WTF wrote:I thought that the replay reviewers are not scabs. If that is true, how did they let the call stand last night?
That's another discussion.
You have to wonder if Seattle being the home team had any sort of
influence on the refs that were reviewing the play upstairs.
If the refs on the field missed that call, then everybody with knowledge of
the game assumed the refs upstairs would have overturned the play and made
the right call.
NO!!
More fuck-ups and screw ups and added embarrassment for the league
Crazy Levi wrote:Almost an afterthought in last night's scab gift INT/TD call....
The ignored offensive pass interference call on that last play.
I know it's a hail Mary...but he literally SHOVED the DB out of the way, throwing him about 5 feet. Never seen anything like that, ever.
Uh huh
Did you see the post-game coverage on ESPN? The booth invited a former ref to discuss the play along with Terico and Gruden.
The ref basically said on a play like this, anything goes and the refs concentrate of the ball and catch.
Even still, that was blatant offensive pass interference. All refs that were involved in the play should have thrown a flag and I bet the Seahawks would have accepted that to a man.
Not surprisingly, the NFL has upheld the ruling at the end of the game,
stands behind the refs for not overturing the ruling on the simultaneos catch
and states that the offensive pass interference previous to the catch was missed.
bonedog wrote:I let Facedown get the better of me
bonedog wrote:My first kid will be born when I am 47.
Facedown wrote:Not surprisingly, the NFL has upheld the ruling at the end of the game,
stands behind the refs for not overturing the ruling on the simultaneos catch
and states that the offensive pass interference previous to the catch was missed.
After 3 weeks the Bucs are known for "that team" that likes to play
hard during the victory formation.
What a nice rep that Schiano has carved out for himself
and his team. "We need to stop being known for the kneel-down play," Schiano said, via Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times. "We to start being known for winning games."
The real travisty of last nights game is how Pete Carroll can continue to let Wilson be the starting QB. The man freaks at the slightest hint of pressure and can't make a ten yard throw.
If Matt flynn had been in there the interception/catch would have never happened, because the score would have been GB 12 Seattle 24 at least.
WTF wrote:I thought that the replay reviewers are not scabs. If that is true, how did they let the call stand last night?
Possession is not reviewable.
What the fuck are you talking about?!
Just repeating what I heard on ESPN Radio. Guess they were wrong.
ETA: Found it:
Immediately after the play, ex-ref and current Monday Night Football referee analyst Gerry Austin said on ESPN that the play could not be overturned because simultaneous catches are unreviewable, by rule.
So there was no way they could have corrected the call with replay. When they went to the booth to "review" the play last night, they could only have called it a completion or an incompletion, not a completion or an interception.
This interpretation of the rules seems to be confirmed by Fox referee analyst Mike Pereira, who wrote about a similar play last year in Week 9:
"The rule regarding simultaneous possession states that joint possession of a loose ball belongs to the offensive team. But a simultaneous catch is not reviewable. Whomever the officials award the ball to is final.
This play was quickly reviewed, but the only thing that could be looked at by the replay official was whether the pass was incomplete. It was not incomplete; therefore, it had to remain as an interception."
But today people are challenging that.
Mike Florio of PFT wrote this morning:
"Make no mistake about it. This one could have been overturned. Rule 15, Section 9 makes the question of whether a pass was 'ruled complete/incomplete/intercepted' subject to replay review, with no exception for questions of simultaneous possession.
Yeah, we know the ESPN call says simultaneous possession can’t be reviewed by replay. We disagree. If it wasn’t reviewable by replay, it wouldn’t have been reviewed by replay. It was, so it is."
I'm at work so I can't post the link, but Yahoo Sports is reporting that over $300 MILLION changed hands in Vegas because of the controversial call at the end of the Seahawks/Packers game.
The Glantz-Culver line before the game had Green bay favored by 4 1/2 points. If the last play had been ruled an interception, the Packers would have won by 5 points.
If it ever comes out that any of these replacement refs had gambling and/or debt problems or shady connections, Goodell is fucked...and not in a good way.
