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[killeverything]

In a move that I hope upstages the fuck out of Bud Selig's retirement tour. Derek Jeter announces retirement after 2014 season.

[Machado]

In a move that I hope upstages the fuck out of Bud Selig's retirement tour. Derek Jeter announces retirement after 2014 season.

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Amen to that!

Very happy with the announcement. The time has come for Jeter to retire.
Going to be a very, very interesting year for the Yankees.

[Cooperkill]

In a move that I hope upstages the fuck out of Bud Selig's retirement tour. Derek Jeter announces retirement after 2014 season.

If it's anything like Old Man Rivera's retirement, it's not only going to upstage Selig, but the game itself. Every stadium visit will be the last one, the All Star game will be the last one, the playoff loss will be the last one. This is going to get annoying in a hurry, but at least it'll be the last overhyped parade for a long time.

[Machado]

In a move that I hope upstages the fuck out of Bud Selig's retirement tour. Derek Jeter announces retirement after 2014 season.

If it's anything like Old Man Rivera's retirement, it's not only going to upstage Selig, but the game itself. Every stadium visit will be the last one, the All Star game will be the last one, the playoff loss will be the last one. This is going to get annoying in a hurry, but at least it'll be the last overhyped parade for a long time.

[killeverything]

In a move that I hope upstages the fuck out of Bud Selig's retirement tour. Derek Jeter announces retirement after 2014 season.

If it's anything like Old Man Rivera's retirement, it's not only going to upstage Selig, but the game itself. Every stadium visit will be the last one, the All Star game will be the last one, the playoff loss will be the last one. This is going to get annoying in a hurry, but at least it'll be the last overhyped parade for a long time.

It's already annoying. The problem as I see it is Rivera is the greatest of all time. Jeter is an all time great. There's a BIG difference.

*edit*

I was a little vicious about a player I highly respect. I can't hold the Godlike status the institution and media put on Jeter against him.

Kevin Millar said it best "Jeter is the player I told my son to model himself after." Word.

[UtahRatt]

Gincarlo Stanton open for an extension with FLA. Good God why?

No traffic on the way home?

[Machado]

ESPN 30 for 30 Short: "The Deal"
How ARod was very close to signing with RS in 2004
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10410371

Terrific story. Millar wanted ARod. Makes me laugh all these years ago.
Excellent 22+ minute short. I'm sure ESPN could produce an 8 part mini-series on this very subject.

[killeverything]

ESPN 30 for 30 Short: "The Deal"
How ARod was very close to signing with RS in 2004
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10410371

Terrific story. Millar wanted ARod. Makes me laugh all these years ago.
Excellent 22+ minute short. I'm sure ESPN could produce an 8 part mini-series on this very subject.

I haven't seen it yet. Do they discuss about the reason the MLBPA stepped in against the trade was because Steinbrenner told them they had to? That's the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. I wouldn't mind seeing how it's done.

It worked out perfect for both sides both trade pieces juiced their way to a WS, then the MFY got fucked and we know what happened to Boston. Schilling said after 2004 that they wouldn't have been able to do that if Arod was on the team. I believe it because Arod seems to have been hated on every team he's played for.

Speaking of which ( and I've said this before ), it will always blow my mind a team with Arod ( when he WAS the second coming ), Griffey Jr., Randy Johnson, Edgrrrrr Martinez and Jay Buhner never won the series. There is something Cubs-like bubbling in Seattle.

-see next post-

[Machado]

ESPN 30 for 30 Short: "The Deal"
How ARod was very close to signing with RS in 2004
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10410371

Terrific story. Millar wanted ARod. Makes me laugh all these years ago.
Excellent 22+ minute short. I'm sure ESPN could produce an 8 part mini-series on this very subject.

I haven't seen it yet. Do they discuss about the reason the MLBPA stepped in against the trade was because Steinbrenner told them they had to? That's the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. I wouldn't mind seeing how it's done.

It worked out perfect for both sides both trade pieces juiced their way to a WS, then the MFY got fucked and we know what happened to Boston. Schilling said after 2004 that they wouldn't have been able to do that if Arod was on the team. I believe it because Arod seems to have been hated on every team he's played for.

Speaking of which ( and I've said this before ), it will always blow my mind a team with Arod ( when he WAS the second coming ), Griffey Jr., Randy Johnson, Edgrrrrr Martinez and Jay Buhner never won the series. There is something Cubs-like bubbling in Seattle.

