The NFL Thread

[johnk5150]

Last game attendance at Mile High. Only 34 unused tickets.

[Crazy Levi]

Last game attendance at Mile High. Only 34 unused tickets.

Yeah and they'll be booing Manning in the playoffs again just like last season. Awesome fans.

[johnk5150]

Last game attendance at Mile High. Only 34 unused tickets.

Yeah and they'll be booing Manning in the playoffs again just like last season. Awesome fans.

Only 34 unused tickets has to be close to a record for any pro game doesn't it? With 4 people to a vehicle you'd think there'd be at least 8.5 cars that had trouble. I can't count how many times I've seen hundreds of fans at a tailgate that were too drunk to even go into the stadium. 34 is a freakishly low number for a place that holds 65K.

[UtahRatt]

That's hall of famer Jim Kelly, one of the ten best quarterbacks to play the game.

Losing in the super bowl is not the equivalent of not getting there. You are constantly finding new ways to sound retarded.

Machado thinks football and baseball is an individual sport like tennis or golf.

If Troy Akiman played for the Browns no one would remember his name and he'd lasted 5 years. Aikman was a little bit better of a QB then an announcer and he sucks as an announcer. RB Kevin Williams has two rings with Dallas for total of 8 yards does that make him great? Akiman is Trent Dilfer on a much better team.

Troy Aikman TD record season is 23TD's with 14INT. His highest TD years: 23tds, 19tds, 17tds, 16tds. Vinny Testaverde had a much better career!


Dallas beat, Neil O'Donnell, Frank Reich and Jim Kelly.
Troy's stats add up to Trent Dilfers and Trent's all but forgotten.

Super Bowls, including the beat down of Frank Rich and the Bills 9 Turn Overs.

Troy Fakeman
207yds 0td 1INT
206yds 1td
273yds 4tds Bills had 9 turn overs, 4 INT's 5 FUMBLES

Trent Dilfer
153yds 1td

If winning the super bowl equals greatness then Larry Brown should be in the hall of fame. He had a shit career but 3 rings and one good game in his life where all he had to do is catch balls thrown to him.

Troy Aikman HOF stats are so below average to look at they make Kordell Stewart look good.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

[eddie lee roth]

I have it on good authority that Troy Aikman is a gay. Machado how does that make you feel about him now?

[Crazy Levi]

That's a good point. It's pretty common knowledge he's gay, right?

[eddie lee roth]

That's a good point. It's pretty common knowledge he's gay, right?

Oh yeah everybody around these parts know all about it. Troy was being sexually abused by both Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer found out about it since he already knew the real Troy Aikman from back in his college years.

Barry promised to keep things hush hush but he wanted to be the coach since he never had been in the NFL. Jones of course fired Johnson and hired Barry and the rest is history.

Troy thought he was going to do like he did in college and just move on to another team but Barry told him hold on there you closeted cocksucker you're not going anywhere.

Of course this all explains all the bad blood there's been with Jimmy and Troy towards Barry.

Jerry's a big lush who sticks his dick in anything so he doesn't really care I think it's the Arkansas upbringing that he shares with Barry who doesn't really give a damn one way or another what somebody does in their private life.

He just saw an opening to coach a few more years and get a SB ring too so he took it.

[Machado]

I have it on good authority that Troy Aikman is a gay. Machado how does that make you feel about him now?

I don't care. Troy's lifestyle has nothing to do with me. And takes nothing away from his NFL career.

[Bludegeon]

That's a good point. It's pretty common knowledge he's gay, right?

Oh yeah everybody around these parts know all about it. Troy was being sexually abused by both Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer found out about it since he already knew the real Troy Aikman from back in his college years.

Barry promised to keep things hush hush but he wanted to be the coach since he never had been in the NFL. Jones of course fired Johnson and hired Barry and the rest is history.

Troy thought he was going to do like he did in college and just move on to another team but Barry told him hold on there you closeted cocksucker you're not going anywhere.

Of course this all explains all the bad blood there's been with Jimmy and Troy towards Barry.

