franchise QB on our team, not a guy who STILL hasn't proven he can run a professional offense, still hasn't proven he can stay healthy, still hasn't proven he can read defenses, and still has serious questions as to whether or not he can ever play again.

As for the ROY award, does anyone really care or even know that Peyton Manning did not win the award? Or Tom Brady? NOPE. Although I do remember Bears fans going crazy in 2001 when Anthony Thomas won it.

That's the TRUTH boy.

[Crazy Levi]

The truth is that you were wrong. Again.

We told you all year long RG3 was having a more impressive year, and you were in complete denial.

Glad you don't care though. Kinda surprised considering the time and effort you put into convincing everybody else here they were wrong, but I guess we just misread you. Literally hundreds of posts where you claimed in some fashion or another that Andrew Leaf was gonna be rookie of the year kind of made it seem like you cared.

When you threatened to welch before backing down like a pussy when you realized it might get you banned it seemed like you cared.

Well, now that we got that out of the way, what thing that you don't care about are you betting on next year?

I hear you think the Texans won't repeat as division champs.

[poizond13]

I care about the fact that Luck did have a better year than RGT. Was I wrong about him winning the award? Probably. I mis-judged what's important to the voters. Evidently a high completion percentage is king, even if you're almost dead last in attempts and lead the league in simple 2 man routes.

As for next year's bet, I have an idea. How about this: Who will start more games, Luck or RGT?

[Crazy Levi]

I mis-judged what's important to the voters. Evidently a high completion percentage is king,

Gee, ya think? I only told you that FIVE THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES. What's your next genius revelation - that voters don't like interceptions?

Does this mean you'll be putting more stock in my opinions from now on? I mean, the whole point of this bet was to PROVE that you don't shit compared to me.

As for next year's bet, I have an idea.
:

I also have an idea: How about we just enjoy your new sig for the next seven months and then we'll go from there? I think I'll savor this for a while.

[poizond13]

Take the bet, pussy. What's the matter, you said RGT would be ready to start the season, right?

[dtmfs]

Love the constant excuse that RG3 will be awarded for his high pass%(a good thing), but no mention of his high QB rating, TD/INT ratio which was insane for a rookie, better stats across the board than George 2.0 save for yardage, most rushing yards by a rookie ever, 2nd rookie QB in history to be named to the pro bowl etc etc.





And still no mention of the major chink in Georges armor...Tons of turnovers, low pass %, just one spot above Ryan Tannehil(a converted WR) in QB rating which is towards the tail end of the league.

Homers are hilarious.

[Crazy Levi]

Take the bet, pussy. What's the matter, you said RGT would be ready to start the season, right?

Oh please, we are ALREADY starting this shit?

You haven't even LOST yet.



Fuck you. You've lost the right to call anybody a pussy by pre-welching, and then pussying out of THAT. I'm surprised the universe didn't implode upon itself with that kind of next-level, four-dimensional pussying.

Take your fucking medicine and we can talk bets next season.

[poizond13]

I've never welched. You WANT me to welch so badly that you're making shit up. When I follow this bet 100% it's gonna be like a stake into your heart. Your main goal of getting rid of me will also fail 100%, I guarantee it.

Now answer the question, are you scared RGT will miss starts next year?

[eddie lee roth]

I mis-judged what's important to the voters. Evidently a high completion percentage is king

That pretty much explains it all whenever somebody needs to know why everybody says you're a dumbass when it comes to football we can just point them to that, excellent job lil pp.

You know you owe Tom Brady a sucking too for letting your new boyfriend get to go to Hawaii.

[poizond13]

I mis-judged what's important to the voters. Evidently a high completion percentage is king

That pretty much explains it all whenever somebody needs to know why everybody says you're a dumbass when it comes to football we can just point them to that, excellent job lil pp.

You know you owe Tom Brady a sucking too for letting your new boyfriend get to go to Hawaii.

Go take your meds, psycho.

Games are not won on high completion percentage. While it's important to be accurate, it's not the most important stat. The proof of that is that even though Luck did have a lower completion percentage than RGT, he still led his team to more wins. Game managers often have high completion percentages, too. I would be willing to give RGT credit for his completion percentage if he also had a high number of attempts and yards. But he did not. His stats are commensurate with that of a game manager.

[Crazy Levi]

Now answer the question, are you scared RGT will miss starts next year?

Sure, wouldn't you be?

He just had his ACL fixed and god knows what else!

At this point I'd be happy if he misses his first four starts. I think Kirk Cousins can guide us to at least 2 wins during that time.

[eddie lee roth]

What's the matter lil pp you mad bro?

[Crazy Levi]

What's the matter lil pp you mad bro?

Nah, he ain't mad.

Turns out he couldn't care LESS about the Rookie of the Year thing, which is why he spent literally the ENTIRE SEASON posting daily about the ROY race.

Can you imagine if he actually DID care about it?! This site would have collapsed due to exceeding it's bandwidth.