-see next post-

How and when the MLBPA stepped in was discussed in detail. I don't recall a mention of George in that situation.
John Hart did a lot of talking. So did Buster Olney and Cash.
Theo threw in some commentary here and there and so did Larry Lucchino.

[killeverything]

Hisashi Iwakuma is out 4-6 weekish maybe with a strained tendon in his middle finger from a freak accident. Could be two weeks, could be 4 months just wait and everyone's different.

Franklin Gutierrez opts to sit out the 2014 season when his health problems returned. It's not Franklin's fault he has some gastro-intestinal whatchamacallit. The dude was betrayed by his body. WTF? He was a burgeoning elite talent in CF.

So now Seattle is faced with Kuma out for an indeterminable amount of time, a need for a #3 ( Ubaldo! Please ), Jesus Montero who showed up for camp overweight because ( and I quote ) "After Winter League Ball ( which he destroyed ) I didn't do anything but eat", an OF defense that still needs upgrading and a GM incapable of accomplishing any of it.

Fuck.

*edit*
Typos

*edit* #3
Franklin Gutierrez voluntarily went on the restricted list so Seattle wouldn't be on the hook for his 1m contract. That's cool as hell and shows a lot of class.
Maybe it's an aftershock of Jeter's retirement announcement...a wave of class will sweep through MLB. Think about it Arod's out for the year and maybe someone will finally put a fastball in Puig's jaw. 2014 The Year Of Class.

[killeverything]

ESPN 30 for 30 Short: "The Deal"
How ARod was very close to signing with RS in 2004
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10410371

Terrific story. Millar wanted ARod. Makes me laugh all these years ago.
Excellent 22+ minute short. I'm sure ESPN could produce an 8 part mini-series on this very subject.

I haven't seen it yet. Do they discuss about the reason the MLBPA stepped in against the trade was because Steinbrenner told them they had to? That's the meat and potatoes of the whole thing. I wouldn't mind seeing how it's done.

It worked out perfect for both sides both trade pieces juiced their way to a WS, then the MFY got fucked and we know what happened to Boston. Schilling said after 2004 that they wouldn't have been able to do that if Arod was on the team. I believe it because Arod seems to have been hated on every team he's played for.

Speaking of which ( and I've said this before ), it will always blow my mind a team with Arod ( when he WAS the second coming ), Griffey Jr., Randy Johnson, Edgrrrrr Martinez and Jay Buhner never won the series. There is something Cubs-like bubbling in Seattle.

-see next post-

How and when the MLBPA stepped in was discussed in detail. I don't recall a mention of George in that situation.
John Hart did a lot of talking. So did Buster Olney and Cash.
Theo threw in some commentary here and there and so did Larry Lucchino.

That's how I always heard it and I'm almost certain it was Donald Fehr who said it. It might be kind of like the collusion handshake agreement between Clemens and Toronto. 3yrs with the promise that they will trade him to NY after 2.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

Former player/manager Jim Fregosi passed away after suffering multiple strokes during a Carribbean cruise. It took a special kind of guy to manage that 1993 Phillies WS team - I think he succeeded because he was as batshit crazy as the rest of them.

[killeverything]

Mark Mulder's comeback is over before it began. He ruptured his achillies doing agility drills.

[killeverything]

Atlanta locks up Craig Kimbrel 4/42 with potential for 5/58.

Ryan Dempster announces he won't pitch 2014. Taking the year off for health/family/potential retirement. Boston won't be on the hook for his 13.25. Under the collective bargaining agreement they can claim him on the restricted list meaning a player fails to report on a timely fashion, while retaining player rights if they return. It's exactly what Franklin Gutierrez and Seattle did.

[killeverything]

Ubaldo Jiminez and Baltimore agree to 4/48 deal.

If Ubaldo got 4 @12 per I expect someone to erroneously break the bank for Ervin Santana.

[killeverything]

Nelson Cruz inks 1/8m deal with Baltimore.

That's a reasonable deal and considerably less than the qualifying offer he turned down. He's projected at about 1.5-2WAR and 8 mill is about the going rate. So now Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew might sign for less too.

I'm glad Cruz isn't in Seattle. It was funny to see the venom coming from the fanbase and sports media about him potentially landing there.