Jerry's a big lush who sticks his dick in anything so he doesn't really care I think it's the Arkansas upbringing that he shares with Barry who doesn't really give a damn one way or another what somebody does in their private life.

He just saw an opening to coach a few more years and get a SB ring too so he took it.

Damn, man, it was like you were there.. You were, weren't you? Troy and the Lush, as well as the coaches touched you funny didn't they.? hahaha

[Machado]

That's a good point. It's pretty common knowledge he's gay, right?

Oh yeah everybody around these parts know all about it. Troy was being sexually abused by both Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer found out about it since he already knew the real Troy Aikman from back in his college years.

Barry promised to keep things hush hush but he wanted to be the coach since he never had been in the NFL. Jones of course fired Johnson and hired Barry and the rest is history.

Troy thought he was going to do like he did in college and just move on to another team but Barry told him hold on there you closeted cocksucker you're not going anywhere.

Of course this all explains all the bad blood there's been with Jimmy and Troy towards Barry.

Jerry's a big lush who sticks his dick in anything so he doesn't really care I think it's the Arkansas upbringing that he shares with Barry who doesn't really give a damn one way or another what somebody does in their private life.

He just saw an opening to coach a few more years and get a SB ring too so he took it.

Damn, man, it was like you were there.. You were, weren't you? Troy and the Lush, as well as the coaches touched you funny didn't they.? hahaha

Eddie was there
Hey Eddie, when you played the role of the Center and hiked the ball to Troy, was "OMAHA" your safe word

Who really cares about his sexual preference? I guess Eddie does and it was his very weak attempt at a burn for Dallas fans from the Aikman era

[eddie lee roth]

It wasn't meant to be a burn at all to the Dallas fans I'm just retelling a 100% true story. I didn't even think about you guys when I posted that at all. I was just talking to Levi as I didn't think he knew the 100% true story about what us Okies refer to as "The Henryetta Homo in the Hall of Fame".

[Machado]

It wasn't meant to be a burn at all to the Dallas fans I'm just retelling a 100% true story. I didn't even think about you guys when I posted that at all. I was just talking to Levi as I didn't think he knew the 100% true story about what us Okies refer to as "The Henryetta Homo in the Hall of Fame".

Redskins had their own trailblazer who played for the other team:
Jerry Smith

[UtahRatt]

Losing in the SB is equivalent to not even getting there.

So what you're saying is that losing the AFC/NFC Championship game is the same as losing it then? Okay.

Ask him if the Yankees making and losing a one game Wild Card is a big deal and considered the post season!

He practically shit his diapers when I said they didn't make the Post Season because they lost the one game Wild Card! It upset his tummy so bad he made several posts including bringing it up in the NFL thread to let everyone know the yankees making the Wild Card is a big deal and is the post season...But clearly the NFL Championship games are not.

Troll on!

So machado, the yankees making and LOSING a one game Wild Card is the post season and a big deal.....But winning the AFC/NFC Championship isn't?

Are you sure the Yankees did not make the post-season? I think you might be incorrect about that. Unless your definition of the post-season is unlike everybody else's. You should double check those details Utah.

Every time machado posts an emoticon I swear it makes a drip sound.

[UtahRatt]

It wasn't meant to be a burn at all to the Dallas fans I'm just retelling a 100% true story. I didn't even think about you guys when I posted that at all. I was just talking to Levi as I didn't think he knew the 100% true story about what us Okies refer to as "The Henryetta Homo in the Hall of Fame".

Redskins had their own trailblazer who played for the other team:
Jerry Smith

Jackie Smith?

[Machado]

It wasn't meant to be a burn at all to the Dallas fans I'm just retelling a 100% true story. I didn't even think about you guys when I posted that at all. I was just talking to Levi as I didn't think he knew the 100% true story about what us Okies refer to as "The Henryetta Homo in the Hall of Fame".

Redskins had their own trailblazer who played for the other team:
Jerry Smith

Jackie Smith?

Are we talking about Gays in the NFL that played on the Redskins
or Charlie's Angels














before you get your panties in a bunch, of course I know Jackie Smith
dropped a perfectly good TD pass in the SB vs Steelers

[Gritt]

What is so irritating about Matardo is he can't actually analyze the game or a player's performance. I'm sure he honestly believes that Aikman is a better quarterback than Jim Kelly or Dan Marino because he was gifted three rings.

[Machado]

What is so irritating about Matardo is he can't actually analyze the game or a player's performance. I'm sure he honestly believes that Aikman is a better quarterback than Jim Kelly or Dan Marino because he was gifted three rings.

Nitt-Gritt
This convo is above you. You don't have the proper pay grade to participate.
Go retreat back to the Lounge and write another soliloquy about how you know everything and are so negative 24/7

[UtahRatt]

What is so irritating about Matardo is he can't actually analyze the game or a player's performance. I'm sure he honestly believes that Aikman is a better quarterback than Jim Kelly or Dan Marino because he was gifted three rings.

Nitt-Gritt
This convo is above you. You don't have the proper pay grade to participate.
Go retreat back to the Lounge and write another soliloquy about how you know everything and are so negative 24/7

You wont answer the question because "I'm pretty sure" Aikman shimself has said Romo is better then he was.
Funny how Mr 3 Rings say's Mr Choke in big games is a better QB. Reverting back to SB don't mean you're good, it mean's your team is. With the exception that all of the Cowboy's players made a joke of Canton protesting him for his induction.

That's why Aikman is the least deserving person inducted into the HOF. His bust in Canton should have a sign saying, if Aikman played for Cleveland or any other team he wouldn't have won a division let alone a ring.

[Gritt]

Matardo will never answer a question head on because he knows that he talks out of his ass and can never back up his stuff with facts and numbers. He's shown it time and again.

[Bludegeon]

I think Aikman was good. I think he did really well in the post season too.

I also think he had a great team around him, but, he also help make those teams great.

Would he do as well with another team around him? Who knows? Would Rice? Montana? Smith?

All of these players were great. It's just the situation at the time. Marino was better than Aikman. Nothing wrong with admitting that. Kelly was a good QB as well. I feel sorry for him and his team. Just wasn't enough.

Completely disagree about him not good enough for the HOF.

[Machado]

Matardo will never answer a question head on because he knows that he talks out of his ass and can never back up his stuff with facts and numbers. He's shown it time and again.

You and Utah, the dynamic duo. Spitting out words that do not mean anything.
The two of you have an excuse for everything. Nothing is ever good enough. If a team won games, your excuse is well their opponent was weak. If a team beat a good opponent, you quickly criticize the achievement and blame the weather, or the stadium or the TV network that televised the game.
STFU already!

If this and if that and if he did this and if he did that. STFU with that pig latin.

You want facts huh? Where would you like to begin
Aikman was drafted as the franchise QB for Dallas. Only you 2 morons care about his sexuality. As if that life choice is supposed to take away from what he accomplished in Dallas.
E. Smith and Irvin made Troy better. Troy also made those players better.
Do you see where I am going here girls?

[UtahRatt]

Would he do as well with another team around him? Who knows? Would Rice? Montana? Smith?

Do you not remember? Pull up the Chiefs beating the Steve Young 49ers game on Monday Night in 92. A dead Montana at the end of his life in his last two seasons took weak KC team to the Playoffs and tore it up.

Which Smith because everyone thought Steve Smith would suck with the Ravens and he was a monster.

I know Smith would have been a great RB on most teams but no way he breaks all the records. As much as I hate to say it, that Dallas O-Line was one of the best ever. Smith without that line would have been a great back but come on, he wouldn't have been all world. Look at all his high lights, the holes are the size of trucks.
Tony Dorsett don't have the records but was a much better RB and a lot of writers agree with that.

Aikman on great teams, RB's, WR's with one of the best assembled O-Lines and look at his numbers! They're so mediocre.
Either way it's all debatable but if you remember the team Troy had and look at his numbers and you don't think he was so average. You're high.

Take those rings away and Troy makes Bernie Kosar look like Johnny Unitas.
How many rings did Warren Moon have, how many in their mind would take Troy over Warren.

Fact is, morons like machado act like Rings are the end all argument individual achievement without looking at the team. Great QB's like Dan Fouts and Warren Moon don't have rings but Average Troy Aikman is in the HOF because he has 3 and Troy only has a SUPER BOWL win because he was on a monster team with a HOF line, RB and WR. Not to mention great players like Moose and Novacek? To go with Irvin and Smith and that LINE? Tossing Troy in the HOF riding on the backs of those guys was lame.

HOF is about achievements, look at Troy's stats, honestly, tell me they're not below average given all the weapons he had. Any number of QB's could have got them. But how many players on those Dallas teams with 3 Rings are not in the HOF? Might as well toss in that special teams guy Dallas had, kicker and their back up RB's.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

[UtahRatt]

Hat's off to the 8-0 Beagles. If it wasn't for Adam Jones, the direst most pathetic classless player in the league up there with Hardy I'd totally support them into the SB. I like Cincy, picked them to win the North but with Adam Jones I'd rather watch them lose AGAIN in the playoffs.

I'd like to apologize to all Panther fans, easy schedule or not, they've been a great team and won all the games they had in front of them. If they beat the Packers it will be an interesting NFC race. This game should show what their defense is made of.

I've talked about these teams with weak schedules like Dallas while most of the NFL has turned into a battle of average teams. There's a lot more competition at the mediocre level.

Denver has had to pull a few games out of their ass vs shit teams but they keep winning, a great system and planning by beefing up the defense.

Arizona is a good team that can stumble from time to time just like I think Denver will. Actually I think all the teams can but scheduling is also making a number of teams look good. Like Atlanta did out of the gate. I think if the Falcons make some adjustments they'll be more consistent and have a chance but I doubt it. I keep expecting Ryan to make it to the next level and he keeps letting everyone down.

To me the big surprises are the Vikings playing solid ball.
Detroit is back to being the worst in the league.
Jameis Winston hasn't fucked up and been quietly playing good with all things considered.....Tampa with Jameis and 3w 4L already? More wins then Dallas. I didn't think Winston would finish the season let alone have more TD's then INT's....10TD's 7INT's. 1648yds and a respectable 7.85avg.

Jameis Winston, 10td's, 7int's, 1648yds, 7.85avg - Tampa 7 games
Joe Flacco, 10td's, 8int's, 2,176yds, 6.72avg - Ravens 8 games
Mat Ryan, 11td's, 7int's, 2,399yds, 7.69avg - Falcons 8 games

[dtmfs]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

I knew he had average numbers but damn, 165 career TD's? Marino probably hit that by 27, imagine Marino, Moon, or Fouts with that beast of a line and Smith in the backfield.

[UtahRatt]

Possible good games this week

Packers at Panthers - If the Packers don't destroy the Panthers I'm a believer
Rams at Vikings - I'm curious to see how the Rams D does in this one
Denver at Indy - under dog of the week pick.
Fish as Bills Tyrod Taylor is back, I like this Rook, he's had flashes.
Eagles as Dallas Dallas gets this one! You heard it here first.
Falcons at 49ers! I've got an ugly feeling about this one, Gabbert time! JK

Oakland as Pittsburgh - If Oakland wins they'll prove me something and prove me wrong. The Raiders have won the last two meetings vs the Steeler's but not this week in Three Rivers. Oakland's secondary gets torched. Heath Miller, the Raiders can't cover TE's and the world knows it.


Stat of the week. 49er's Blaine Gabbert 5wins 24loses, one 303yd game and has only thrown over 200yds 7 times in 29 games.

[Bludegeon]

Would he do as well with another team around him? Who knows? Would Rice? Montana? Smith?

Do you not remember? Pull up the Chiefs beating the Steve Young 49ers game on Monday Night in 92. A dead Montana at the end of his life in his last two seasons took weak KC team to the Playoffs and tore it up.

Which Smith because everyone thought Steve Smith would suck with the Ravens and he was a monster.

I know Smith would have been a great RB on most teams but no way he breaks all the records. As much as I hate to say it, that Dallas O-Line was one of the best ever. Smith without that line would have been a great back but come on, he wouldn't have been all world. Look at all his high lights, the holes are the size of trucks.
Tony Dorsett don't have the records but was a much better RB and a lot of writers agree with that.

Aikman on great teams, RB's, WR's with one of the best assembled O-Lines and look at his numbers! They're so mediocre.
Either way it's all debatable but if you remember the team Troy had and look at his numbers and you don't think he was so average. You're high.

Take those rings away and Troy makes Bernie Kosar look like Johnny Unitas.
How many rings did Warren Moon have, how many in their mind would take Troy over Warren.

Fact is, morons like machado act like Rings are the end all argument individual achievement without looking at the team. Great QB's like Dan Fouts and Warren Moon don't have rings but Average Troy Aikman is in the HOF because he has 3 and Troy only has a SUPER BOWL win because he was on a monster team with a HOF line, RB and WR. Not to mention great players like Moose and Novacek? To go with Irvin and Smith and that LINE? Tossing Troy in the HOF riding on the backs of those guys was lame.

HOF is about achievements, look at Troy's stats, honestly, tell me they're not below average given all the weapons he had. Any number of QB's could have got them. But how many players on those Dallas teams with 3 Rings are not in the HOF? Might as well toss in that special teams guy Dallas had, kicker and their back up RB's.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

All good points. Aikman doesn't have huge numbers because of the fact of what you stated. This huge HOF O-line that was GREAT every year.. LOL. No, from a time from 91-93. That O-line was great. Also, other RB's ran behind that line and didn't have the success Emmitt did. Like I stated in my other post. I think it was just that magic in the bottle for the Cowboys at that time. They didn't throw a lot, they didn't need too. Romo has mass numbers.. Ya think he would take his team winning a Super Bowl over being better than Aikman, statwise? Yeah, I think he would.

Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to be a blind homer here. I know there are better qbs than Aikman. One is still playing right now for NE..

I just think the whole "if" shit is just that, shit. If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. Even when Emmitt got to Dallas, Dallas still sucked. First few years Aikman got the shit beat outta him. What I like best about Aikman was his composure and professionalism. I never watched a game wondering when Aikman was gonna be a key part to them losing. As I have with Romo. LOL.. That's not to say Aikman didn't shit the bed at times in games. I just never expected it.

Everyone can play the IF game. The players were put into the situations by others. They are either successful, or not. Adrian Peterson on the Vikings sucks. That guy is a great RB and he will probably never sniff a championship.. Be great to see how he would do on a successful team, but, ain't gonna happen.

There are way better players that some of the Cowboys that have won Super Bowls, no doubt. If I were playing, I would want to play for the team win and Super Bowls. HOF would be great too, but, the HOF is more than just stats. I think they judge on a player's whole career, inside of football and out.


Dallas over the Eagles? C'mon Utah.. Stop sniffing the Machado glue man!!!. hahahaha

[UtahRatt]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

I knew he had average numbers but damn, 165 career TD's? Marino probably hit that by 27, imagine Marino, Moon, or Fouts with that beast of a line and Smith in the backfield.

Troy Aikman - 12 year career avg - 14tds 12int's a year. 165games 2,745yds a year avg, QBR 81.6
Troy Aikman - best year 23tds, 14ints, 3,445yds - Only year above 20tds.



2015 - Philip Rivers - 8 games, 20td's 6int's 2,753
2015 - Carson Palmer - 8 games, 20td's 6int's 2,386yds
2015 - Brian Hoyer - 6 games, 13td's 3int's 1,581yds

[UtahRatt]

Dallas over the Eagles? C'mon Utah.. Stop sniffing the Machado glue man!!!. hahahaha

It's a division game and anything can happen in the mess they call the NFC East. If I was forced at gun point I'd easily pick the Eagles, under sound mind I wouldn't bet on any team in that division. They're all terrible. They're due for an upset. If they can over come 2INT's and take advantage of 1 or 2 turnovers from the eagles they might have a shot. The D has played a few good games, just throwing it out there.
No I don't think Dallas will win, that's why it's called a possible upset.


That's my deal with Troy Aikman, he didn't get there, he was totally average on a great team. Dilfer didn't get to and win the SB, that defense did but you wont see Dilfer in the HOF even tho Trent and Troy have similar numbers while Trent spent most of his days on shitty teams.

Not just the great O-line, Smith and Irivin. Smith and Aikman was working behind one of the best blocking and all around FB and TE's in the game with Novacek and Moose.

Moose should should be in the HOF not Troy. It was all the induction ceremony's and players that pushed Troy out the ass into the toilet of the HOF like a TacoBell burrito.

[Machado]

Would he do as well with another team around him? Who knows? Would Rice? Montana? Smith?

Do you not remember? Pull up the Chiefs beating the Steve Young 49ers game on Monday Night in 92. A dead Montana at the end of his life in his last two seasons took weak KC team to the Playoffs and tore it up.

Which Smith because everyone thought Steve Smith would suck with the Ravens and he was a monster.

I know Smith would have been a great RB on most teams but no way he breaks all the records. As much as I hate to say it, that Dallas O-Line was one of the best ever. Smith without that line would have been a great back but come on, he wouldn't have been all world. Look at all his high lights, the holes are the size of trucks.
Tony Dorsett don't have the records but was a much better RB and a lot of writers agree with that.

Aikman on great teams, RB's, WR's with one of the best assembled O-Lines and look at his numbers! They're so mediocre.
Either way it's all debatable but if you remember the team Troy had and look at his numbers and you don't think he was so average. You're high.

Take those rings away and Troy makes Bernie Kosar look like Johnny Unitas.
How many rings did Warren Moon have, how many in their mind would take Troy over Warren.

Fact is, morons like machado act like Rings are the end all argument individual achievement without looking at the team. Great QB's like Dan Fouts and Warren Moon don't have rings but Average Troy Aikman is in the HOF because he has 3 and Troy only has a SUPER BOWL win because he was on a monster team with a HOF line, RB and WR. Not to mention great players like Moose and Novacek? To go with Irvin and Smith and that LINE? Tossing Troy in the HOF riding on the backs of those guys was lame.

HOF is about achievements, look at Troy's stats, honestly, tell me they're not below average given all the weapons he had. Any number of QB's could have got them. But how many players on those Dallas teams with 3 Rings are not in the HOF? Might as well toss in that special teams guy Dallas had, kicker and their back up RB's.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

Damn you get dumber with each passing day. A player can have all the individual achievements, win all the MVP's, have the Passing records, but without the SB ring, all of those numbers do not mean anything.

Go ahead and say that Troy would not have won those rings without help. Are you a dunce? Why even say that? You might as well say something dumb like, Rice would not have been the best ever without Montana-DUH!

[Machado]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... kmTr00.htm

I knew he had average numbers but damn, 165 career TD's? Marino probably hit that by 27, imagine Marino, Moon, or Fouts with that beast of a line and Smith in the backfield.

Troy Aikman - 12 year career avg - 14tds 12int's a year. 165games 2,745yds a year avg, QBR 81.6
Troy Aikman - best year 23tds, 14ints, 3,445yds - Only year above 20tds.



2015 - Philip Rivers - 8 games, 20td's 6int's 2,753
2015 - Carson Palmer - 8 games, 20td's 6int's 2,386yds
2015 - Brian Hoyer - 6 games, 13td's 3int's 1,581yds

Utah, unfair to compare a QB from the 90's to QB's from today. Totally different game. Totally different style of offenses that are being played today.
20 years ago a defense that allowed about 240 yards might be considered great. In today's game a defense that allows about 350 is having a good day.
Go ahead and imagine everything you can about Fouts and Marino and Moon. Reality is they never won the SB. Sorry. Those are the facts and you don't want to accept that. Unclear why but get over it.