The NFL Thread

[bane]

In hindsight, I think the whole situation last night was vastly overblown.

Wrong.

Agreed. It cost the Packers a game. I do agree that the league has a valid stance with their end of the negotiation, but that doesnt change the fact that the Packers got screwed by the worst call, and non call on the push off, I've ever seen.

[johnk5150]

Apparently the real refs are working this weekend. According to Mortenson.

[Crazy Levi]

Apparently the real refs are working this weekend. According to Mortenson.

Yeah that seems to be the case.

I hope we get one more Scab Bowl on Thursday, just for fun.

[Machado]

Apparently the real refs are working this weekend. According to Mortenson.

I heard a report on ESPN yesterday that said
the NFL offices received 70,000 voice-mails calls after the
debacle in Seattle.

I don't know about you, but to me that is a lot of phone calls from
NFL fans.

[Crazy Levi]

Even Mitt and Romney - those dedicated, pro-worker union activists - are anti scab!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... tions-2012

[johnk5150]

Even Mitt and Romney - those dedicated, pro-worker union activists - are anti scab!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... tions-2012

Romney couldn't even convey Ryan's disappointment in Monday's game without sounding like an asshole.

I think he's a robot.

[WTF]

This scab ref debacle has all the makings of a great comedy movie.

[Facedown]

You can clearly make a case for simultaneous possession, which would mean the call was correct. Both players had their hands on the ball when they went to the ground, that much is a fact. Some would interpret that as simultaneous possession.

Sport Science (no video online yet) just did a detailed breakdown of the play and stated that there was no way it was a simultaneous catch.
Moron.

[Facedown]

The play was reviewed, not by a replacement, but by a regular NFL replay official, who ruled there wasn't sufficient evidence to overturn the call. I agree with that

Who was that official again? Oh, that's right, it was Phil Luckett.
The same Phil Luckett who fucked up the Steelers-Lions coin toss game.
The same Phil Luckett who failed to overrule the Jets-Seahawks Testaverde TD game. The same game that is credited with the reinstatement of instant replay the following year.
Moron.

[Crazy Levi]

The play was reviewed, not by a replacement, but by a regular NFL replay official, who ruled there wasn't sufficient evidence to overturn the call. I agree with that

Who was that official again? Oh, that's right, it was Phil Luckett.
The same Phil Luckett who fucked up the Steelers-Lions coin toss game.
The same Phil Luckett who failed to overrule the Jets-Seahawks Testaverde TD game. The same game that is credited with the reinstatement of instant replay the following year.
Moron.

Greeg is a moron. A case could be made that it was simultaneous possession - if the person making that case were clinically retarded.

As far as the replay official - yeah, that was a complete travesty as well. Keep in mind that Luckett, besides obviously being a terrible official, is management. I'm sure he's been pressured to back up the scabs whenever possible.

Regardless, it has no bearing on this case.

If you think the Monday night clusterfuck is "overblown", you are a retard.

If you think that the scabs - and incompetent management - didn't simply hand over the game to the Hawks, you are a retard.

If you think the NFL's "evaluation/benching" demands have anything to do with the integrity of the game, you are a retard.

If you are Greeg, P13, you are a retard.

[SkyDog112046]

The play was reviewed, not by a replacement, but by a regular NFL replay official, who ruled there wasn't sufficient evidence to overturn the call. I agree with that

Who was that official again? Oh, that's right, it was Phil Luckett.
The same Phil Luckett who fucked up the Steelers-Lions coin toss game.
The same Phil Luckett who failed to overrule the Jets-Seahawks Testaverde TD game. The same game that is credited with the reinstatement of instant replay the following year.
Moron.

Greeg is a moron. A case could be made that it was simultaneous possession - if the person making that case were clinically retarded.

As far as the replay official - yeah, that was a complete travesty as well. Keep in mind that Luckett, besides obviously being a terrible official, is management. I'm sure he's been pressured to back up the scabs whenever possible.

Regardless, it has no bearing on this case.

If you think the Monday night clusterfuck is "overblown", you are a retard.

If you think that the scabs - and incompetent management - didn't simply hand over the game to the Hawks, you are a retard.

If you think the NFL's "evaluation/benching" demands have anything to do with the integrity of the game, you are a retard.

If you are Greeg, P13, you are a retard.

The vast majority of NFL games are settled by one score or less. It only takes a couple of bad calls in a game to alter the outcome. Each game accounts for 1/16th of two team's seasons. The replacement refs have messed up almost every game they have officiated. A quick look at the standings looks like Bizarro World NFL. The season is one week away from the 1/4 mark. And knucklehead can't understand that the entire season is close to being compromised.

[Machado]

New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick has been fined $50,000 for "impermissible physical contact with an official" at the conclusion of Sunday's game against the Baltimore Ravens.
"It was inappropriate for me to contact the official," he said in the statement. "I take responsibility for what happened. I accept the discipline and I apologize for the incident Sunday night in Baltimore."


Pittsburgh Steelers safety Ryan Mundy was fined $21,000 for his hit on Oakland Raiders wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey

Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan has been fined $25,000 by the NFL for his actions at the end of the team's loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.

Shanahan was whistled for unsportsmanlike conduct for berating officials in the final seconds of the Redskins' 38-31 loss Sunday. He also confronted an official in a stadium tunnel after the game.

The son of head coach Mike Shanahan issued a written statement Monday vowing that such an incident "will never happen again." Kyle Shanahan did not apologize in the statement, and the Redskins for the second straight day declined requests that he speak to reporters.

[poizond13]

Glad to see the whole situation with the refs is finally over.

On to other business, Reggie Wayne is off to the best start of his career. Not bad considering Crazy Levy and several others said he was over the hill and wouldn't produce this year.

[sin]

So an agreement has been reached, obviously in some part due to Monday nights game. Now can we let the interception/catch go! I doubt that 1 game is going to have playoff ramifications on the playoff picture for Green Bay. If Seattle makes it and screws some team over by 1 game, its not the first time in recent years people have bitched about them making the play offs undeservingly.

[bane]

So an agreement has been reached, obviously in some part due to Monday nights game. Now can we let the interception/catch go! I doubt that 1 game is going to have playoff ramifications on the playoff picture for Green Bay. If Seattle makes it and screws some team over by 1 game, its not the first time in recent years people have bitched about them making the play offs undeservingly.

Errr, no. If Green Bay misses the playoffs by a game or Seatle makes it by one game people will have plenty to bitch about. Hopefully, it doesn't matter, but if it matters, it matters.

[NeverSurrender]

So an agreement has been reached, obviously in some part due to Monday nights game. Now can we let the interception/catch go! I doubt that 1 game is going to have playoff ramifications on the playoff picture for Green Bay. If Seattle makes it and screws some team over by 1 game, its not the first time in recent years people have bitched about them making the play offs undeservingly.

Errr, no. If Green Bay misses the playoffs by a game or Seatle makes it by one game people will have plenty to bitch about. Hopefully, it doesn't matter, but if it matters, it matters.

Come on, it wouldn't be the first time.
without this gift, the Giants wouldn't have won the Super Bwl, and another team would've made the playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjKWXPzILE

1986 Minnesota Vikings
1st year of replay and the final game we need to win against Houston. Wade Wilson throws a pass and it went right through the defenders hands and hit the ground. He picks it up and starts running. They review the play and give it to Houston. We lost that game and it caused us to miss the playoffs. Nobody cared and nobody remembers.

Only if it's Green bay, will they remember.

How about this? Steeelers, give back one of your rings:



Stop acting like this is the only bad call ever made.

[Facedown]

You can clearly make a case for simultaneous possession, which would mean the call was correct. Both players had their hands on the ball when they went to the ground, that much is a fact. Some would interpret that as simultaneous possession.

Sport Science (no video online yet) just did a detailed breakdown of the play and stated that there was no way it was a simultaneous catch.
Moron.

Here's what is out there so far.

Edit, this one is slightly longer but another recording of the tv.
Better with the ending.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7NuNIL07tE

[bane]

So an agreement has been reached, obviously in some part due to Monday nights game. Now can we let the interception/catch go! I doubt that 1 game is going to have playoff ramifications on the playoff picture for Green Bay. If Seattle makes it and screws some team over by 1 game, its not the first time in recent years people have bitched about them making the play offs undeservingly.

Errr, no. If Green Bay misses the playoffs by a game or Seatle makes it by one game people will have plenty to bitch about. Hopefully, it doesn't matter, but if it matters, it matters.

Come on, it wouldn't be the first time.
without this gift, the Giants wouldn't have won the Super Bwl, and another team would've made the playoffs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjKWXPzILE

1986 Minnesota Vikings
1st year of replay and the final game we need to win against Houston. Wade Wilson throws a pass and it went right through the defenders hands and hit the ground. He picks it up and starts running. They review the play and give it to Houston. We lost that game and it caused us to miss the playoffs. Nobody cared and nobody remembers.

Only if it's Green bay, will they remember.

How about this? Steeelers, give back one of your rings:



Stop acting like this is the only bad call ever made.

People will remember if it changes playoff berths this year and they'll bitch about it forever. The Renfro catch is still a topic of conversation around here from time to time and that happened 30 years ago. It's not the end of the world, but nobody is going to just forget about it if it has an impact.

[NeverSurrender]

They forgot about the Vikings in 86.

They forgot about whoever it was who got screwed over because the Gianst got that call. This shit happens. This is only overhyped because it was MNF, ESPN and The Packers. With scab refs. Wait until the first blown call by the real refs. Because it will happen.

[Crazy Levi]

They forgot about the Vikings in 86.

They forgot about whoever it was who got screwed over because the Gianst got that call. This shit happens. This is only overhyped because it was MNF, ESPN and The Packers. With scab refs. Wait until the first blown call by the real refs. Because it will happen.

You are going full P13 on this shit.

As a Redskins fan who has seen too many Skins/Cowboys games, I understand your hatred for the Packers, but you aren't being realistic here.

MNF was the worst call in NFL history, simple as that. Nobody should be happy about it, except for Seahawks fans I guess.

You've been in the scabs' corner the whole time, and I really don't understand it. Yes, the real refs will "blow calls," but that's not the point.

The scabs didn't even know the rules - not even close. They did not know what they were doing. You will NEVER see the real refs make such a clusterfuck call.

Lets' review, one more time for the world:

The Seahwaks guy pushes off - the most blatant, exaggerated, forcefull push off in history. He might as well have kicked him in the balls and Three Stooged him in the face. Then, the Packers guy catches it. Then, the Seahawks guy gets half of one hand on the ball.

One ref signals Timeout. The other signals Touchdown. Bedlam ensues.

You'll never see anything like THAT again, as long as the real refs are there.

It's nice that you hate the Packers , a little rivalry is healthy. And I understand it - they have won four Lombardi trophies, while the Vikings are 0-4 in the big game. But your hatred is skewing your view of this whole thing. You are making yourself look bad by continuing to play P13's advocate. You can "meathead" all you want but it's the truth.

There is NOTHING to celebrate about the MNF thing. It was a disaster for the entire league, and a black stain on this season that has yet to play itself out to the full.

[bane]

They forgot about the Vikings in 86.

They forgot about whoever it was who got screwed over because the Gianst got that call. This shit happens. This is only overhyped because it was MNF, ESPN and The Packers. With scab refs. Wait until the first blown call by the real refs. Because it will happen.

It's hyped because it was the last play of the game and the evidence is so overwhelming AND it was MNF and scab refs. It was a perfect storm of suck. I bet they show that footage on sports center 30 years from now when a similar situation happens again.

[NeverSurrender]

Oh, you can bet they will. I just can't wait until Packer nation tells me to "deal with it" the next time the refs fuck us over. After the way they acted, they can never say that again. I fully expect a makeup call sometime this season. You wait and see.

[Crazy Levi]

Oh, you can bet they will. I just can't wait until Packer nation tells me to "deal with it" the next time the refs fuck us over. After the way they acted, they can never say that again. I fully expect a makeup call sometime this season. You wait and see.

You sound like a beaten man.

It's not the refs fault the Vikings have never won a Super Bowl. It's not the Packers fault either. Shit happens. The world is not conspiring against you.

And there will be NO makeup calls. The refs don't give a shit about the scabs and won't be cleaning up after their mess.

Meathead.

[Machado]

You can clearly make a case for simultaneous possession, which would mean the call was correct. Both players had their hands on the ball when they went to the ground, that much is a fact. Some would interpret that as simultaneous possession.

Sport Science (no video online yet) just did a detailed breakdown of the play and stated that there was no way it was a simultaneous catch.
Moron.

Here's what is out there so far.

Edit, this one is slightly longer but another recording of the tv.
Better with the ending.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7NuNIL07tE

I saw this yesterday.
I enjoy the Sports Science segment. Good thinking on the part of ESPN to review this play with this segment.
The video says it all. There was no dual possession.

[bane]

Oh, you can bet they will. I just can't wait until Packer nation tells me to "deal with it" the next time the refs fuck us over. After the way they acted, they can never say that again. I fully expect a makeup call sometime this season. You wait and see.

I think if it wasn't one of your divisional rivals you'd be looking at this the same way most of the rest of us are.

[NeverSurrender]

Oh, you can bet they will. I just can't wait until Packer nation tells me to "deal with it" the next time the refs fuck us over. After the way they acted, they can never say that again. I fully expect a makeup call sometime this season. You wait and see.

I think if it wasn't one of your divisional rivals you'd be looking at this the same way most of the rest of us are.

I don't think the Lions or Bears deserve that. Both those teams are in my division. The Packers getting called for holding or pass interference is like Michael Jordan getting called for travelling. These scab refs sucked for everybody and played no favorites.

They can practice what they preach, and deal with it.

[johnk5150]

Oh, you can bet they will. I just can't wait until Packer nation tells me to "deal with it" the next time the refs fuck us over. After the way they acted, they can never say that again. I fully expect a makeup call sometime this season. You wait and see.

I think if it wasn't one of your divisional rivals you'd be looking at this the same way most of the rest of us are.

I don't think the Lions or Bears deserve that. Both those teams are in my division. The Packers getting called for holding or pass interference is like Michael Jordan getting called for travelling. These scab refs sucked for everybody and played no favorites.

They can practice what they preach, and deal with it.

I'm trying to remember if Jordan ever was ever whistled for travelling.

I still remember the look of 'you have to be fucking kidding me' the first time he fouled out.

I bet he had that ref killed. Or Stern did.

[bane]

Oh, you can bet they will. I just can't wait until Packer nation tells me to "deal with it" the next time the refs fuck us over. After the way they acted, they can never say that again. I fully expect a makeup call sometime this season. You wait and see.

I think if it wasn't one of your divisional rivals you'd be looking at this the same way most of the rest of us are.

I don't think the Lions or Bears deserve that. Both those teams are in my division. The Packers getting called for holding or pass interference is like Michael Jordan getting called for travelling. These scab refs sucked for everybody and played no favorites.

They can practice what they preach, and deal with it.

You're not biased at all.

[Machado]

Golden Tate now fully acknowledges getting away without a penalty on the controversial final play of the Seattle Seahawks' victory over the Green Bay Packers on Monday night but says the suggestion that he was trying to cheat is unfounded.

"A lot of people would just like for me to come out and say, 'I did not catch that ball,'" Tate said Wednesday, according to the Seattle Times, referring to the 24-yard touchdown reception he was credited with instead of an interception for Packers defensive back M.D. Jennings, who got his hands on the ball first.

After the game Monday night, Tate said, "I don't know what you're talking about," when ESPN sideline reporter Lisa Salters asked him whether he had pushed off against Packers defensive back Sam Shields.



"The evidence shows on the film. But I never had intentions on cheating. I wasn't trying to cheat. I was competing, it was in the moment," he said, according to the Seattle Times. "Things are happening so quick. I honestly didn't even notice I did. I didn't try to hurt him or push him down to the ground, but it happened. It was just a reaction kind of thing. ...

"As far as pushing the defender, I was caught up in the moment, playing football. At that point, it was just like backyard football -- find a way to get the ball. I didn't intentionally try to shove him to the ground," he said, according to the newspaper.

[sin]

It was the third game of the season. Green Bay acted like it was a play off loss. I think everyone agrees that the replacement refs made bad calls more so than the normal officials. BUT every fan here has probably called BS on the normal refs too.

But Green Bay has a coach that tells them to walk off the field. They talk about striking or taking a knee on every down at the next game.

For the record I don't hate the Packers. But I'm sure as we speak someone is penciling in the Packers vs Seattle at Lambeau field for next year.