[Machado]

Nelson Cruz inks 1/8m deal with Baltimore.

That's a reasonable deal and considerably less than the qualifying offer he turned down. He's projected at about 1.5-2WAR and 8 mill is about the going rate. So now Kendrys Morales and Stephen Drew might sign for less too.

I'm glad Cruz isn't in Seattle. It was funny to see the venom coming from the fanbase and sports media about him potentially landing there.

Add him to the list of "cheaters" who continue to make a generous living playing baseball.
What is the deterrent again for these players not to "cheat"???

Bud Selig-What a guy!!!
How is that farewell tour coming along Bud?

[Machado]

took this off a Yankees blog. can't say I agree with the rule change. collisions at the plate are part of the game and this rule change will only lead to more controversy between the umpires and the players. a recipe for disaster.

A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate). If, in the judgment of the Umpire, a runner attempting to score initiates contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) in such a manner, the Umpire shall declare the runner out (even if the player covering home plate loses possession of the ball).

· Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the Umpire, the catcher, without possession of the ball, blocks the pathway of the runner, the Umpire shall call or signal the runner safe.


OFFICIAL BASEBALL RULE 7.13
COLLISIONS AT HOME PLATE

(1) A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate). If, in the judgment of the Umpire, a runner attempting to score initiates contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) in such a manner, the Umpire shall declare the runner out (even if the player covering home plate loses possession of the ball). In such circumstances, the Umpire shall call the ball dead, and all other base runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the collision.

Rule 7.13 Comment: The failure by the runner to make an effort to touch the plate, the runner’s lowering of the shoulder, or the runner’s pushing through with his hands, elbows or arms, would support a determination that the runner deviated from the pathway in order to initiate contact with the catcher in violation of Rule 7.13. If the runner slides into the plate in an appropriate manner, he shall not be adjudged to have violated Rule 7.13. A slide shall be deemed appropriate, in the case of a feet first slide, if the runner’s buttocks and legs should hit the ground before contact with the catcher. In the case of a head first slide, a runner shall be deemed to have slid appropriately if his body should hit the ground before contact with the catcher.

(2) Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the Umpire, the catcher without possession of the ball blocks the pathway of the runner, the Umpire shall call or signal the runner safe. Notwithstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 7.13 if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in order to field a throw, and the Umpire determines that the catcher could not have fielded the ball without blocking the pathway of the runner and that contact with the runner was unavoidable.

[killeverything]

The Leigh Valley Iron Pigs a AAA affiliate of the Phillies have an alternate cap with bacon on it. Awesome.

USA USA USA!

[killeverything]

MFY extend Gardner on a 4/52 deal.

In an effort to surpass a trillion dollar payroll in disguise of complete GM ineptitude Cashman and the MFY heavily linked to Stephen Drew.

Texas Rangers and Ron "Jimmie Walker" Washington agree to extension through 2015. Dyno-mite!

[UtahRatt]

took this off a Yankees blog. can't say I agree with the rule change. collisions at the plate are part of the game and this rule change will only lead to more controversy between the umpires and the players. a recipe for disaster.

Agreed.
For fuck sake. God I hate money, sports and the stupid pussy rules it creates.

What ball I did play was 90% behind the plate. I loved the collisions. What I didn't like is when the runner dives at your knee.

[killeverything]

took this off a Yankees blog. can't say I agree with the rule change. collisions at the plate are part of the game and this rule change will only lead to more controversy between the umpires and the players. a recipe for disaster.

Agreed.
For fuck sake. God I hate money, sports and the stupid pussy rules it creates.

What ball I did play was 90% behind the plate. I loved the collisions. What I didn't like is when the runner dives at your knee.

A large reason for the rule change ( not Buster Posey's collision as previously presumed ) is all the fallout from the NFL concussions and....well liability.

I disagree with the rule and frankly I don't think I understand it. How come no one is protecting the IF when rounding second? If Jeter got hurt they would shut down the AL.

[Machado]

took this off a Yankees blog. can't say I agree with the rule change. collisions at the plate are part of the game and this rule change will only lead to more controversy between the umpires and the players. a recipe for disaster.

Agreed.
For fuck sake. God I hate money, sports and the stupid pussy rules it creates.

What ball I did play was 90% behind the plate. I loved the collisions. What I didn't like is when the runner dives at your knee.

