NFL 2011 Thread

[johnk5150]

I know it's just preseason, but Houston looks GOOD. Fuck Indy. Peyton or not, as long as nobody integral goes down, they're gonna kick the AFC South's ass. I really hope Peyton shows up ready to go so the P13's of the world can't blame his injury for the beatdown Houston is going to give them. That team will win the division and scare the fuck out of everybody else in the conference. I've never really jumped on board with a team this early before, but I'm feeling supremely confident this year. The Texans are going to wreak some havok.

I think that Houston will win the South. TN had a coaching change and is dealing with a major contract issue. Indy will not start the season with a healthy Manning and could be 1-4 to start. Jax isn't an elite team but they can grind out wins. But Houston still needs to prove they can win games in November and December - they've gone 7-12 during those months the past 2 seasons. If that defense can just be average that offense should win enough games to finally win the division.

Tennessee sucks and still beat Chicago. Caleb Hanie is a douche.

[Redman77]

I was at the Lions/Pats game Saturday night & watch the Lions Dline beat the shit out of Brady. I have hopes for this season.

[johnk5150]

I was at the Lions/Pats game Saturday night & watch the Lions Dline beat the shit out of Brady. I have hopes for this season.

That front four frightens me.

[Redman77]

Fairly hasn't even been in there yet. Unfortunately, I think they showed how to beat the Lions D. Quick little dump passes & get your receivers into the LB's & DB's.

[johnk5150]

Fairly hasn't even been in there yet. Unfortunately, I think they showed how to beat the Lions D. Quick little dump passes & get your receivers into the LB's & DB's.

Mike Martz doesn't know the meaning of anything not seven step. Cutler will be killed this season. Whether it's the Lions doing the killing or someone else, Martz adjusts for shit.

[bane]

I was at the Lions/Pats game Saturday night & watch the Lions Dline beat the shit out of Brady. I have hopes for this season.

You should. That D looks scary.

[bane]

I think that Houston will win the South. TN had a coaching change and is dealing with a major contract issue. Indy will not start the season with a healthy Manning and could be 1-4 to start. Jax isn't an elite team but they can grind out wins. But Houston still needs to prove they can win games in November and December - they've gone 7-12 during those months the past 2 seasons. If that defense can just be average that offense should win enough games to finally win the division.

The defense is the key. I think they'll be a better than average defense this year, which should be enough. The offense will be as good as ever, but this is the first real defense they've had since Capers was here. It's tough to win down the stretch when you can't stop anybody, but they seem to finally have that corrected.

[ParaDime77]

I was at the Lions/Pats game Saturday night & watch the Lions Dline beat the shit out of Brady. I have hopes for this season.

You should. That D looks scary.

This. Tom looked like he wanted out and fast. I predict that they'll shelve at least 2 QB's this season. Fun to watch!

[SkyDog112046]

Indy activated Manning from the physically unable to perform list. He is going to "participate in practice on a limited basis".

I still don't think he'll be ready to go for week 1 and Indy would be crazy to rush him back and risk losing him for the season.

[bane]

Indy activated Manning from the physically unable to perform list. He is going to "participate in practice on a limited basis".

I still don't think he'll be ready to go for week 1 and Indy would be crazy to rush him back and risk losing him for the season.

I don't see any chance that he's ready in two weeks, but I bet he'll play anyway. Even a rusty Manning is a huge upgrade over anybody else on their roster. I expect him to have a slow start like he did with the bursa thing, but he'll be same old 18 by game 5 or so.

[NeverSurrender]

just because the Colts are worse off withoiut manning than the Pats without Brady, doesn't mean the Pats are 'just fine' without Brady. I'm guessing Bellicheat wasn't 'just fine' with winning 11 games.


And i don't care if Reggie White rises form the dead, and makes the Lions D-Line even better (even though they've proven nothing yet) they will still get passed and ran all over with that college level back 7.


And I was quite please with how my Vikes looked the other night. peterson look to be a beast again, and our D should be back to normal. It's all about how the o-line plays for us though.

[bane]

Who said anything about them being "just fine"?

[NeverSurrender]

He's also crazy because he thinks NE is just fine without Brady? Dude they missed the playoffs the one year he got hurt.

You conveniently left out the fact that the Patriots won 11 games with Matt Cassel in 2008 becoming the first 11 win AFC team since 1990 to miss the playoffs.

This. "Function relatively well" is not the same thing as "just fine". I wasn't knocking Brady, but 11 wins is 11 wins. Indy has no chance of duplicating that feat without #18. I know they were really banged up, but they only got 10 with him last year.

I'm sorry, i misstook you for saying the Pats would be just fine, but to me relatively well is fine.

I do agree though that's the Colts will be lost without manning. If he's out the whole season, no way they win 11 games.

[SkyDog112046]

And i don't care if Reggie White rises form the dead, and makes the Lions D-Line even better (even though they've proven nothing yet) they will still get passed and ran all over with that college level back 7.


And I was quite please with how my Vikes looked the other night. peterson look to be a beast again, and our D should be back to normal. It's all about how the o-line plays for us though.

D-back is a reactive position, and all but the elite ones will get beat if the receiver has enough time to adjust their route and create separation. There are probably a half dozen D-backs in the league that can stay with a receiver all day. Most back 7's are effective because the D-line got penetration and forced the QB to get the ball out before the receivers could separate from their defenders. A great pass rush will make even a mediocre backfield look decent.

Detroit's D-line is going to force opposing QBs to get rid of the ball before their receivers can finish their routes. I think we'll see a lot of screens and dump offs over the middle, and maybe some quick sideline routes. Delayed draws might catch them after they have overcommited. Once the short stuff becomes a pattern Detroit's backs can move up and take those routes away. They won't have to worry about deep routes from QBs who are laying on their backs 4 or 5 seconds after they take the snap. If Stafford stays healthy the Lions should be a playoff team.

[NeverSurrender]

You're on fucking crack. The Lions d-line had proven NOTHING yet. And we all know they're back 7 blows, maybe the worst in the NFL, and has for years.

I'm not going to say they won't make the playoffs, but to act like it's a sure thing is ridiculousness.

[SkyDog112046]

You're on fucking crack. The Lions d-line had proven NOTHING yet. And we all know they're back 7 blows, maybe the worst in the NFL, and has for years.

I'm not going to say they won't make the playoffs, but to act like it's a sure thing is ridiculousness.

The D-line was very good last year and should be even better this year, and history shows that a dominant front 4 can make a mediocre secondary effective enough for a team to win. I said if Stafford stays healthy they SHOULD be a playoff team, I never said that they are SB contenders.

[NeverSurrender]

Their D-line was improved and Suh was fantastic.

If their line was so great they wouldn't have had to draft another lineman this draft. You're buying into the media hype like you always do. Once again, there are 11 players on a starting defense in the NFL. The lions have 3 dudes who would start on anybody else's team, and that's being generous.

And Stafford hasn't done shit either. The love for him reminds me of the love for Grossman when he couldn't stay healthy either. As soon he could sray healthy, he sucked. Of cousre, let me say that I think Stafford will be better than Grossman, but he will have to prove it to me, i don't care what ESPn says.

[SkyDog112046]

Their D-line was improved and Suh was fantastic.

If their line was so great they wouldn't have had to draft another lineman this draft. You're buying into the media hype like you always do. Once again, there are 11 players on a starting defense in the NFL. The lions have 3 dudes who would start on anybody else's team, and that's being generous.

And Stafford hasn't done shit either. The love for him reminds me of the love for Grossman when he couldn't stay healthy either. As soon he could sray healthy, he sucked. Of cousre, let me say that I think Stafford will be better than Grossman, but he will have to prove it to me, i don't care what ESPn says.

It's got nothing to do with hype. Right now Detroit has what should be the best D-line in the league. They didn't draft a lineman out of need, they drafted one because they were in the position to do so and make their line dominant.

Football is won in the trenches. If you have your choice between a dominant D-line or dominant D-backs you take the line every time because the line can make everyone around them better while the best the backs can do is partially cover up for a lack of a pass rush.

Stafford has looked good when healthy while Grossman was streaky. Stafford doesn't have to be a Pro Bowl QB, he just has to be better than average. Which he appears to be.

[NeverSurrender]

Stafford has barely played just like rex barely played at all. My point being neither one ever did shit to desreve all the hype.

It's got nothing to do with hype. Right now Detroit has what should be the best D-line in the league. They didn't draft a lineman out of need, they drafted one because they were in the position to do so and make their line dominant.

Yeah, because they would've still been great with Turk McBride as their starter. wait, they're not great with Fairley yet, much less without him. they still got to prove it to me, and i think theie d-line will be great, I also think their back 7 is putrid, and it is.

Like I said, time will tell, but if you think 4v guys make a defense, you really are on crack.

[johnk5150]

It's got nothing to do with hype. Right now Detroit has what should be the best D-line in the league.

Wanna gamble on who has more sacks and is better against the run between Chicago and Detroit?

[johnk5150]

[quote="NeverSurrender"]Stafford has barely played just like rex barely played at all. My point being neither one ever did shit to desreve all the hype.

[quote]

Grossman started a Super Bowl.

[NeverSurrender]

Stafford has barely played just like rex barely played at all. My point being neither one ever did shit to desreve all the hype.

Grossman started a Super Bowl.

I'm talking about after he got hurt against the Vikes before he ever really even played and everybody acted like the Bears would rule once he was healthy. and the Bears made the super bowl in spite if the streaky fuckstick.

[johnk5150]

I'm talking about after he got hurt against the Vikes before he ever really even played and everybody acted like the Bears would rule once he was healthy. and the Bears made the super bowl in spite if the streaky fuckstick.

Who's this everyone of which you speak? Grossman was hated here.

The Bears made the Super Bowl because defense and special teams are 2/3 of the game.

[NeverSurrender]

I meant the national media. It was always when Rex gets back they will be fine. That's how stafford is. he's done nothing yet the media acts like if he stays healthy the Lions will be amazing. That might be true, but i usually wait until they prove it to talk like that.

[Tommy]

Mike Vick signed a 6 year $100 million contract.

Good for him, bad for Philly.

[Crazy Levi]

Grossman started a Super Bowl.

And will surely be starting another one soon for the Redskins.

[Tenacious_Dio]

So when Peyton retires, is the whole Pats/Colts rivalry dead? I think so.

[cantstopthemusic]

Mike Vick signed a 6 year $100 million contract.

Just think how many dogs you could buy with that kinda lettuce.

[johnk5150]

Mike Vick signed a 6 year $100 million contract.

Just think how many dogs you could buy with that kinda lettuce.

I was thinking when I heard this this morning. Is Vick the only athlete to sign 2 100 Mil contracts?

[chungasrevenge]

So when Peyton retires, is the whole Pats/Colts rivalry dead? I think so.

When Brady and Peyton retire not only will the rivalry end, but half of both fanbases will probably lose interest. Golden years for both franchises never to duplicated. Well the Colts less so.