"Moving on, is a simple thing...what it leaves behind is hard. You know the sleeping feel no more pain...and the living all are scarred." -- Megadeth's "A Tout Le Monde"
In hindsight, I think the whole situation last night was vastly overblown. The call on the field could have gone either way. It's a judgement call. You can clearly make a case for simultaneous possession, which would mean the call was correct. Both players had their hands on the ball when they went to the ground, that much is a fact. Some would interpret that as simultaneous possession.
The play was reviewed, not by a replacement, but by a regular NFL replay official, who ruled there wasn't sufficient evidence to overturn the call. I agree with that, because like I said, you could make a case for simultaneous possession. You could also make a case that Jennings had the ball first, thus making it an interception. Either way, the video evidence is inconclusive, so you have to go with what was called on the field.
The only call that was clearly missed was the offensive P.I., which obviously isn't reviewable. But let's not forget, pass interference is rarely called on a Hail Mary, even by the regular refs.
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poizond13 wrote:In hindsight, I think the whole situation last night was vastly overblown.
Wrong.
Levy, why don't you just admit this isn't about football for you? It's about politics and your desire to see a union prevail at all costs. I can't argue against someone like that because you're going to side with the refs and the union no matter what. You're so disillusioned that you honestly believe the refs should get a huge raise while not having to face any kind of evaluation or discipline for poor performance. I wonder if that kind of thing would fly at ANY job? Not even the NFL players get that kind of deal.
I just want to see the game improved, so I see the situation from a balanced perspective. I see that both sides have valid points, and eventually this negotiation will be settled. I'm not like you, who will pull for the refs/union no matter what, regardless of what the actual issues are, and refuse to admit that the league actually has some valid points.
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poizond13 wrote:In hindsight, I think the whole situation last night was vastly overblown.
Wrong.
Levy, why don't you just admit this isn't about football for you? It's about politics and your desire to see a union prevail at all costs. I can't argue against someone like that because you're going to side with the refs and the union no matter what. You're so disillusioned that you honestly believe the refs should get a huge raise while not having to face any kind of evaluation or discipline for poor performance. I wonder if that kind of thing would fly at ANY job? Not even the NFL players get that kind of deal.
I just want to see the game improved, so I see the situation from a balanced perspective. I see that both sides have valid points, and eventually this negotiation will be settled. I'm not like you, who will pull for the refs/union no matter what, regardless of what the actual issues are, and refuse to admit that the league actually has some valid points.
Yeah, so, in the meantime the sport and the fans suffer due to the incompetent dolts that are posing as refs. The real refs do and will continue to make mistakes, everybody does it, shit happens. But nowhere near the magnitude (there's always a few...VERY few exceptions, in comparison) of what is happening now. Making the wrong call is one thing, but piss poor clock management and not even knowing where to place the ball or figuring out how many yards to penalize or giving a team an extra down or two...my God. How the fuck is THIS improving the game?! Some of these guys got kicked out of THE LINGERIE LEAGUE, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!
bane wrote:Denver's Joe Mays gets one game suspension for his hit on Schaub.
Which hit? Dudes a fucking monster, both hits would have been a great blast 15 years ago. Mays is somebody to watch out for and I hate the donkey's.
The one where it knocked Schaub's helmet off and took off a bit of his ear. I knew right away Mays would get a vacation. Schaub's a gamer, though. Came right back out after one play.
Speaking of helmets...anyone notice a large amount of helmets rolling around on the field this weekend?! Guys ain't tightening them enough, or they're too big for their melons. And they worry about concussions...!
May's hit was illegal 50 years ago. Never have you been able to lead with your helmet and spear a guy. That was never legal. That may have been the biggest cheap shot since that packers dlineman late hit Jim McMahon in the 80s.
That hit was so blatant that even the scab ref threw the flag so fast it hit the ground before Schaub did. 1 game suspension? Schaub lost part of his ear!
NeverSurrender wrote:May's hit was illegal 50 years ago. Never have you been able to lead with your helmet and spear a guy. That was never legal. That may have been the biggest cheap shot since that packers dlineman late hit Jim McMahon in the 80s.
Yep. It was as cheap as they come. The play before where Miller drove him into the ground after the ball was released did more damage though. Schaub's got a sore non throwing shoulder. He can play without a chunk of ear. Fucking Broncos. I hope those douchebags go 0 for the rest of the year.
Schaub's a gamer, though. Came right back out after one play.
Schaub lost part of his ear!