A large reason for the rule change ( not Buster Posey's collision as previously presumed ) is all the fallout from the NFL concussions and....well liability.

I disagree with the rule and frankly I don't think I understand it. How come no one is protecting the IF when rounding second? If Jeter got hurt they would shut down the AL.

Of course you had to make a Yankees reference.
There is a small amount of protection for the IF with the "in the neighborhood" rule at 2nd base. Then again how many times during the season is there an argument/disagreement at 2nd base when the umpire calls a runner safe/out.
The time is takes for the manager to argue is probably more time than instant replay would need to get the call correct.

[killeverything]

A lot of catchers stated foul tips hitting the facemasks is a bigger threat for concussions.

Josh Hamilton on crutches for a strained calf muscle.

[WOLF]

Fantasy League?

Let's play ball!

[tin00can]

A lot of catchers stated foul tips hitting the facemasks is a bigger threat for concussions.

Josh Hamilton on crutches for a strained calf muscle.

And CJ WIlson got hit in the noggin with a line drive. Ah, spring.

[killeverything]

Buster Posey is apparently satisfied with the mlb catcher collision rules.


http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2014/02/2 ... ource=t.co

[McGuirk]

Fantasy League?

Let's play ball!

Wondering about this, too, for obvious reasons.

[UtahRatt]

Buster Posey is apparently satisfied with the mlb catcher collision rules.


http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2014/02/2 ... ource=t.co

Joe Torre is against it.

Torre: Total ban on collisions futile
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10517 ... -realistic

Joe Torre says Major League Baseball's playing rules committee leaned toward banning all home plate collisions but concluded it would be unrealistic because contact between catchers and baserunners is sometimes unavoidable.

Torre said when it came to the collisions rule, he had to "put the uniform back on" because there is never a perfect play at the plate and throws can make contact unavoidable. Any rule change for 2014 required approval from the players' union, which negotiated under new head Tony Clark.

"The players' association had their concerns, too, based on the fact that catchers' ... instincts is telling them to do certain things," Torre said. "Tony Clark's concern was it would have been tough to get them use to a new rule in a short period of time. I think we both agreed on the fact we want to eliminate the vicious hit."

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In reality, how many collisions are there at the plate in a year per catcher? The risk is higher driving your car, accidents at home or working on a production line. Now catchers saying facemask fouls is more of a risk is absolutely 100 times more of a factor....Try and fix that issue.

Foul balls are an out!

[killeverything]

Buster Posey is apparently satisfied with the mlb catcher collision rules.


http://blog.sfgate.com/giants/2014/02/2 ... ource=t.co

Joe Torre is against it.

Torre: Total ban on collisions futile
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10517 ... -realistic

Joe Torre says Major League Baseball's playing rules committee leaned toward banning all home plate collisions but concluded it would be unrealistic because contact between catchers and baserunners is sometimes unavoidable.

Torre said when it came to the collisions rule, he had to "put the uniform back on" because there is never a perfect play at the plate and throws can make contact unavoidable. Any rule change for 2014 required approval from the players' union, which negotiated under new head Tony Clark.

"The players' association had their concerns, too, based on the fact that catchers' ... instincts is telling them to do certain things," Torre said. "Tony Clark's concern was it would have been tough to get them use to a new rule in a short period of time. I think we both agreed on the fact we want to eliminate the vicious hit."

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In reality, how many collisions are there at the plate in a year per catcher? The risk is higher driving your car, accidents at home or working on a production line. Now catchers saying facemask fouls is more of a risk is absolutely 100 times more of a factor....Try and fix that issue.

Foul balls are an out!

I haven't read too much into what the new rules are, I just know I'm against the vaginization of the game. Everybody's in armor now, etc. Like when Barry Balco would wear the giant elbow guard so he could crowd the plate without fear. Bullshit.

Under the new rules ( according to Torre ) "Cousins would have been out, disciplined" for his hit on Posey. That sucked, but I really don't believe Cousins was trying to cripple him.

With the new rules in place think of when Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier and started stealing home ( a common occurrence in the Negroe Leagues ). How would that have worked? Would that have worked? "He's stealing home! Give him a safe basepath and be careful." Fuckoff.

This is one of the biggest plays in WS history. Too close to 100% tell. Yogi say's he got him, but tie goes to the runner:


Think of this epic fucking shot: